ID - Doomsday Cult Victims - Joshua Vallow - Tylee Ryan - Tammy Daybell - Charles Vallow - *Arrests* #69

[Emi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1646983584266461184

https://twitter.com/x/status/1646983673072459777

https://twitter.com/x/status/1646984145384669184

 

[Emi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1646980575759314946

https://twitter.com/x/status/1646985809051156482

https://twitter.com/x/status/1646986237788708864

 

[Ruminations]

It is based on Charles Vallow's income at time of death.

His earning history. Right.

 

[Emi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1646987283579691009

https://twitter.com/x/status/1646987738007371777

https://twitter.com/x/status/1646987887513333761

 

[Deerrun]

His earning history. Right.

That's only if it is through your employer. Usually 3 and a half times your annual. I think CV paid for his own policy and did not have it through work.

 

[Cool Cats]

Day 10: Vallow Daybell told friend she ‘could always put some pills’ in husband’s water

“The fact that you continue to go to the temple after all you’ve done shocks even me,” Lori Vallow Daybell’s fourth husband wrote in an email.

www.yahoo.com

I wonder about this:

Det. Nathan Duncan, from the Chandler Police Department in Arizona, took the witness stand Thursday afternoon and finished his testimony Friday morning. Duncan spoke about the shooting of Vallow Daybell’s fourth husband, Charles Vallow, which occurred in July 2019. Duncan told the 18-person jury — 12 jurors and six alternates — that Charles Vallow was killed,

but he didn’t mention that Vallow Daybell faces a criminal charge in Arizona for conspiring to kill him.

 Interesting, it appears that the judge doesn't want Lori's AZ murder charge in front of the jury. This means the prosecution can't show a life insurance motive for this crime.

It will have to be brought up in her AZ trial.

I assume the reason to not bring it up is because Lori has not (yet) been found guilty of conspiring to kill her husband Charles Vallow.

I remember testimony did come out about his life insurance.

If anyone can give me a clearer "picture" of all this - thanks!

 

[Tortoise]

I don't see the point in any of Thomas's cross-examinations, it all seems ineffectual to me. Perhaps mitigation is the purpose, reinforcing that others believed it so Lori was just as susceptible as the others to being preyed upon by Chad. I'm not buying it.

 

[wnk]

Taking a look at the defense's cross-examination of Melanie yesterday, I think they may be trying to draw parallels between her and Lori -- both knew about these teachings, both thought they were strange, both participated in the "casting"... and the defense ended with the account of Melanie asking Alex about the kids and Alex refusing to tell her. Are they going to try to convince us that Lori was in the same place -- that she was just as ignorant about what was really going on as Melanie was?

Looks like the defense did the same thing today with ZP's cross-examination: focusing on how these were sincere beliefs, how even "sophisticated" people could get caught up in them, etc.

Even if LVD isn't ready to turn on CD and try to pin it all on him, that seems to be where her defense team is leaning. Poor, innocent women... all just deceived by CD's web of lies.

 

[Cedars]

Day 10: Vallow Daybell told friend she ‘could always put some pills’ in husband’s water

“The fact that you continue to go to the temple after all you’ve done shocks even me,” Lori Vallow Daybell’s fourth husband wrote in an email.

www.yahoo.com

I wonder about this:

Det. Nathan Duncan, from the Chandler Police Department in Arizona, took the witness stand Thursday afternoon and finished his testimony Friday morning. Duncan spoke about the shooting of Vallow Daybell’s fourth husband, Charles Vallow, which occurred in July 2019. Duncan told the 18-person jury — 12 jurors and six alternates — that Charles Vallow was killed,

but he didn’t mention that Vallow Daybell faces a criminal charge in Arizona for conspiring to kill him.

 Interesting, it appears that the judge doesn't want Lori's AZ murder charge in front of the jury. This means the prosecution can't show a life insurance motive for this crime.

It will have to be brought up in her AZ trial.

I assume the reason to not bring it up is because Lori has not (yet) been found guilty of conspiring to kill her husband Charles Vallow.

I remember testimony did come out about his life insurance.

If anyone can give me a clearer "picture" of all this - thanks!

I believe information about pending charges would be considered prejudicial. A jury member might assume that since police have found evidence against her in that case, she must be guilty in this case.

In general, the idea is that a jury must make up their minds on current charges, based only on the evidence they see/hear in this trial about the current charges.

IMO, evidence about the insurance money motive has come from Lori and Chad's own texts, so seems to me, possibly defense can't object to that.

Prosecution haven't introduced evidence from Kay about Lori's call, or the insurance company call, perhaps to stay within bounds of not prejudicing the jury with evidence of a different/alleged crime.

I even wonder if MG was coached to avoid reference to insurance money. Perhaps that was a trap defense set for her, hoping to have her entire testimony struck.

JMO

 

[LinasK]

Day 10: Vallow Daybell told friend she ‘could always put some pills’ in husband’s water

“The fact that you continue to go to the temple after all you’ve done shocks even me,” Lori Vallow Daybell’s fourth husband wrote in an email.

www.yahoo.com

I wonder about this:

Det. Nathan Duncan, from the Chandler Police Department in Arizona, took the witness stand Thursday afternoon and finished his testimony Friday morning. Duncan spoke about the shooting of Vallow Daybell’s fourth husband, Charles Vallow, which occurred in July 2019. Duncan told the 18-person jury — 12 jurors and six alternates — that Charles Vallow was killed,

but he didn’t mention that Vallow Daybell faces a criminal charge in Arizona for conspiring to kill him.

 Interesting, it appears that the judge doesn't want Lori's AZ murder charge in front of the jury. This means the prosecution can't show a life insurance motive for this crime.

It will have to be brought up in her AZ trial.

I assume the reason to not bring it up is because Lori has not (yet) been found guilty of conspiring to kill her husband Charles Vallow.

I remember testimony did come out about his life insurance.

If anyone can give me a clearer "picture" of all this - thanks!

This could be a good thing, because then the defense can't claim that it's prejudicial and use it as grounds to appeal a conviction verdict.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

IMO Lori's defense will be that Lori herself is a victim and that Alex Cox had terrorized her entire life, and it was he who killed Charles Vallow, Tammy Daybell, Tylee Ryan and JJ Vallow, as part of a continuing campaign to terrorize Lori and to ensure she continued to submit to his sexual abuse of her. There is a book by John Glatt called Doomsday Mother which says Lori's childhood friend said that Alex sexually molested Lori when she was 12 and he 17 and that Chad and Lori were openly sexual towards each other in their family life. Lori will say Alex's rape of her at the young age of 12 irreparably damaged her and made her pliant and very vulnerable to continuing sexual abuse/rapes by Alex and also the control by domineering men such as her former husbands and Chad.

All the above is just my opinion. I don't believe Lori's childhood trauma is an excuse for her murdering her husband and children, this is just my opinion on what her defense might possibly be.

Yet Lori allowed Alex to stay close in her life, even allowing TR and JJ to be alone with him. IMO, she is a lying liar. I don't think that dog's gonna hunt if she tries that defense. JMO

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Chad attracted his followers by grooming and assigning special roles.

A fraud all the way. He passed blessings out like cigars at a babies birth. Creep!

 

[Nikynoo]

I don't see the point in any of Thomas's cross-examinations, it all seems ineffectual to me. Perhaps mitigation is the purpose, reinforcing that others believed it so Lori was just as susceptible as the others to being preyed upon by Chad. I'm not buying it.

I agree. I am also wondering whether they are planning on an appeal already.

 

[Tortoise]

I agree. I am also wondering whether they are planning on an appeal already.

most definitely, IMO

not that I've seen any grounds yet, I think the State has been surprisingly much better than I expected, with their strategy.

 

[Tortoise]

Day 10: Vallow Daybell told friend she ‘could always put some pills’ in husband’s water

“The fact that you continue to go to the temple after all you’ve done shocks even me,” Lori Vallow Daybell’s fourth husband wrote in an email.

www.yahoo.com

I wonder about this:

Det. Nathan Duncan, from the Chandler Police Department in Arizona, took the witness stand Thursday afternoon and finished his testimony Friday morning. Duncan spoke about the shooting of Vallow Daybell’s fourth husband, Charles Vallow, which occurred in July 2019. Duncan told the 18-person jury — 12 jurors and six alternates — that Charles Vallow was killed,

but he didn’t mention that Vallow Daybell faces a criminal charge in Arizona for conspiring to kill him.

 Interesting, it appears that the judge doesn't want Lori's AZ murder charge in front of the jury. This means the prosecution can't show a life insurance motive for this crime.

It will have to be brought up in her AZ trial.

I assume the reason to not bring it up is because Lori has not (yet) been found guilty of conspiring to kill her husband Charles Vallow.

I remember testimony did come out about his life insurance.

If anyone can give me a clearer "picture" of all this - thanks!

They are demonstrating a life insurance motive, because she expected to receive the money. It's not just Lori's acts, it's acts of all the co-conspirators, of which Alex was one. Whether it's charged yet, or not, or adjudicated yet or not, the detective testified that Charles was shot while he was lying on the ground and in his opinion Alex had not given him CPR as he said he was doing on the 911 call.

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@jlumfox10
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7h

Texts between Lori & Chad (7/18/19) a week after Charles died. Lori tells Chad “I just got the letter from the insurance company saying that I am not the beneficiary. It’s a spear thru my heart. Who do you think he changed it to Brandon or probably Kay. He left nothing for jj.”

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@jlumfox10
·
7h

Prior to Charles’ death Blake confirms with Duncan that Lori had no idea she was not the beneficiary before the shooting. This contradicts the cross exam between John Thomas and Melanie Gibb yesterday.

 

[mickey2942]

Colby will be a witness for the prosecution? This whole trial seems to have destroyed his life.

 

[k-mac]

In the past I thought Zulema was not fully cooperating and had evil intentions. Based on her testimony so far, if true, she really did not know anything. I give her credit for staying silent and what appears to credible testimony. I thought she may have been in on ACs death. I was wrong and am wondering if AC took his own life at the persuasion of C&L.

I am not buying what she's selling.
Not all of it anyway.
She is very self serving just like Gibb.

She is admitting to everything the cops have her pinned to in physical text. Thats it.

She doesn't remember her wedding day?????
Come...on ...now.....

 

[k-mac]

A woman who can’t remember her wedding day? She didn’t love Alex. She and MG have both committed perjury now with their “memories”.

yep
no way she loved alex.
So why did she marry him??
I feel the same about MP marrying Ian. The chemistry of dog poo. IMO.

I speculate.....insurance policies to fund the cults future was behind these marriages.

They are all EVIL.

 

[k-mac]

Well- this REALLY favored Chad far more than I anticipated.

Because Chad is the leader in terms of the 3 murders charged plus Charles. I have always felt this, and it's just an opinion*, but the trial so far has doubled my confidence in my opinion.

I know it is more popular to think of Lori as the leader, and that is supported by her history with Tylee (likely factious by proxy, put her last in divorce negotiations) and Joe (quite possible murder, certain parental alienation on steroids).

But just because Lori has been REALLY bad to others does not mean she was not prime pickings for an abuser like Chad.

I can't believe the level of spiritual abuse. Or, Jesus' love bombing, lol.

*who is the ring leader is not of much consequence because I don't think anyone could be acquitted anyway.

Chad is so lucky he is not being tried, but he gets to hear what is coming out against him. Grrr.

MOO

I agree.
Just look at who was murdered and more importantly who wasn't.

Chads children.

But the inconvenient step kids were disposable.

All Chad's inconveniences were removed.
His wife....her husband....her children...and then....the used up patsy.

Chad was the boss. IMO

eta
His little harem of 5.
Lori
Zulema
Mel P
Mel G
Julie R (hanging by a thread)

And of course the 'prettiest' (cough) was his chosen lover.

The only money they got was Tammys life insurance.

This was RINSE REPEAT method to gain cash to support their little cult in Rexy.

The weekend JJ was murdered they had Mel G boyfriend looking at land at rexy.......

 

[Spartygirl]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1646948317560209408

https://twitter.com/x/status/1646950216963350528

https://twitter.com/x/status/1646950232591331328

Thanks @Emi and @Niner and everyone posting today.

Catching up now

Unbelievable !!

I am doing so many eye rolls, my brain hurts but I've been waiting for ZP's testimony so while it's interesting, I sit here with jaw dropping and eye rolling as I read along.

A few eye roll moments---ZP: Lori said Charles moved to Texas because there were doctors there who help keep bodies that are possessed alive.

Ummmm-- are these Voodoo doctors ?? Just wondering.

AND--Zulema asked Lori why she moved to Texas with Charles after all the problems she had with him.
Lori said she needed to go so she could get her finances straight.

Hmmmm mmm.. Yeppers. She sure did !!!
Perhaps a little make up and bonding time to ensure life insurance policy is paid up and make CV feel loved.
Joke was on her though.
He saw right through her fake attempt to reunite and changed his beneficiary.