ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #8

[loreet]

I am so sorry to bring up the cremains again, but I have a few comments and a question:
This area is National Forest land, not National Park land. Rules are very different, less strict in the National Forest.
I would love to be scattered in a beautiful place when I am gone and this area is remote, so I don't think the location is odd at all but I do think the coincidental timing is.

Question: Can cremains be tested for DNA? It seems like a very obvious thing to do -- it doesn't clear anyone from suspect timing or misleading the search, but it seems like if it can be done, perhaps it should. Seems like there was a Columbo where some cremains were 'swapped out' with those of a murder victim.

 

[Retribution]

Wow. Let me get this straight in my head...

a LOCAL woman, who is a REGISTERED SEX OFFENDER, just lost her 75 year old Mother, who was staying with her in Leodore, on June 25th.

the cremains were scattered by a LOCAL WOMAN, AND PUT THE DOGS OFF THE TRAIL FOR FINDING DEOORS SCENT.

the local crematorium is owned/ran by Sheriff Lynn Bowerman and his wife.

They dealt with the RSO funeral/ cremation for her mother and obviously had easy access to cremains.

Sheriff.Lynn Bowerman is possibly a relative of Kunz.

all coincidences?..... Give me a break

 

[carbuff]

It was so odd that he first asked the reporter: " Have you talked the the GGP yet?"

That makes me think that he might have been away from camp when the parents left, then returned, and GGP saw him at that time. If he had gone to the creek to fish , imo, he would have quickly returned upon seeing how shallow it was. He may have stumbled into hi window of opportunity at that time. JMO

Small streams like that usually have large deep pools where fish, often very large fish, live.

 

[babyback]

"He was playing with Grandpa, he was going to be ok with Grandpa at the campfire" At the 8:49 mark of the interview. No mention of the friend being there.
[video=youtube;mwM1oG3z358]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mwM1oG3z358[/video]

 

[kammiemc]

Well let's think about this then. He would have needed to already have a plan, not hurt DeOrr so that there wouldn't be any blood trail. Come back to the campsite for the car truck or camper. Thinking out loud, forgive me.

Was IR for sure not at the campsite when the parents left. He said he WAS there. Sorry to keep harping on something that has probably been discussed ad nauseum. But it changes things a lot.

The only info that I know of at all is that he said he was there with ggp and DeOrr when the parents left. Have there been reports to the contrary?


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[babyback]

Was IR for sure not at the campsite when the parents left. He said he WAS there. Sorry to keep harping on something that has probably been discussed ad nauseum. But it changes things a lot.

The only info that I know of at all is that he said he was there with ggp and DeOrr when the parents left. Have there been reports to the contrary?

His answer was, um hum
[video=youtube;01DB2lqpWcs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01DB2lqpWcs[/video]

 

[kammiemc]

It was so odd that he first asked the reporter: " Have you talked the the GGP yet?"

That makes me think that he might have been away from camp when the parents left, then returned, and GGP saw him at that time. If he had gone to the creek to fish , imo, he would have quickly returned upon seeing how shallow it was. He may have stumbled into hi window of opportunity at that time. JMO

Ah, good point. I hadn't thought of the fact that he might have come back WHILE the parents were gone and then left again before they returned. I would still be crazy suspicious of him if he were in 20-mile radius of my child and he went missing. I would talk about it! (Unless LE told me to zip it.) I would be asking the public if they saw this guy during X-X time period. I'd put the PI on his tail.


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[bluesneakers]

When did the parents say they talked to DeOrr? All they said in the interview was that they thought DeOrr would be fine with grandpa by the campfire. DK never mentioned speaking to DeOrr. I'd love to see a link. If you don't mind!


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I read this as he spoke to him and said he would be good with Grandpa, but even if he hadn't spoken to him they saw him there before they left to explore, and if he was "playing with Grandpop" and not "near" or "by" him I think that means GGP saw him too.

DK: He, he was playing with . . .

JM: He was, yeah. He was with my grandfather

DK: He was playing with grandpop. He was over . . . he was getting ready for a nap. (??) It was almost, by that time it was almost two and he usually takes his nap. Um, we, we was just, yeah, we decided we were going to go a little exploring and he was going to be good with grandpa by the campfire. We weren't more than probably 50 . . .

It was the way he said "he was going to be good with grandpa" in the interview made me think he was speaking directly to Deorr, something about the tone of his voice and expression, and especially saying "good" like he was expecting him to behave. "You're going to be good for Grandpop." Like that. But it might have been they decided he would be okay with GGP and didn't say anything.

 

[rkf]

[FONT=&amp]Kevin Miller interviewing Nate (reporter) - Aug 12 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB1jNvgY-uk&feature=youtu.be

- Confirms they did take polygraph tests, but LE not giving results

- FBI searched their homes & vehicles & have their vehicles & homes returned to normal circumstances at this time (according to family)

- LE detectives talk to them everyday bringing them any updates or new conditions (according to family)

- No criminal records on the parents that they could find.

- Grandfather is elderly, on oxygen and has a few health issues, never been a suspect or anyone they are focusing on.

- Friend does have a few things in his criminal past, but police say he is co-operating as well.
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Wow! NE sounds exhausted!

1. "They don’t have any type of criminal backgrounds that we could find." I think NE means no felony convictions.
2. IR has "a few things in his past". I counted 7 sealed cases and 15 criminal charges, 8 dismissed on Motion of Prosecutor and 7 found guilty.
3. Two of Vilt's children were "kidnapped and held in Mexico". The children were with their mother and Vilt knew where they were the whole time. They were not "held in Mexico" by a gang of kidnappers.
4. Who grew up in Montpelier together? Vilt didn't move to Montpelier from California until 2011. His professional experience includes owning a small business (limousine company) 1991-2010, the US Marshalls 1971-1990 and Los Angeles Co. Sheriff's Dept. 1961-1971, all in California. He was born in Cleveland OH. http://votesmart.org/candidate/biography/137114/frank-vilt#.VcrILuhViko
5. Interesting that the parents contacted the PI and not the other way around.
6. "Haven’t found any evidence of him being up there." I've heard this said a number of times by different reporters, but I don't know if that means no evidence of him ever being up there or no evidence of him being up there now.
7. I still wish we knew when everyone took their polygraphs. If they went well, I think the PI would have mentioned that in his interview.
8. It's so odd to me that NE sounds frustrated that we have so little information, yet he's the only one who has interviewed them and he didn't ask any probing questions!

 

[katydid23]

His answer was, um hum
[video=youtube;01DB2lqpWcs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01DB2lqpWcs[/video]

And he said ' As Far A I Know...' <<<That is a red flag for me. When I worked in a high school I learned that when a kid is trying to 'lie' without getting in trouble, they say " Yeah, As Far As I Know..." :facepalm:

 

[babyback]

And he said ' As Far A I Know...' <<<That is a red flag for me. When I worked in a high school I learned that when a kid is trying to 'lie' without getting in trouble, they say " Yeah, As Far As I Know..." :facepalm:

"As far as I know", indicates to me that he doesn't know first hand.

 

[Deleted member 718]

July 27th, 2015
"Over the weekend, Reinwand was repeatedly identified as a sex offender with an extensive criminal history in online forums and on social media. However, police and court documents dispute that assertion. The Idaho State Repository shows Reinwand was charged with felony rape in 2006, but that charge was amended down to misdemeanor domestic battery.

Sheriff’s officials also have told EastIdahoNews.com Reinwand is not a sex offender.

“He does have a criminal record, however the police reports are not consistent with his record (and I’m) not sure why,” Bowerman said in the email.

Bowerman did not elaborate on the inconsistencies."

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/07/sheriff-family-friend-not-a-suspect-in-deorr-kunz-case/

 

[rkf]

Their PI thinks their son was abducted, that he could be anywhere in the country. Do they not agree with him? Is the PI being proactive, contacting the national media, and willing to be interviewed?

ETA: And okay maybe he is, and the media is still saying they aren't interested, then why wouldn't you say "Okay, the parents will talk too". Why not try a different approach? It just seems like the parents aren't putting forth 100%.

In the PI's interview with NE, after saying he thinks DeOrr was kidnapped and could be anywhere, Vilt says his advice to the parents was to cooperate fully and have hope - nothing about going on national television to get the child's photo and information out. He did talk about rumors being hurtful to the family, though.

 

[JadeSLeuth]

Pondering. The cremains tripped off the cadaver dogs. The scent dogs ... Would they have been thrown by it as well? They are two different scent skillsets, aren't they? Would be interesting to know if BOTH types of dogs were thrown off by the cremaims.

 

[rkf]

I thought you had posted another one earlier of a black flat bed truck, it was like the one out in front of the restaurant from 2008.

Yes. I've uploaded larger photos to my drop box for a while. You can see/download them at https://www.dropbox.com/sh/j8ml3hhagb5s7q6/AAAdT4VYc1b1IbuDlWsjzESRa?dl=0

 

[katydid23]

I read this as he spoke to him and said he would be good with Grandpa, but even if he hadn't spoken to him they saw him there before they left to explore, and if he was "playing with Grandpop" and not "near" or "by" him I think that means GGP saw him too.




It was the way he said "he was going to be good with grandpa" in the interview made me think he was speaking directly to Deorr, something about the tone of his voice and expression, and especially saying "good" like he was expecting him to behave. "You're going to be good for Grandpop." Like that. But it might have been they decided he would be okay with GGP and didn't say anything.

I got the feeling that they saw he was playing happily so they quietly took off. I am not sure they even told GGP what was going on because they didn't want the baby to make a fuss. And it was possibly a fatal mistake. :cry:

 

[Jules71]

I agree that it's perfectly normal. But, the coincidence of it happening in a place that remote at the exact same time as the search for a missing boy, is mind-boggling. That campsite is difficult to get to, has very light usage, and is not an overly popular place to camp (obviously they were the only ones there apparently). Stone Reservoir is tiny compared to most reservoirs around Idaho. It just can't be the absolute favorite camping/fishing spot for that many people, enough so that they'd want their ashes dumped there. The number of people who fit that category is extremely small, and for them to come at the exact same time and not notice, or even be aware of, the search for missing child - it's astronomically inconceivable. If it was a popular body of water, like Lake Cascade or Redfish Lake or Deadwood Reservoir, I wouldn't think so much of it. But, Stone Reservoir? Most people in Idaho haven't even heard of it. It's beyond strange. MOO.

ETA: I also cannot fathom that it was done to hinder the investigation. That would require so many things to happen - a supply of ashes, a person to spread them out, and some sort of pre-planning, etc. I cannot think that all that could be arranged in such a short amount of time. Nor do I think that whatever happened to Deorr was premeditated. But it has to be one of the strangest coincidences I have ever heard of!

ETA, part 2: Lynn Boweman and his wife own the mortuary in Salmon (which would serve Leadore since it's so small). Not sure that means anything, but it is kind of interesting. http://www.accessidaho.org/public/sos/corp/C145111.html

I did not know this and I find that very interesting. Almost as unbelievable as the scattering of ashes itself. (Still catching up.)



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[wondering25]

I found this on a websire that says this is the campsite. Take it for what it is worth.

 

[katydid23]

"As far as I know", indicates to me that he doesn't know first hand.

Right. And if he had been sitting right there with GGP, then he would have had 'first hand' knowledge that the child just disappeared. Which is what GGP reportedly has said. So it seems odd to me that IR distances himself from that answer by saying 'AFAIK. '

Wouldn't he have said 'we were sitting there and the boy was playing with his trucks, then suddenly he vanished.' That is GGP's version of events.

 

[babyback]

Yes. I've uploaded larger photos to my drop box for a while. You can see/download them at https://www.dropbox.com/sh/j8ml3hhagb5s7q6/AAAdT4VYc1b1IbuDlWsjzESRa?dl=0

What time was this picture number 3 taken of the black flatbed truck, and on what day? Sorry if this has been discussed and I missed it.