GUILTY ID - Doomsday Cult Victims - Joshua Vallow, Tylee Ryan, Tammy Daybell, Charles Vallow *Arrests* #76

[Inthedetails]

I don’t know whether Kay hired an attorney or whether the prosecution requested she be designated by the court to speak on behalf of CV when they first submitted the list of people for consideration for victim impact statements. But if VH is accurate in saying the prosecution has not filed any additional requests on her behalf then she needs to hire an attorney to see if they can help make this happen. I believe the order indicates the clarification of who VH is and the request to be designated by the court to represent TD’s deceased mother would have to come from the prosecution and I’m puzzled why this has not yet been done.

Also note - TD’s mother (VH’s sister) died on or about the same day the judge denied VH’s request to give a victim impact statement. So since his order on this, the situation has changed in that TD’s mother who would have had standing has passed away. I think VH could have been designated by the court prior to the death of TD’s mother since she was sick and in hospice but since it wasn’t filed with the court when she died, it certainly should have been by now.

VH should not “have” to hire an attorney but she might need to just to see that the new information is brought to the Judge before it’s too late.

Charles would've been able to speak because he's immediate family to JJ. But Charles is dead. So Charles' immediate family, his sister Kay, is speaking on his behalf.

Tammy's mom would've been able to speak because she's immediate family to Tammy. But Tammy's mom is dead. So Tammy's mom's immediate family, her sister, should be able to speak on her behalf.

That's my understanding of the situation and I do hope the judge will grant the aunt's request. It's not stepping outside the legal guidelines, imo, but seems like an "inherited" role family member can assume for deceased relatives.

Otherwise, Tammy really is left out, which feels like yet another betrayal against her.

jmo

 

[Trebor5591]

Do you not accept that Chad Daybell has for many years presented as a toxic cult leader? Do you not allow for the possibility that his children, reared in this environment, could have bought into his claims of holy invincibility? It’s possible they’re being completely objective or are guided only by filial devotion, of course. We can wonder without ever knowing for sure.

No, I never viewed Chad and his LDS splinter group as a "cult". Chad's group does not meet the definition of a cult, which is a religious group that imposes excessive control over its members. People were free to come and go from Chad's group freely as they pleased. Chad and Lori are murderers, yes, but they are not cult leaders, in my opinion.

As far as his children goes, usually children rebel against the parents, and we have heard absolutely nothing (thus far) about his children joining Chad's "group", so I would guess they don't view their father as holy. My opinion only.

 

[indicolite22]

No, I never viewed Chad and his LDS splinter group as a "cult". Chad's group does not meet the definition of a cult, which is a religious group that imposes excessive control over its members. People were free to come and go from Chad's group freely as they pleased. Chad and Lori are murderers, yes, but they are not cult leaders, in my opinion.

As far as his children goes, usually children rebel against the parents, and we have heard absolutely nothing (thus far) about his children joining Chad's "group", so I would guess they don't view their father as holy. My opinion only.

Chad's group had a distinct set of beliefs, laid out in the manifesto that IP provided to police. As the leader, Chad was able to convince his followers (Lori, Alex and MBP) to murder their relatives or accept they were going to die. All under the banner of religion. Other members of the group saw both him and Lori as religious leaders.

IMO Chad's children believed their father had God given abilities to talk to the dead and predict the future, although they likely did not know the entirety of his doctrine.

 

[indicolite22]

In the third episode of their podcast (Tylee and JJ's silver linings on yt), Lori's brother and uncle talk about Alex. They state that he could never hold down a job and was easily influenced. Chad and Lori offered deeper meaning to his life by assigning him a special role. Alex went from being excommunicated from the LDS church twice to a religious fanatic. He would listen to the same Mike Stroud's podcasts multiple times while working as a truck driver.

 

[Quim The Extraordinaire]

Tammy deserves someone that loved her to stand up for her and speak of what the untimely loss of her means to them. My heart is broken for her.

For Tammy's children to value their murdering, unfaithful, lying, deceitful, scheming piece of gum on a shoe father over their loving, steadfast, hard working, faithful mother is so horrible.

Someday they will regret it. I see no reason a child could not lament the loss of their much loved mother and still support their father....even though he killed her.

Gotta toe the party god line though I guess...even though he's got feet of clay and is very far from being a prophet much less a god. Someday realization will hit.

Moo

I absolutely agree and share your sorrow on Tammy’s behalf.

I retain grace for the adult Daybell children, who were raised with a familial and cultural standards that value the family patriarch — even one with the personality of chewed gum — above all else, even one’s own instincts. Even Tammy, who thoroughly knew that Chad had those “feet of clay,” acceded to Chad’s directions and whims when it came to relocating, to publishing, and to working to support his culty lifestyle.

We’ve already seen some movement in the Daybell children. I wish them strength in deconstructing their father’s actions and his betrayal. The religious and cultural environment in Rexburg and the vicinity is strong, nearly ubiquitous, and will emphasize spiritual loyalty to Chad. MOO, I think there are both psychological and sociological tendencies at work to blame everything on Lori and Alex.

I hope they can rely on outside family and resources to work through this traumatic event.

Strength to Tammy’s family and loved ones. I hope her aunt can speak to the love and joy Tammy created and nurtured.

 

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Nate Eaton and family. A bit of poetic justice.

Before I temporarily moved across the state earlier this year for Lori Daybell's trial, I told my kids we would go somewhere really cool when it was over. Six weeks later, I returned home but Erica and I hadn't planned anything.
The day after the verdict, my friend Mike sent me a message:
"Sarah [his wife] has been watching every minute of your coverage in Boise and she says you are a legend and you deserve a break. We would love to have you and your family spend a week in our home in Hawaii (Oahu) as a thank you for being so dedicated to your job. "
Sarah said she couldn't help but think "it would be a bit of poetic justice" for me to go back to Hawaii given I was last there in January 2020 at the start of the Daybell investigation.
We were flattered, very grateful, said yes and surprised the kids. We had NO IDEA how beautiful the home and property was until we arrived! It was just the 5 of us and we spent hours on the back deck (that view!), days at the beach, swam with turtles, ate amazing food, went beautiful places and created lifelong memories.
So thankful for Mike and Sarah -- and so many of you -- who care for me and my family. Oh - and for the record - this trip to Hawaii was FAR more relaxing than my last visit.

(By the way - we could have had 20 other people join us at the house and still had plenty of room. If you're thinking about a trip to Hawaii, you can check out the property here: https://oahuwhalehouse.com. Not sure the photos do it justice!)

 

[indicolite22]

Lori's brother Adam and uncle Rex addressed two topics in short videos on their yt channel.

The first was the death of their sister/niece Stacey. They did not contradict the account of Lori's cousin Megan who indicated that Alex might have been involved in Stacey's death. Stacey lived with her uncle Rex's up until two months before she died. They were only 9 years apart in age, so they were close. According to Rex, Stacey knew she was close do dying due to her illness and was ready to die.

They also mentioned Joe Ryan's death and admitted they didn't have additional details. In their opinion it's possible that Alex and Lori murdered Joe. Lori could have also seen Joe's death as divine intervention that encouraged her in later actions. In any case, Adam and Rex are glad the case is being investigated.

 

[Cindizzi]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1681849642835906560

https://twitter.com/x/status/1681850367162687489

 

[Laughing]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1681849642835906560

https://twitter.com/x/status/1681850367162687489

Can anyone summarize? Thos of us without Twitter accounts can't read these.

BTW, thanks for interpreting on the Carlee in Alabama thread!

 

[iamshadow21]

Can anyone summarize? Thos of us without Twitter accounts can't read these.

BTW, thanks for interpreting on the Carlee in Alabama thread!

Tammy's aunt Vicki Hoban is being allowed to give the victim impact statement, since Tammy's mother passed recently. It's official, from the judge. So Tammy will have someone to speak for her at sentencing.

MOO

 

[Laughing]

Tammy's aunt Vicki Hoban is being allowed to give the victim impact statement, since Tammy's mother passed recently. It's official, from the judge. So Tammy will have someone to speak for her at sentencing.

MOO

Thank you!

Not quite ready to set up an email address just to read Twitter, relying on the good will of my fellow posters. I sincerely appreciate this!

 

[iamshadow21]

Thank you!

Not quite ready to set up an email address just to read Twitter, relying on the good will of my fellow posters. I sincerely appreciate this!

I do not have Twitter and never have done, and have no idea why I can still see the embedded tweets, but I can. Happy to help. <3

 

[aafromaa]

I am relieved that the Judge has appointed TD’s aunt as the designated person to speak in place of TD’s mother. I believe it was the right thing to do.

However, I am deeply disappointed in the lack of assistance that she received from the prosecutor’s office on this. If their position was going to be we don’t speak for the victim’s families so reach out to the judge yourself, they should have told her that on June 8th rather than we’ll address it with the judge for over a month and then at the last minute tell her they can’t help. I think they failed her and fell woefully short of their responsibilities on this.

See screen shots below from Judge’s original order showing why prosecutor’s office should have done more regarding this issue.

 

[Tortoise]

Do you think the prosecutors might have to remain at a distance and neutral on the issue, so as to avoid a claim of exercising influence on the judge in the event of appeal?

 

[Cool Cats]

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[aafromaa]

Do you think the prosecutors might have to remain at a distance and neutral on the issue, so as to avoid a claim of exercising influence on the judge in the event of appeal?

Tortoise, I understand that line of thinking but that is not what ID law says or ID courts have upheld. Judge B quoted statutes and decisions in his original determination on who could provide victim impact statements and said requests for consideration/reconsideration should come thru the prosecution’s office. Apparently it’s a standard form given to victim’s families by victim advocate and returned to the prosecution to be submitted to the court. IMO they dropped the ball and thought it would sound better to say we can’t do that than to admit they neglected to do it. But what really bugs me about it is how they told the aunt in June they would submit the additional info and waited until July to tell her they couldn’t help and to do it herself. If they really thought they weren’t supposed to get involved, why not say that in June instead of letting all that time go by that the aunt thought they were doing it because they told her they would. That is what I found so disappointing.

 

[Cool Cats]

Do you think the prosecutors might have to remain at a distance and neutral on the issue, so as to avoid a claim of exercising influence on the judge in the event of appeal?

Well explained by @aafromaa.

The request is handled through the Prosecutor's office. The prosecution was suppose to be pro-active and get involved not "remain at a distance."

Victim impact statements have nothing to do with appeals because the defendant has already been convicted and appeals are done on how the trial was conducted before conviction.

2 Cents

 

[Tortoise]

Well explained by @aafromaa.

The request is handled through the Prosecutor's office. The prosecution was suppose to be pro-active and get involved not "remain at a distance."

Victim impact statements have nothing to do with appeals because the defendant has already been convicted and appeals are done on how the trial was conducted before conviction.

2 Cents

Sentencing can also be a matter for appeal.

This is the reason the judge made rulings, based on Idaho law, regarding who may provide victim impact statements.

 

[Cool Cats]

Sentencing can also be a matter for appeal.

This is the reason the judge made rulings, based on Idaho law, regarding who may provide victim impact statements.

Your right, the whole goal is to get a better sentence or no sentence in the end.

 

[Ruminations]

I absolutely agree and share your sorrow on Tammy’s behalf.

I retain grace for the adult Daybell children, who were raised with a familial and cultural standards that value the family patriarch — even one with the personality of chewed gum — above all else, even one’s own instincts. Even Tammy, who thoroughly knew that Chad had those “feet of clay,” acceded to Chad’s directions and whims when it came to relocating, to publishing, and to working to support his culty lifestyle.

We’ve already seen some movement in the Daybell children. I wish them strength in deconstructing their father’s actions and his betrayal. The religious and cultural environment in Rexburg and the vicinity is strong, nearly ubiquitous, and will emphasize spiritual loyalty to Chad. MOO, I think there are both psychological and sociological tendencies at work to blame everything on Lori and Alex.

I hope they can rely on outside family and resources to work through this traumatic event.

Strength to Tammy’s family and loved ones. I hope her aunt can speak to the love and joy Tammy created and nurtured.

I suspect that Tammy's children are deeply saturated in cult brain. I doubt they have come to believe that Tammy was murdered- especially not by their father.

But if they are not so deeply in denial- they might rationally choose silence, working for the best possible outcome legally for their father (life spared).

I wouldn't blame them if they believed their father responsible- wanted justice for their mother- yet wanted him spared execution. I wouldn't consider that disloyal to their mother.

Whether it's failure to realistically assess the situation, or a horrific circumstance that they fully grasp, the children of Tammy are not in a position to speak on her behalf as a victim.

I'm happy Tammy has an additional classy voice.

MOO.