ID - DeOrr Kunz Jr, 2, Timber Creek Campground, 10 July 2015 - #9

[katydid23]

In this scenario, I guess the parents see IR leave with the backpack to "search" but then ALSO see him return without the backpack? How does that work?

Why would they see him leave with it? I bet it was total chaos. He could have had it stashed , hidden away somewhere.

 

[ILOKAL]

Why would they see him leave with it? I bet it was total chaos. He could have had it stashed , hidden away somewhere.

Yes . . . . He "could" have.

 

[iluvmua]

Have LE come out and said if the parents passed their polygraphs yet?

 

[katydid23]

Yes . . . . He "could" have.

I am not saying he did. Just saying it was not impossible.

 

[katydid23]

I am not saying he did. Just saying it was not impossible.

I guess that seeing so many cases here, where the neighbor, or friend, turned out to be the monster, has gotten to me. I cannot just rule it out.

 

[iluvmua]

Why are the parents so silent on this? If this were my child, you could not get me to shut up. I would be talking to anyone who would listen to me.

I would be on every major talk show etc.

 

[kammiemc]

It sounds like the parents, the GGF, and IR were all in fairly close proximity when little Deorr went missing. If the parent's "exploring" story is to be believed, it seems almost impossible for IR to be involved -- unless he somehow kidnapped Deorr without the GGF noticing, incapacitated him, and hid him outside of the 3 mile search zone -- all within the span of 10 minutes or less.

Since he was not far from the camp site, I am assuming the parents checked with IR and/or IR heard them yelling for little Deorr shortly after they returned from the 10 minute walk. If IR had been missing for awhile when the parents initially started searching and/or disappeared for quite awhile before LE showed up, it seems we would have heard something about that by now, from LE, the PI, the family...somebody. I think IR is strange and I wouldn't necessarily want him around my kids (if I had kids, that is), but I am not convinced he is involved in little Deorr's disappearance.

Clearly there is no way to know what happened (or didn't happen) to DeOrr at this point with our extremely limited and conflicting info, but I have a strong feeling that facts around the exploring timeline are not accurate. (He was missing an hour, 10 mins or 4 mins before the 911 call.) There is something funky going on with the discrepancy of the arrival date. I don't think things were relayed to LE or Nate correctly (truthfully). Who knows why. But I think for that reason, plus other behavioral and physical evidence, the sheriff suspects a crime by one of the POI's and brought in the FBI.

Without little DeOrr being found, there is a chance that all LE has is circumstantial evidence. You can't make an arrest on a polygraph or even upon discovery that POI (POI's) misled LE about events.

If DeOrr's DNA was discovered on a random stranger who had no connection to the family, that would be one thing (probably still not enough to peg someone for murder) but I have a feeling it would be difficult to prove that any of the POI's were involved unless there is a confession. But I have to think the sheriff is not messing around and there are reasons he believes what he does. (He's better at his job than I am! And knows a lot more about this case than I do! [emoji4] I have faith in him.)


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[kammiemc]

Why are the parents so silent on this? If this were my child, you could not get me to shut up. I would be talking to anyone who would listen to me.

I would be on every major talk show etc.

Especially if I believed a stranger abduction took place. It's not a time to go dark. I am sure they their reasons. But I do wonder what they are.


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[Eileen730]

I don't think they believe he was abducted.
Jmo

 

[eileenhawkeye]

Lawyers who do pro bono work may get credit for that work which goes towards their continuing legal education classes that are taken every year for as long as the lawyer pratices. Plus, lawyers who work pro bono are appreciated by, and thought well of by, the judges. There is always incentive. Not to mention that many lawyers are of the mindset that it is their duty to do pro bono work as a service to the community.

Legal advice is usually free with the caveat that the inquirer should seek legal counsel for a second opinion, especially if the person is not accepted as a client.

LE can lie to the parents, the POIs, the press. The lawyer can not lie to the client. It is always a good idea to make sure that what LE is saying is, in fact, the truth and the law. LE doesn't know the law like the lawyers do.

The reasons that you give are more logical to me than a lawyer hoping he is going to strike it rich from this case. Would a public defender be most likely to take the case? They are the ones who went into law to give their services to people who cannot afford it, so I think this case would appeal to them more than a top criminal lawyer who is making big bucks from his cases, and this one isn't big enough to add to his tally. I could see a lawyer giving some advice, maybe sitting in with them for questioning a couple of times, etc.

 

[jessie]

I keep hoping that if - IF - any of the four adults on this camping trip are involved it must all have been a dreadful accident.
Little ones are so accident-prone, they have no fear and are adventurous. To me this area would be a nightmare with a 2 year old, I'd be constantly on my guard with a child.
Then I think, if an accident, why not report it? Even if due to adult negligence?
I'm at a loss to understand what's happened.
If the Sheriff is hoping hunters come across remains, how do you consider what scavengers have done meanwhile?
I am so glad I'm not the Sheriff, his job must be so very difficult in such cases.
Just my musings, nothing valuable to add.

 

[kammiemc]

How about the one person no one else talks about.

You mean the person who reportedly turned his head and the toddler disappeared? (Or depending on what account is accurate, saw the toddler go over the embankment or didn't even know he was alone with the toddler because he thought DeOrr was with his parents?) I have a feeling he might be very upset and confused--maybe in disbelief. If the poor guy has dementia, he could have been made to second guess what he thought he knew. I think it would be hard for him to relay events accurately in a way that's reliable. Just because he is still driving (meaning, no one has taken the keys--hard to do!) doesn't mean his short-term memory is intact and he doesn't get things mixed up. (Dementia stinks. Eat your blueberries and do your crossword puzzles!)


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[ILOKAL]

The reasons that you give are more logical to me than a lawyer hoping he is going to strike it rich from this case. Would a public defender be most likely to take the case? They are the ones who went into law to give their services to people who cannot afford it, so I think this case would appeal to them more than a top criminal lawyer who is making big bucks from his cases, and this one isn't big enough to add to his tally. I could see a lawyer giving some advice, maybe sitting in with them for questioning a couple of times, etc.

WHAT case?!

 

[jessie]

No LE have not said if they passed or not. Some of us know the results but we are not allowed to post that information.

For myself I would not expect that information to be posted. But may I ask if this is positive knowledge or just secondhand talk you have heard?

 

[bluesneakers]

2 1/2 is in the average age range, although girls seem to train a little earlier than boys in some cases. In my personal experience, for boys it's closer to 3. It would definitely still be common to have a 2 1/2 year old in diapers all the time, but especially still at night even if they were potty trained during the day. The upside to camping is that he would have probably been allowed to pee outside wherever he wanted lol...most little boys loooove doing that!

So glad I had a girl!

 

[Paulas88]

Why are the parents so silent on this? If this were my child, you could not get me to shut up. I would be talking to anyone who would listen to me.

I would be on every major talk show etc.

Yeah, this has been bothering me too, the case is basically cold, just waiting for
FBI info, the parents should be organizing searches, getting any media attention
they can, but nothing.

When the timeline (when family arrived) was being debated, IIRC, Jessica's Mother (I guess it might have been someone saying it was her mother) on FB wrote that they arrived Friday, and then went to store, and she had txt to prove, so it's weird that they really arrived Thursday night. (Odd) The other problem for me, is the PI mention of the old man starring at DeOrr that made Jessica nervous.... It was a smoke screen,(IMO) eluding or enforcing the abduction theory, why would the parents WANT to do that... Idk

 

[jessie]

I don't know if I'm allowed to say this - but if my child just disappeared and there were no sign of them anywhere I would be continually contacting TV, newspapers, whatever social media I had available, for news and to get information out there. I would be desperate.
I have suffered loss of a close loved one, and I understand that it makes you numb and incapable of operating normally. I have also found that being active is a way of coping with a loss.
God knows I would be active in searching. I wouldn't want people to forget, to miss the chance of a sighting somewhere even if it's some distance away.
Something terrible has happened here. Why has it all gone so quiet?

 

[pepelepolecat]

Then the FBI won't be able to prove little Deorr wasn't there; wasn't attacked by an animal; didn't drown in the creek/reservoir; wasn't abducted/kidnapped; or didn't wander off, get lost, and succumb to the elements either.

Well, they can if they have absolute proof that something else happened. That evidence would prove what happened while also proving what didn't happen.

 

[pepelepolecat]

You mean the person who reportedly turned his head and the toddler disappeared? (Or depending on what account is accurate, saw the toddler go over the embankment or didn't even know he was alone with the toddler because he thought DeOrr was with his parents?) I have a feeling he might be very upset and confused--maybe in disbelief. If the poor guy has dementia, he could have been made to second guess what he thought he knew. I think it would be hard for him to relay events accurately in a way that's reliable. Just because he is still driving (meaning, no one has taken the keys--hard to do!) doesn't mean his short-term memory is intact and he doesn't get things mixed up. (Dementia stinks. Eat your blueberries and do your crossword puzzles!)


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Does he have dementia, though, or is this one of those rumors that became a fact somewhere earlier in the threads?

(I haven't seen a news article that actually said he had dementia but am open to the idea -- just not sure it's a fact or a rumor).

 

[relay]

In this scenario, I guess the parents see IR leave with the backpack to "search" but then ALSO see him return without the backpack? How does that work?

Is this speculation or was it reported that IR left carrying a backpack to search and returned from the search without said backpack?