ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #8

[kammiemc]

I think dirty/filthy and crying/bawling may be interchangeable to some and filthy/bawling might be words more commonly used by the mom, which is all I'm saying. Actually, it would have been coming from the mother at least third hand, no? And during a time of emotional anguish I tend to doubt her ability to remember "exactly" what she was told as long as she got the general idea across. JMO

It's true about language differences. My parents and my brother's family live 2.5 hours up highway 93 from Leodore in a town in Montana that is probably not much bigger than Leodore, if at all. Very rural. (And beautiful.) But yelling is hollering. Dinner is supper. Co-yo-tes are Coy-otes. Maybe dirty is filthy? I guess we could surmise that the mom meant to say dirty and not filthy and just from now on say the clerk said dirty. If that would make everyone feel better, I'm up for it!

 

[kammiemc]

OR MAYBE the clerk got it right! There was a really filthy kid and a man with a black truck in her store at 6pm! LE must have thought it important enough to tell the family about this. jmo

Yes, this is true as well! I'm just trying to calm people down. Things get steamy real quick on WS!!!!!!!

ETA: One thing though. The parents gave this info to NE in response to him asking them about any rumors they wanted to clear up. So, I'm thinking this wasn't a fact given to them by LE. I think DK called it hearsay. (Although, I will say, I think this hearsay ended up not being very helpful for them to address, because they didn't provide any clarity or even directly refute anything.)

 

[IHAVENOCLUE]

Hi, everyone. I'm new to the forum, but I've been reading from the time little DeOrr went missing. I'm local to the area - meaning, I live in Boise (4 hours or 280 miles away from Idaho Falls which is where the parents are from). I will give a detailed post soon as to my impressions as a local. Glad to "officially" be here with an actual username and the ability to post!

:wagon: ConcernedCitizenID!

I am very interested in your view as someone that lives near there!

:seeya:

 

[renarde]

It's true about language differences. My parents and my brother's family live 2.5 hours up highway 93 from Leodore in a town in Montana that is probably not much bigger than Leodore, if at all. Very rural. (And beautiful.) But yelling is hollering. Dinner is supper. Co-yo-tes are Coy-otes. Maybe dirty is filthy? I guess we could surmise that the mom meant to say dirty and not filthy and just from now on say the clerk said dirty. If that would make everyone feel better, I'm up for it!

Are french fries still Jojos?

Filthy to me sounds worse than dirty. Especially when describing a little boy.

 

[kammiemc]

Are french fries still Jojos?

Filthy to me sounds worse than dirty. Especially when describing a little boy.

Haha. I don't think so. I've never heard "Do you want jojo's with that" at the local cafe/diner. I think they are up to date in the fried food lingo.

 

[TeaTime]

There is no reason that the clerk would make up a story about a blonde toddler, a man, a black pick-up truck and add that the child was filthy and bawling unless she saw all of this.

Unless she was trying to tie the 'sighting' into a "the child looked like he had been dragged through the forest and was screaming crying and it was AFTER the baby was reported missing". Why would she fabricate a story and add details that are coincidental to what one would think a child lost in the woods for a few hours would look like? Filthy and bawling. Odd yes. Suspicious at first glance. But, I looked at all the street shots posted here and there were 8-15 vehicles on the MAIN road per day. How many black pick-ups with filthy, screaming, blonde toddlers visit that lonesome store every day? I think such sightings are rare and memorable.

LE isn't interested in any abduction theory or so it seems. Therefore, I think when shown photos of DeOrr and his dad, the clerk said 'no, that is not the child I saw at 6pm'. It is the only thing that makes sense. Otherwise, there would be an Amber Alert and an massive abduction investigation.

 

[white rabbit]

or, the clerk was drunk. I'm being serious. I totally agree, teatime. but don't count out the human factor here. a stage shop clerk in the middle of Idaho could very well be a PHD in forensics...or dumb as a stump.

LE has never addressed this. DKsr did, in (modsnip) interview. we have no idea who was filthy or brawling. just the words of the parents, that it was a 'problem' regarding a black truck...

other than that, the store sighting is just as much a mystery as why the family chose an off-the-grid campsite with a two year old in clumsy cowboy boots unattended.

 

[Beezneez]

Haha. I don't think so. I've never heard "Do you want jojo's with that" at the local cafe/diner. I think they are up to date in the fried food lingo.

Folks, this is nothing if it isn't Tater Country... (I'm in SE Idaho). Jojos are jojos, or wedges. Fries are fries, tots are tots, all manner of potato related food product are called by their right name primarily because there are so many available to us that clarification is needed. If these people got their kiddo fries, then shoestring, fried, long skinny strips of deep fried potato are what they got him. If they had gotten any other form of fried potato they would've just said that. Also, as a reference back to a while ago, two year old kids are irrationally picky. If a kid likes skinny fries with no skin then thick cut fries with skin are going to be the end of the world. It's not a parenting thing, it's not an autism thing, it is a two year olds are testing their limits in all the ways kind of thing.

 

[kammiemc]

There is no reason that the clerk would make up a story about a blonde toddler, a man, a black pick-up truck and add that the child was filthy and bawling unless she saw all of this.

Unless she was trying to tie the 'sighting' into a "the child looked like he had been dragged through the forest and was screaming crying and it was AFTER the baby was reported missing". Why would she fabricate a story and add details that are coincidental to what one would think a child lost in the woods for a few hours would look like? Filthy and bawling. Odd yes. Suspicious at first glance. But, I looked at all the street shots posted here and there were 8-15 vehicles on the MAIN road per day. How many black pick-ups with filthy, screaming, blonde toddlers visit that lonesome store every day? I think such sightings are rare and memorable.

LE isn't interested in any abduction theory or so it seems. Therefore, I think when shown photos of DeOrr and his dad, the clerk said 'no, that is not the child I saw at 6pm'. It is the only thing that makes sense. Otherwise, there would be an Amber Alert and an massive abduction investigation.

I don't see any reason for her to lie unless her adrenaline was going and she was anxious to provide help--like when we think we see a little boy and monkey in a car window. From your post I can't tell what you are getting at. Do you think she never said such a thing and it's a false rumor? I think that is very possible. I got the feeling DK brought it up so that he had the opportunity to convince people that the family HAD been seen at the store (and that this gal just got the time wrong.)

 

[kammiemc]

or, the clerk was drunk. I'm being serious. I totally agree, teatime. but don't count out the human factor here. a stage shop clerk in the middle of Idaho could very well be a PHD in forensics...or dumb as a stump.

From Kammie:

OMG. I love the drunk theory! It's not totally farfetched. We have seen another few interviews in this case in which the interviewees seemed like they had been been partaking in something other than fresh air and water.

I apologize, I put my quote into yours. Trying to fix, but on phone!

 

[Beezneez]

Where is the thread of specific questions that have been compiled so far? I can't find it & don't have the time to search now. I'm going for drinks in an hour with some friends, a local news station broadcaster among them (Pocatello/Idaho Falls news). I'm certainly not going to hand them a printed list, but if the topic comes up I might be able to casually throw a few out there.
*And thank you in advance to whoever finds it! I tried looking but I don't use this site enough to know all of it's tricks & I need to do my hair.

 

[desert-blue]

Are french fries still Jojos?

My experience with jo-jos and french fries is that jo-jos are usually sold in the deli part of a grocery store and/or in gas stations/convenience stores. Jo-jos are thick cut potato wedges sometimes with a seasoning on them and usually they are pretty soft (not crispy like french fries). I'm not sure they are necessarily deep fried - I think they may just be baked (and thus why they are found in delis). French fries are served at restaurants and are almost always deep fried (I don't recall ever seeing jo-jos on a menu at a restaurant). That being said, I do think that the term french fries could apply to either actual french fries or to jo-jos. If I had gotten my kids jo-jos at a gas station and was later asked about it, I might say that we stopped for some french fries for the kids. The reverse is not true. If we stopped and got french fries, I would not later say we got jo-jos. That's my take. I was born and raised in Idaho for what it's worth. This is totally off-topic and I find it kind of amusing that I just typed out a paragraph about potatoes....

 

[Deleted member 718]

Folks, this is nothing if it isn't Tater Country... (I'm in SE Idaho). Jojos are jojos, or wedges. Fries are fries, tots are tots, all manner of potato related food product are called by their right name primarily because there are so many available to us that clarification is needed. If these people got their kiddo fries, then shoestring, fried, long skinny strips of deep fried potato are what they got him. If they had gotten any other form of fried potato they would've just said that. Also, as a reference back to a while ago, two year old kids are irrationally picky. If a kid likes skinny fries with no skin then thick cut fries with skin are going to be the end of the world. It's not a parenting thing, it's not an autism thing, it is a two year olds are testing their limits in all the ways kind of thing.

True that! Are Suzie Q's french fries? Just kidding!!

Anyway, it's their PI Vilt who brought the whole french fry thing up and he's from California. :blushing:

Let's add it to the list of things we wish the PI would clarify. The parents said he got a candy bar. The PI mentioned it was fries. Then we discussed which one Deorr would eat first. I went with fries. :happydance:


“When [the family] went into town the morning after they arrived, they picked a few groceries up and bought some French fries for DeOrr Jr.,” Vilt said

http://www.eastidahonews.com/2015/08/kunz-family-investigator-everything-points-to-an-abduction/

 

[babyback]

I'm not able to find a list of questions, has anyone else? I'm wondering if anyone has anything specific they would like to ask a reporter? Just thinking about Beezeneeze request.

1. Did anyone at either the Stage Stop or Silver Dollar Bar and Restaurant actually "SEE". or lay "EYES" on DeOrr, Jr?

 

[ConcernedCitizenID]

or, the clerk was drunk. I'm being serious. I totally agree, teatime. but don't count out the human factor here. a stage shop clerk in the middle of Idaho could very well be a PHD in forensics...or dumb as a stump.

LE has never addressed this. DKsr did, in a (modsnip) interview. we have no idea who was filthy or brawling. just the words of the parents, that it was a 'problem' regarding a black truck...

other than that, the store sighting is just as much a mystery as why the family chose an off-the-grid campsite with a two year old in clumsy cowboy boots unattended.

Being from the area (although I've never been to this particular campsite), the whole "off the grid" description of this place is way off the mark. I grew up in Idaho and to this day I go back country hiking/camping (this is truly off the grid - you can only get to these places by foot and/or horseback, NEVER with a car or any other motorized vehicle. There are many, many places like this in Idaho. It is very common.)

Let's have a look at the campground during the time the big search was taking place: http://assets.eastidahonews.com/wp-...0/11721172_10204584241709400_1086032804_n.jpg. According to everyone, does this look "off the grid" or difficult to get to? There is clearly a nice dirt driveway. Plus, notice the types of vehicles that are there. Everything from trucks, to an ambulance to regular passenger cars. Everyone should think about this when deciding whether or not to believe the RSO Stage Stop owner when she said it was a really bad road and no one would just go up there to take a kid. Oh really? As evidenced by this photo and the types of vehicles that showed up for the search, the road can't be that bad.

WHITE RABBIT - Please don't take this as my singling you out. Many have said this place is off the grid and so remote. I wanted to just demonstrate that to locals, this place is really quite accessible, and pretty cozy if you ask me. Heck, you can even drive your camper up here. Or, if you're really adventurous, bring a tent and sleep on the FLAT, comfortable ground. Oh, and there is a toilet. Ahhhhh, what I wouldn't have given for all of those luxurious amenities during my last 25 mile back country 2 night hiking trip in the nearby Sawtooth Mountain Range. ;-)

 

[skinnycat]

I'm not able to find a list of questions, has anyone else? I'm wondering if anyone has anything specific they would like to ask a reporter? Just thinking about Beezeneeze request.

I couldn't find them either

1. Timeline- when did they arrive
2. Vehicles-how many
3. IR-where was he when lil DeOrr went missing
4. GGP-did he know he was watching lil DeOrr, did anyone ever ask him to watch the little guy
5. Polygraph's who's taken them and who has passed

 

[kammiemc]

Good find.

Every travel blog I read mentions how friendly the people in Leadore are.

If it's anything like two and a half hours up the road, people wave to each other when passing in cars, at stop signs, drivers wave to pedestrians and vice versa. It always catches me off guard and it's very charming. (Not to say that rural towns don't have their fair share of weirdos.)

 

[babyback]

I'm not able to find a list of questions, has anyone else? I'm wondering if anyone has anything specific they would like to ask a reporter? Just thinking about Beezeneeze request.

1. Did anyone at either the Stage Stop or Silver Dollar Bar and Restaurant actually "SEE". or lay "EYES" on DeOrr, Jr?

2. Timeline- when did they arrive

3. Vehicles-how many

4. IR-where was he when lil DeOrr went missing

5. GGP-did he know he was watching lil DeOrr, did anyone ever ask him to watch the little guy

6. Polygraph's who's taken them and who has passed

7. Please ask the broadcaster why they think local Boise news really never reported on the story after the first week?

I will add anyone else's questions to this list.

 

[travelbug]

There is no reason that the clerk would make up a story about a blonde toddler, a man, a black pick-up truck and add that the child was filthy and bawling unless she saw all of this.

Unless she was trying to tie the 'sighting' into a "the child looked like he had been dragged through the forest and was screaming crying and it was AFTER the baby was reported missing". Why would she fabricate a story and add details that are coincidental to what one would think a child lost in the woods for a few hours would look like? Filthy and bawling. Odd yes. Suspicious at first glance. But, I looked at all the street shots posted here and there were 8-15 vehicles on the MAIN road per day. How many black pick-ups with filthy, screaming, blonde toddlers visit that lonesome store every day? I think such sightings are rare and memorable.

LE isn't interested in any abduction theory or so it seems. Therefore, I think when shown photos of DeOrr and his dad, the clerk said 'no, that is not the child I saw at 6pm'. It is the only thing that makes sense. Otherwise, there would be an Amber Alert and an massive abduction investigation.

BBM -Or she may have checked store receipts and found that she had the time wrong and it was DK Sr. and Jr. at the store around 1:00. That would be one reason why LE might question the parents about the sighting and then dismiss the abduction idea. :moo:

 

[ConcernedCitizenID]

Hey, Beezneez! I'm a local, but from Boise. Please ask the broadcaster why they think local Boise news really never reported on the story after the first week? I always thought that to be very strange. I mean, a 2 year old Idaho child vanishes and abduction is not suspected by LE and my local news only reports on it maybe twice with no updates since? Very strange. You'd think some investigative reporter would like to grab on to this story and get to the bottom of it.