ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #8

[kammiemc]

Actually why didn't they issue an Amber alert for the boy and man and black truck since as you say they know one was missing that fits that exact description? The clerk saw them and evidently told somebody so why didn't they Amber Alert that twosome???

Better safe than sorry as we are now!

I think you might be thinking of someone else's post. All I know is that the parents said it was a problem that the clerk said she saw a black truck. (But I don't even know what that means and I didn't even post anything about that.) I don't recall the parents saying anything about the rumor including the information that truck she saw was just like DK's, if that's what you mean

ETA: I also don't know anything about any missing truck. But if there was indeed a black truck reported missing and this woman did indeed report she saw one with a bawling blond boy, I'd hope they would seriously look into that!!

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[ILOKAL]

And really how much setting up camp would they really need to do? GGP had a camper, RI had his tent. Maybe put up at tent for DeOrr, Jessica and DeOrr jr. and get out some chairs and cooking equipment. It's not a whole lot of work to set up camp.

I think the whole "setting up camp" story line was just created by the East Idaho News reporter and CNN to be creative and add a human interest element to the story.

How do we know about a camper and tent and other equipment they used? We returned in July from camping and setting up camp was a LOT of work, so I have to disagree with you on that point.

 

[carbuff]

We used to camp often when our children were toddlers, small children and teens. We typically arrived at the campground after dark, since we out for our destination after finishing work. That way we would have a fresh start on a new day in the morning at the campground. We just used our truck headlights to set up the camp. And often the children would sleep through the setting up process and we would just move them into their sleeping bags in the tent.

Yeah, that's how we did it too when my daughter was little.

 

[katydid23]

How do we know about a camper and tent and other equipment they used? We returned in July from camping and setting up camp was a LOT of work, so I have to disagree with you on that point.

Family says they had a camper with them being pulled behind GGP's SUV. So they had a place to easily go to sleep upon arrival.

Setting up camp is a lot less work if there is a camper and it depends upon how intricate your set up is.

 

[ILOKAL]

Family says they had a camper with them being pulled behind GGP's SUV. So they had a place to easily go to sleep upon arrival.

Setting up camp is a lot less work if there is a camper and it depends upon how intricate your set up is.

Did they say that in their interview?

 

[kammiemc]

A sensible time to leave their home Friday morning would be about 7:00 which would put their ETA at around 9:30 AM. You can't POSSIBLY know what their child would or would not due regarding sleeping or dosing while traveling. We have five children and more grand children than can be counted on both hands and no two were alike when it came to travel. We are raising our 7-yr old grandson who has traveled all over with us from the time he was born. He NEVER fell asleep in the car in the morning . . . . ONLY in the afternoon and after lunch.

IMO, I think it might be a little unfair to the parents to say that the time they chose to leave to go camping isn't sensible, when so many people do just that. It just seems like they have enough big things to worry about without getting scrutinized for the boots DeOrr had on and their choice of departure time to go camping. So they left Thurs afternoon and got to the campsite right at sunset. It's totally normal.

 

[babyback]

I'm not certain if it's permitted here at WS, but I'm reading a piece about "Statement Analysis", that is VERY interesting to say the least.

 

[ILOKAL]

For those who looking for a response, here it is. If the parents said they arrived on Thursday night (or ANY time on Thursday), than THAT would be the beginning of the timeline, IMO

Since they apparently told Nate, the reporter, that they arrived on Friday, (and in the interview and/or Nate's article) then they drove to town and went to the store, returned to camp, were at the camp about an hour before deciding to explore a little, which had occurred at about 2:00 which was close to Deorr's nap . . . .

And THAT'S why Friday begins the timeline, IMO. Nothing nefarious about arriving on a different day except it would have been a lie, but that's not what posters are asking me, is it? . . . . because THAT would be obvious.

Some think it strange they drove 40 min back to town when in fact that's not strange at all, IMO. Some find it hard to believe Deorr would have been ready for a nap since he would have obviously fallen asleep on the drive (so some say).

I believe, as I have said, the PI mis-spoke, if that's what it's called, and I believe he meant and probably thinks he said that they went to town in the morning after they arrived.

I believe these parents completely and there's absolutely no reason whatsoever NOT to, IMO. My heart breaks for them every single day. I hope little Deorr is found soon, because every parent needs to know where there children are.

 

[travelbug]

I'm not certain if it's permitted here at WS, but I'm reading a piece about "Statement Analysis", that is VERY interesting to say the least.

It's not allowed here. There were attempts to discuss it early in the case because of the many interesting points being made.

 

[CatsInTheCradle]

For those who looking for a response, here it is. If the parents said they arrived on Thursday night (or ANY time on Thursday), than THAT would be the beginning of the timeline, IMO

Since they apparently told Nate, the reporter, that they arrived on Friday, (and in the interview and/or Nate's article) then they drove to town and went to the store, returned to camp, were at the camp about an hour before deciding to explore a little, which had occurred at about 2:00 which was close to Deorr's nap . . . .

And THAT'S why Friday begins the timeline, IMO. Nothing nefarious about arriving on a different day except it would have been a lie, but that's not what posters are asking me, is it? . . . . because THAT would be obvious.

Some think it strange they drove 40 min back to town when in fact that's not strange at all, IMO. Some find it hard to believe Deorr would have been ready for a nap since he would have obviously fallen asleep on the drive (so some say).

I believe, as I have said, the PI mis-spoke, if that's what it's called, and I believe he meant and probably thinks he said that they went to town in the morning after they arrived.

I believe these parents completely and there's absolutely no reason whatsoever NOT to, IMO. My heart breaks for them every single day. I hope little Deorr is found soon, because every parent needs to know where there children are.

So if the PI again confirms a Thursday arrival or LE confirms a Thursday arrival, are you going to accept that?

 

[kammiemc]

For those who looking for a response, here it is. If the parents said they arrived on Thursday night (or ANY time on Thursday), than THAT would be the beginning of the timeline, IMO

Since they apparently told Nate, the reporter, that they arrived on Friday, (and in the interview and/or Nate's article) then they drove to town and went to the store, returned to camp, were at the camp about an hour before deciding to explore a little, which had occurred at about 2:00 which was close to Deorr's nap . . . .

And THAT'S why Friday begins the timeline, IMO. Nothing nefarious about arriving on a different day except it would have been a lie, but that's not what posters are asking me, is it? . . . . because THAT would be obvious.

Some think it strange they drove 40 min back to town when in fact that's not strange at all, IMO. Some find it hard to believe Deorr would have been ready for a nap since he would have obviously fallen asleep on the drive (so some say).

I believe, as I have said, the PI mis-spoke, if that's what it's called, and I believe he meant and probably thinks he said that they went to town in the morning after they arrived.

I believe these parents completely and there's absolutely no reason whatsoever NOT to, IMO. My heart breaks for them every single day. I hope little Deorr is found soon, because every parent needs to know where there children are.

Okay, thanks. That all makes sense, except I personally don't think that the PI misspoke. It wasn't a very complicated thought to convey. I think the parents most likely arrived Thurs night, but that doesn't, to me, mean they necessarily lied to the reporter or LE. They might have, but it's just as likely that the reporter made an assumption and it was never cleared up in time before he reported it.

 

[ILOKAL]

IMO, I think it might be a little unfair to the parents to say that the time they chose to leave to go camping isn't sensible, when so many people do just that. It just seems like they have enough big things to worry about without getting scrutinized for the boots DeOrr had on and their choice of departure time to go camping. So they left Thurs afternoon and got to the campsite right at sunset. It's totally normal.

I'm not criticizing the parents for anything . . . . But you know that! I have no reason to believe they didn't leave their home on Friday and arrived that same morning. Buddy Holly, I presume?

 

[carbuff]

I didn't think the family ever specifically said they arrived on Friday. They said they were back at the camp by 1, is all.

 

[babyback]

I know that the Walmart sighting was looked into by LE and was discounted. My question is, why was the 6:00pm sighting at the convenience store not followed up on? Or was it discounted for a reason. Do we know?

 

[relay]

I know that the Walmart sighting was looked into by LE and was discounted. My question is, why was the 6:00pm sighting at the convenience store not followed up on? Or was it discounted for a reason. Do we know?

Chances are that the 6pm siting was looked into, and we are not privy to the results. If LE or the parents believed it was a good possible lead, I believe it would have been made public.

 

[pepelepolecat]

I am curious, just for argument's sake, if it's, say, reported by MSM tomorrow that the PI's information about the Thurs arrival time is accurate, is that a problem? I get the feeling that it's being somehow seen as against the parents to assume the PI is accurate. I don't think I understand the implications of a Thurs arrival date. (I'm thinking there must be implications because it's being so hotly debated!) Is it that it would imply that the parents lied? Genuine question.


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Neither arrival time would indicate the parents lied because to my knowledge (and please link me if I'm wrong), the parents have never given an arrival time. The Friday arrival time was printed in the first timeline. The Thursday arrival time started as a social media rumor -- but it seemed to be confirmed by the PI's interview.

Either way, what fault could attach to the parents for arriving Thursday night? Or Friday morning? Either way, we KNOW when DeOrr went missing, and clearly they got to camp before that.

While MSM is generally to be trusted, I have my doubts in this case because -- let's face it -- they announced he'd been found when he clearly had not.

 

[Paulas88]

Oh man... This looks like it might turn into a cold case.

 

[starfire]

Nate Eaton is human. He even recently admitted he has accidentally reported wrong information before. MSM reporters aren't perfect.

 

[ILOKAL]

So if the PI again confirms a Thursday arrival or LE confirms a Thursday arrival, are you going to accept that?

Absolutely! That would mean Nate was mistaken in what he wrote.

 

[CatsInTheCradle]

Neither arrival time would indicate the parents lied because to my knowledge (and please link me if I'm wrong), the parents have never given an arrival time. The Friday arrival time was printed in the first timeline. The Thursday arrival time started as a social media rumor -- but it seemed to be confirmed by the PI's interview.

Either way, what fault could attach to the parents for arriving Thursday night? Or Friday morning? Either way, we KNOW when DeOrr went missing, and clearly they got to camp before that.

While MSM is generally to be trusted, I have my doubts in this case because -- let's face it -- they announced he'd been found when he clearly had not.

bbm
I believe that is correct. In the interview Deorr said he didn't even know what day it was when asked by Nate E. (IMO)