ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #8

[bessie]

Yourself or other sleuthers may recognise the following:



I wonder though if there is a possible conflict of interest around all these "coincidences" and whether it had any bearing on the (whole) investigation being handed over to the FBI?

The whole investigation was not handed over to the FBI. Unless I've missed a report, the sheriff's office is still the lead on the investigation. FBI, as is often the case, came in to assist, and is processing evidence. That's not out of the norm.

 

[rkf]

Yes, and the PI also indicated that he knew Deorr Sr prior to this and then went on to say things like he wouldn't do something to him, the boy was his life, and so on...so I wonder how much that affects his judgment about the parents in this case.

Also, according to his web page, the PI's own children were kidnapped and missing for 2 years, and he located them, apparently alive, in Mexico. I am not sure if this was a parental abduction or a stranger abduction, but that experience probably also colors his views about the possibility of Deorr Jr. being abducted and still being alive.

He is presently completing a book about his years as a Deputy U. S. Marshal that involved the stopping a hijacking at the Los Angeles International Airport, making many high profile arrests and locating his two kidnapped children that were missing in Mexico for over two years. http://frankvilt.com/about/

The children were with their mother and he knew where they were the entire time. Thus, his experience with custodial abduction. JMO because I can't find the link where I read this.

 

[babyback]

Yes. GGP thought he followed the parents. But he did not follow them anywhere. So maybe he followed the fisherman?

Well, it's likely, actually in my mind much more than likely, more like probable. But, then where is DeOrr? If he's not in the water, then where?

 

[rkf]

GGP and the oxygen thing makes no sense to me. Here is why. AT SOME POINT you need electricity. Let me see if i can explain.. There is a large compressor for home use. This is plugged in and a 50 ft tubing with nasal "prongs" is attached. This allows you to move about your home. You get continuous oxygen from this compressor and no need to use a tank. On top of the compressor is another piece.. this is where you refill your portable tanks to take when you are going out. These tanks would last about 3 hours for continuous use give or take depending on how many liters per minute you have the gauge set for. Ok, with me so far? Insurance companies typically give you 2-3 refillable tanks. In order to refill them you need to have the compressor plugged in and then it takes several hours to refill the tanks. For around $3000 , you can purchase a small portable compressor that pulls the O2 out of the atmosphere and eliminates the need for the heavier portable tanks. This runs on a battery. The BATTERY needs to be recharged ~ every 24 hours... SO, you need electricity to recharge the battery. in either scenario.. you cannot be away from a source of power for longer than 9-24 hours depending on what you use as your oxygen delivery system. This is why when there is a power outage the people you see in the "shelters" first are those who are on oxygen. The shelters have a generator for electricity. So, 2+ hours from home.. using O2 on the trip to the campsite, no electricity.. how long can one go without refilling tanks( which have to be done at home) or recharging the battery? 9-24 hours. Unless he just takes a "whiff" now and then. This continuous O2 rumor is not valid. JMO

Could the compressor be charged from a vehicle? Why would ggp's daughter say he was on oxygen 24 hours/day if it wasn't true? Not a rhetorical question - trying to understand the incentive to make that statement if not the case. The only thing I can think is that the daughter wants to demonstrate that her father couldn't have been involved in whatever happened to little DeOrr. Anyone have other ideas? TIA

 

[TheTruthWillOut]

The whole investigation was not handed over to the FBI. Unless I've missed a report, the sheriff's office is still the lead on the investigation. FBI, as is often the case, came in to assist, and is processing evidence. That's not out of the norm.

I agree saying 'whole' was wrong but in effect the below link states everything was handed over.

http://www.kboi2.com/news/local/DeOrr-Kunz-Missing-Idaho-321484631.html

I accept they are still the lead investigators (the article above confirms searches are still on-going as of 11th Aug) and in effect are asking the FBI for a second opinion.

 

[kammiemc]

Well, it's likely, actually in my mind much more than likely, more like probable. But, then where is DeOrr? If he's not in the water, then where?

If IR was gone, along with DeOrr, when the parents returned, the parents must have immediately suspected that he did something to the boy. (I mean, this guy is something else.) I do wonder how the parents/family could keep themselves from letting on to their suspicions in the interview and elsewhere.

Depending on how long IR was gone "fishing" he could have jumped in the car and taken DeOrr anywhere.


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[babyback]

If IR was gone, along with DeOrr, when the parents returned, the parents must have immediately suspected that he did something to the boy. (I mean, this guy is something else.) I do wonder how the parents/family could keep themselves from letting on to their suspicions in the interview and elsewhere.

Depending on how long IR was gone "fishing" he could have jumped in the car and taken DeOrr anywhere.

Well let's think about this then. He would have needed to already have a plan, not hurt DeOrr so that there wouldn't be any blood trail. Come back to the campsite for the car truck or camper. Thinking out loud, forgive me.

 

[relay]

NOPe. They said he was a POI, is cooperating, and not a suspect. But IMO, that does not mean 'cleared.'

Thank you katydid. That is what I recall. LE stated he was a POI so that in itself indicates he has not been cleared.

 

[katydid23]

Well let's think about this then. He would have needed to already have a plan, not hurt DeOrr so that there wouldn't be any blood trail. Come back to the campsite for the car truck or camper. Thinking out loud, forgive me.

I don't know if he really needed a plan. Sometimes these perps just fly by the seat of their pants. And he may not have needed a car or camper at all if he found a good place to conceal the evidence. Searchers were not looking for concealed 'graves'--hidden under fallen tree trunks or beneath boulders etc. The wilderness is a vast place and a perp could hide something pretty well if they had a big headstart. JMO

 

[katydid23]

At the time of the parents' interview, they were not even acknowledging that anyone other than they, DeOrr and ggp were at the campsite. So it's hard to know if they also asked IR or if IR was with ggp when they returned.

IR may have been away from the campsite when the parents left. So it would not seem unusual to them if he was not there when they returned from their walk. But IR may have been the person who had the opportunity to stumble upon a little child wandering alone in the woods. imo.

 

[babyback]

Perhaps the reason that mom and dad didn't indicate that anyone else was at the campsite when DeOrr went missing, is because this so called friend wasn't there, he was fishing? But then I can't imagine that he would have been fishing in that little creek, more likely at the reservoir, and if that's the case, that's a pretty far piece for a 2 1/2 year old to wonder in those oversized boots.

I've felt from the beginning, that whoever took DeOrr, DeOrr knew well enough to not be afraid. He went willingly. JMHO

AND, with no evidence of those boots left behind, or the little match box truck, anyone who took him would be very careful not to leave any trace of those things behind.

 

[Onebest]

Sorry cant find original post but starfire wrote
"There is yet another one. That funeral home was the one in charge of the arrangements for the RSO's mother who died at the RSO's home in Leadore at the end of June."

Mercy.....

Does this mean this RSO was out spreading Mom's ashes the same time and same place that little Deoor disappeared? and is not considered a POI? Do we have any concrete information of said ash spreading RSO coming and going, do we know if anyone checked their vehicle, search the home?

I know we discussed the RSO not being a person of interest but I don't understand why NOT? if this all happened within the same time frame? Forgive me if I am missing information. Am trying to keep up.

 

[kammiemc]

At the time of the parents' interview, they were not even acknowledging that anyone other than they, DeOrr and ggp were at the campsite. So it's hard to know if they also asked IR or if IR was with ggp when they returned.

So bizarre. If IR was there with DeOrr when the parents left, why on earth wouldn't they mention that he was gone (as was DeOrr) when they returned? Why are they downplaying (not even acknowledging) his existence at the camp? The only possible reasons I can think of involve the parents not wanting the public pressing into what IR knows.


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[Deleted member 718]

The whole investigation was not handed over to the FBI. Unless I've missed a report, the sheriff's office is still the lead on the investigation. FBI, as is often the case, came in to assist, and is processing evidence. That's not out of the norm.

The title of this article certainly gives one that impression.

http://590kid.com/2015/08/12/fbi-takes-over-missing-toddler-case/

Posted on August 12, 2015 by Rich Intern

FBI Takes Over Missing Toddler Case

 

[kammiemc]

Perhaps the reason that mom and dad didn't indicate that anyone else was at the campsite when DeOrr went missing, is because this so called friend wasn't there, he was fishing? But then I can't imagine that he would have been fishing in that little creek, more likely at the reservoir, and if that's the case, that's a pretty far piece for a 2 1/2 year old to wonder in those oversized boots.

I've felt from the beginning, that whoever took DeOrr, DeOrr knew well enough to not be afraid. He went willingly. JMHO

AND, with no evidence of those boots left behind, or the little match box truck, anyone who took him would be very careful not to leave any trace of those things behind.

The thing is, IR said that DeOrr was left with him and ggp and then wandered off. He didn't say he wasn't there or was fishing. (Unless he said that at another time?) .Now, IR seemed out of mind when interviewed, so maybe he didn't even know what he was saying. Still, if your kid goes missing and that guy was part of the camping picture in any way, you'd think you'd mention that he had been there, no?


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[cobalt sky]

I too have been wondering about the exact day that the cremains were spread. A quick search shows the earliest reporting on the cremains was on July 17th:

"...Police divers have been methodically searching every square inch of the reservoir for the little boy after cadaver dogs indicated there may be something there. However, Lemhi County Sheriff Lynn Bowerman tells HLN they just learned that someone had been dumping human cremains in the reservoir, and that very well could be the smell the dogs picked up on.

“It’s pretty disappointing. Someone was depositing human cremains up there while we’re searching the area. It contaminates the reservoir and the entire area,” says Bowerman...."

(Red by me for emphasis)

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2015/07/17/deorr-kunz-missing-family-fear-abducted

I'm still looking around to see if there is something out there that gives an exact date of the cremains depositing...

ETA: From this article it sounds like the Sheriff wasn't even aware of the cremain incident until the 17th or shortly before? Or am I reading that wrong? That can't be right, it's crazy that nobody noticed the cremains being deposited DURING a busy search!

 

[babyback]

The thing is, IR said that DeOrr was left with him and ggp and then wandered off. He didn't say he wasn't there or was fishing. (Unless he said that at another time?) .Now, IR seemed out of mind when interviewed, so maybe he didn't even know what he was saying. Still, if your kid goes missing and that guy was part of the camping picture in any way, you'd think you'd mention that he had been there, no?

Oh I'm sure it was mentioned to the police if that's what happened, that he wasn't there at the time they went exploring. Dad just may not have mentioned it in interviews because he may have been told not to? JMO

 

[Deleted member 718]

http://www.hlntv.com/article/2015/07/17/deorr-kunz-missing-family-fear-abducted

"It’s pretty disappointing. Someone was depositing human cremains up there while we’re searching the area. It contaminates the reservoir and the entire area,” says Bowerman."

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/07/2...den-yield-no-clues-in-hunt-for-idaho-toddler/
"Cadaver dogs led law enforcement directly to the reservoir but Bowerman said unrelated cremated remains dumped into the water during the search likely prompted the canines' interest. A search of the reservoir using advanced sonar equipment yielded nothing, he said."


It's unbelievable that the Sheriff did nothing to secure the area of an ongoing search. And his choice of words "dumping cremains" seems so indelicate for an funeral home owner. Maybe that's why he shuns social media's speculation.

I'm glad the FBI in on the case.

 

[kammiemc]

IR may have been away from the campsite when the parents left. So it would not seem unusual to them if he was not there when they returned from their walk. But IR may have been the person who had the opportunity to stumble upon a little child wandering alone in the woods. imo.

I wonder why he would say that he was there with ggp when DeOrr wandered off. You'd think he'd prefer to distance himself, especially if he wasn't there. (Though, again, it's unclear whether he had awareness of what he saying.) Boy, this could be cleared up in a nanosecond if the parents or PI would just say who was there when they left and when they returned.


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[katydid23]

I wonder why he would say that he was there with ggp when DeOrr wandered off. You'd think he'd prefer to distance himself, especially if he wasn't there. (Though, again, it's unclear whether he had awareness of what he saying.) Boy, this could be cleared up in a nanosecond if the parents or PI would just say who was there when they left and when they returned.


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It was so odd that he first asked the reporter: " Have you talked the the GGP yet?"

That makes me think that he might have been away from camp when the parents left, then returned, and GGP saw him at that time. If he had gone to the creek to fish , imo, he would have quickly returned upon seeing how shallow it was. He may have stumbled into hi window of opportunity at that time. JMO