GUILTY ID - Doomsday Cult Victims - Joshua Vallow, Tylee Ryan, Tammy Daybell, Charles Vallow *Arrests* #75

[Ruminations]

honestly, I'd still be reading the texts, all of them. I have to think they are going over evidence because I mean WOW I'd need to snoop a little too if I had free access to it all.

Could be. The other thing is: they seemed a serious jury. There were a lot of counts. I bet they found a citation for each element of each crime.

MOO

 

[Gardenista]

alex brizee

@alex_brizee

Maricopa County Attorney's Office Deputy Chief of Staff told me: If Lori Vallow Daybell ends up appealing her conviction — which wouldn't happen until after sentencing — it won't affect the Arizona extradition.

 

[mickey2942]

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that AZ is doing an extradition. It is just that they completely dropped the ball. So, I guess that the charges will be the same, conspiracy to commit murder. Would they go DP in AZ?

 

[k-mac]

I think a person doesn't suddenly get to a place in their life where they feel nothing for killing family members or inflicting cruelty and pain, even feeling happiness when they are lying dead in front of them, having no humanity. I think it makes more sense that the person was always that way, disconnected, without empathy or humanity, capable of inflicting the worst of the worst cruelty upon others, and the times when others saw them differently they were just manipulating them for gain, for the love they would get. I think she's probably always been a psychopath and a narcissist and it's the only answer, as to why.

I will never understand though why she hid behind religion.
Because she lived quite contradictory.
Lavish, entitled and physically self obsessed in her earthly life.
Yet mentally obsessed with Jesus and the second coming.
Jesus was not selfish, or vain...or lavish.

A very strange concoction of thought processes.
oh...and 5 husbands.
Definitely not the Mormon way.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

…if you read the comment section, they don’t .

i am hoping, so much, that this foundation influences those Daybell children.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I guess I shouldn't be surprised that AZ is doing an extradition. It is just that they completely dropped the ball. So, I guess that the charges will be the same, conspiracy to commit murder. Would they go DP in AZ?

i keep feeling its worth a shot...even if not the verdict.

 

[aafromaa]

I didn’t get to see the verdict live - didn’t even know one had been reached for sure until I got home from work this evening. Today was as expected the busiest day of the year for us - graduation weekend in a college town.

But I was no less thrilled to see she was found guilty on all counts when I did get home and after watching a video of the verdict i came back here to read all the comments because even though I couldn’t be on here live with you all, I had to be with my WS family today even if I was a bit late.

Thank you to all who have participated in this forum and sharing your thoughts and conclusions along the way.

I see many today have posted about a concern over an appeal by LVD due to ineffectiveness of counsel and just want to say I do not think that will ever happen. A few days ago, I posted a link to show that in Idaho it is not enough to say that counsel was ineffective but you also have to show that it would have made a difference in the outcome. Nothing defense counsel could do here would have made any difference in the verdicts. Her words and actions were documented in those texts and testified to by her former friends and followers and even her own son. NOTHING that ANY defense counsel could have done would have been enough to overcome all of the evidence and get a different verdict. I still believe the decision not to put on a defense case was hers - a way of saying I’m not responsible to this court - ”it can’t touch me” - but even if her attorneys went out on their own against her direction, it would not have made a difference and she cannot claim ineffectiveness of counsel without showing it would have. Now, I’m not saying that she couldn’t appeal on some other grounds - I don’t know enough to know that - but I am convinced that she could not appeal for ineffectiveness of counsel. JMO

 

[Tortoise]

I will never understand though why she hid behind religion.
Because she lived quite contradictory.
Lavish, entitled and physically self obsessed in her earthly life.
Yet mentally obsessed with Jesus and the second coming.
Jesus was not selfish, or vain...or lavish.

A very strange concoction of thought processes.
oh...and 5 husbands.
Definitely not the Mormon way.

I think her fake religiosity just added another string to her bow, a way of attracting adoration from people who were open to belief, already into visions and stuff. Especially being so special that Jesus and Moroni came to see her (cough). But we saw that she wasn't hiding away in the mountains in a tent with food storage, she was sunning herself by the pool. As fake as fake.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Aloha all! I joined WS when this case 1st came up and I haven't commented much but I live on the island they lived and stayed on I couldn't even stomach knowing they were here but I've been waiting for this moment along with all of you and the family of JJ and Tylee ever since I put up flyers and signs all over Princeville and in front the condo they stayed in when I found out they were right here in my backyard, I have been waiting ever since to log back in, tears, guilty to the 144th degree, thank you, thank you Lord!!!

oh how I feel your joy. Having been in the presence of so much of the unknown back then, and the ominous and slow motion actions until now............ must be a mightly and joyful sensation.

 

[alexwood]

Lori's new mugshot as a convicted felon/







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I was wondering when the still photos from the court room would be released! (And how perfect! That hairdo!)

 

[Derph]

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She looks rough all right and after more time in prison she will look like a hag so that
Her face will match how ugly she is inside

 

[iamshadow21]

What a wonderful thing to wake up and see GUILTY all over the header for this thread. I'm not ashamed to say I had a little cry into my morning coffee.

I'd like to thank those who kept this thread so informative, it was just vital for me, following this half a world away while watching every day of Gannon live. The folks carefully copying the tweets meant I never got lost or too far behind. @Emi in particular, you did an amazing job, but I know that there were others all beavering away to make this thread what it has been. You're all rockstars.

Now, onwards and upwards! Sentencing, Arizona, and Chad's trial! We've started as we mean to go on! Let's get a full house of 'guilty's by the end!

And, JJ, Tylee, and Tammy, you beautiful shining lights... Today, you got the first in what I hope is a whole measure of justice. I would hope that you kids get to rest in peace soon, but I suspect it won't be until after Chad's trial. I know you're in safe hands with the medical examiner. We won't forget you, and hope that someday soon, you'll be resting somewhere with a beautiful stone to memorialise you.

MOO

 

[Love Never Fails]

If Melaniece had a deal, it was with Idaho, correct? So, no immunity in AZ. This might be why she broke court rule in ID and watched the trial? So she didn't have to testify and put herself in jeopardy in AZ?

I don’t know. I felt like Idaho let her off real easy. Don’t know the plan for AZ.

 

[Love Never Fails]

I think a person doesn't suddenly get to a place in their life where they feel nothing for killing family members or inflicting cruelty and pain, even feeling happiness when they are lying dead in front of them, having no humanity. I think it makes more sense that the person was always that way, disconnected, without empathy or humanity, capable of inflicting the worst of the worst cruelty upon others, and the times when others saw them differently they were just manipulating them for gain, for the love they would get. I think she's probably always been a psychopath and a narcissist and it's the only answer, as to why.

I agree with this. Lori didn’t change for Chad. She just found her calling.

 

[KonaHonu]

Sentencing. Three months? Well, I don't think it will be a surprise. LWOP. She could have additional time added, but it really won't make much of a difference. She ain't gonna go anywhere. I doubt AZ will spend the money to drag her to AZ for Charles Vallow's death.

I don't think she'll get LWOP. I'm thinking more like 20 years.

Arizona will want to try her. They don't want her to go free if she successfully appeals the Idaho conviction. I think there is only a small chance that happens but Arizona won't take that chance!

 

[Love Never Fails]

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But I don’t think anyone can get the death penalty for conspiracy to commit murder. I think she has to be charged for committing the murder.

 

[KonaHonu]

Wow! Happy Mother's day!!

Does anyone feel sad for her that she won't get as many cards as before?

 

[Love Never Fails]

I don't think she'll get LWOP. I'm thinking more like 20 years.

Arizona will want to try her. They don't want her to go free if she successfully appeals the Idaho conviction. I think there is only a small chance that happens but Arizona won't take that chance!

Tammy, JJ and Tylee. Their lives are worth more than 20 years.

 

[Cool Cats]

But I don’t think anyone can get the death penalty for conspiracy to commit murder. I think she has to be charged for committing the murder.

In Ohio, conspiracy to commit murder is enough. A guy was under the DP for 8 murders but didn't pull the trigger. He was involved in the murder conspiracy.

 

[Ruminations]

How does this organization feel about Chad Daybell’s culpability? This statements makes it seems they put it all on LVD.

One of the officers of the charity is Sam Gwilliam. No worries. She (quietly) holds Chad responsible for the murder, too.

Tammy's side of the family has chosen to stay mostly private as they go through all this.

MOO