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Lori is not even good at it. As others pointed out, she did manage to convince MBP, Alex, MG, ZP and a couple of other followers at some point, but it wouldn't work on most normal people.
GUILTY ID - Doomsday Cult Victims - Joshua Vallow, Tylee Ryan, Tammy Daybell, Charles Vallow *Arrests* #76
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This is a reference to LDS theology. They believe that spirits of the dead are currently awaiting the final judgment in a "spirit world," in which everyone is in adult form and that "they are occupied in doing the work of the Lord," including preaching to the dead who didn't accept LDS doctrines while on this earth.
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Lol!!!! Lol
And Lori wiggled out of coming to help him. Chad might lend a hand, soon. She managed once again to get Alex and Chad to do some heavy lifting.
Whenever she finally joins them to "pitch fork" in, she going to have to explain the decades she spent goofing off in prison.
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I loved this part when the judge was talking about mitigation
I also have to consider whether the criminal conduct was the result of circumstances unlikely to recur.
Based on the evidence in this case and in particular considering the statement you just made to the court I find it weighs against me finding in mitigation for that factor.
I also have to consider whether the criminal conduct was the result of circumstances unlikely to recur.
Based on the evidence in this case and in particular considering the statement you just made to the court I find it weighs against me finding in mitigation for that factor.
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IMO if she truly believed any of what she said in court today she’d have mentioned the ‘accident’ ‘fatal medication side effects’ and ‘suicide’ in her actual defense. I’d be more inclined to believe she honestly thinks this is ‘her truth’ had she not mentioned those 3 causes of death which were in no way brought up at any time by her or her defense until now.
If she seriously believed that JJ and Tylee’s deaths were anything other than murder then why did they end up buried in Chad’s back yard, why was Tylee dismembered and burned and why was JJ suffocated with a plastic bag around his little head?
Her statement was nothing more than a final last ditch attempt to dupe the court, have the last word and hurt the families of her victims. Mentioning that her children have visited her from beyond the grave, are ‘busy’ in heaven and that Tammy is her wonderful friend is just absolutely sickening and IMO was done as her final act of causing pain.
Her words about JJ and Tylee were IMO spoken with the aim of causing shock, hurt, anger and grief directly to Kay and Larry. She is a complete narcissist IMO and just had to have the final word, she can’t admit any wrongdoing so decided to make it all about how Jesus knows more than any of us, only God can judge her. In other words letting it be known that the opinion of the court doesn’t mean anything to her, she doesn’t care less, because they are not as important or special as Lori who has spoken to Jesus, has been to heaven and is the only one who has contacted the children since their deaths. Something she has just heard Kay touch upon: how her memories of JJ are all she has left, she will have no more time with him. For Kay to then hear Lori spouting on about how SHE has seen JJ, SHE can speak to him even though no one else can, IMO she claimed those things with the intent of causing anguish and hurt.
Quite frankly I don’t know how the families of the victims in this case managed to stay sat in their seats through Lori’s statement. I imagine it took incredible self restraint.
Murder is completely against everything her religion stands for. The things she’s done have no place in the bible. Zombies have no place either. IMO Lori knows this, if she believed so deeply in her Jesus then she would have been praying for forgiveness every single night for the last few years because even if she believes she didn’t kill anyone, the evidence we’ve heard shows full well that she was willing to claim her own children were possessed, that she was eagerly waiting for Chad to decide that her children were ready to die and spreading falsehoods to her little ‘followers’ about evil spirits possessing her family and friends. All of these things are something that the Jesus she knows so well would not condone.
So IMO anyway, her words today do not compute with the evidence of her evil crimes. The messages she sent and the cunning plan she put in place to eradicate anyone she decided should no longer live, do not demonstrate someone who genuinely believes the things she said today. She is a pathological liar and just had to be centre of attention one last time
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1 Lori is a classic psychopathic narcissist. As such, she is ALWAYS going to be positive she must be right, she will always think the world revolves around her and her glory, and when she is caught doing wrong, she must by any means (try to) manage the world's perception so they can see her actions and her person have all been good.
2 The overwhelming self-focus obviously is a skewed sense of reality, but it's more a case of evil -- the idea that the world revolves around you is sin, as you essentially have made yourself "god" where everyone's purpose is to see you for how great you are.
3 In regards to her statement in court today, when you listen to it closely and boil it down, it said 2 things: (a) I have always done the right thing and been the perfect person, if you only knew, and (b) the people that are dead are all better off (!) as a result, so it's actually a favor to them that they were made dead.
Her attorney's desire that she should be able to counsel others, while he intended that to make her look better, when taken in conjunction with her own mindset and worldview, what a scary and abhorrent proposal!
4 Based on HER WORDS, no one needs to figure out if she's delusional, or faking, when it comes time to sentence her -- all that matters is to understand by her own words that she sees it as a good thing to kill innocent people AND she sees what she did (and does) as always justified. That means she is a danger to anyone and everyone she ever will encounter, because on a whim she could decide they (or you, or your loved ones) would be better off to be made dead.
The sentence for her to never be able to be free (x5) was appropriate, although these sort of crimes (hacking your own child to death, smothering another via duct tape to kill them, and aiding in the murder of a romantic rival who is in your way) are actually what the DP was made for. She has clearly forfeited her right to live. Too bad she can't be sent on to receive her fate that awaits later. There is no value in her still living here, where every day she might be able to spread her own evil thinking to others - or decide someone else is inconvenient and needs to be sent on ahead. That's who she is.
Just my 2c.
2 The overwhelming self-focus obviously is a skewed sense of reality, but it's more a case of evil -- the idea that the world revolves around you is sin, as you essentially have made yourself "god" where everyone's purpose is to see you for how great you are.
3 In regards to her statement in court today, when you listen to it closely and boil it down, it said 2 things: (a) I have always done the right thing and been the perfect person, if you only knew, and (b) the people that are dead are all better off (!) as a result, so it's actually a favor to them that they were made dead.
Her attorney's desire that she should be able to counsel others, while he intended that to make her look better, when taken in conjunction with her own mindset and worldview, what a scary and abhorrent proposal!
4 Based on HER WORDS, no one needs to figure out if she's delusional, or faking, when it comes time to sentence her -- all that matters is to understand by her own words that she sees it as a good thing to kill innocent people AND she sees what she did (and does) as always justified. That means she is a danger to anyone and everyone she ever will encounter, because on a whim she could decide they (or you, or your loved ones) would be better off to be made dead.
The sentence for her to never be able to be free (x5) was appropriate, although these sort of crimes (hacking your own child to death, smothering another via duct tape to kill them, and aiding in the murder of a romantic rival who is in your way) are actually what the DP was made for. She has clearly forfeited her right to live. Too bad she can't be sent on to receive her fate that awaits later. There is no value in her still living here, where every day she might be able to spread her own evil thinking to others - or decide someone else is inconvenient and needs to be sent on ahead. That's who she is.
Just my 2c.
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Are you assuming about Tylee; or did she SAY that, and I just missed it?
Because I'd love to know how she thinks Tylee dismembered and burnt herself.
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I couldn’t watch the 2nd part of the sentencing hearing live - got stuck on a couple of phone calls as I’m working today - and have just finished watching LVD’s statement and the judge pronouncing sentence.
I can’t say that I was surprised by anything LVD said but I guess a little surprised THAT she said it or that her attorneys didn’t talk her out of saying it or something. She drove the nail in her own coffin so to speak. But then again the way her attorney spoke of love and hope and I guess I’m not surprised they didn’t talk her out of her statement either.
I am thankful that the Judge gave LWOP and consecutive sentences. And his comment about LVD going down a bizarre religious rabbit hole and still being there just about covers it.
I am a Christian and I do hope at some point that LVD comes to her senses and repents. But I also believe the part of the Bible that says you will not come out until you have paid the uttermost farthing.
My heart goes out to all of the family members of the victims. I hope they find some peace in the sentencing today. It won’t stop their hearts from breaking and it won’t fix the holes in their lives created by the absence of those they love but there is some solace in knowing she will never come out of prison and I guess that’s the most we can hope for in this life.
I can’t say that I was surprised by anything LVD said but I guess a little surprised THAT she said it or that her attorneys didn’t talk her out of saying it or something. She drove the nail in her own coffin so to speak. But then again the way her attorney spoke of love and hope and I guess I’m not surprised they didn’t talk her out of her statement either.
I am thankful that the Judge gave LWOP and consecutive sentences. And his comment about LVD going down a bizarre religious rabbit hole and still being there just about covers it.
I am a Christian and I do hope at some point that LVD comes to her senses and repents. But I also believe the part of the Bible that says you will not come out until you have paid the uttermost farthing.
My heart goes out to all of the family members of the victims. I hope they find some peace in the sentencing today. It won’t stop their hearts from breaking and it won’t fix the holes in their lives created by the absence of those they love but there is some solace in knowing she will never come out of prison and I guess that’s the most we can hope for in this life.
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I agree with all of this, minus one small piece.
I think based on her words, she doesn’t believe anyone was “murdered”, and if that is the case then she may not support “killing” because she doesn’t even see it that way.
I think she’s that far detached from it all that the deaths, which in reality were murders, are or were warranted because of x, y, and/or z. She threw out other possibilities which was obviously extremely insulting to the victims and their families; but I just think she really doesn’t even see them as “killings”. And if that assumption is correct, all the more reason for her to get the sentence that she got. But JMOO.
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The only point Lori made about speaking to JJ and Tylee beyond the veil was that they absolved her of any guilt. Her victims are not judging her, so the world shouldn't either. It is all about Lori. She never spared a thought for the grieving relatives that were left behind.
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I totally respect the argument. It's a good point about the suicide and accident references. They don't fit in with gods work or letting a person suffering from what appeared to me to be factitious symptoms, out of her misery.
I think Lori is a manipulative person who also has delusions. She knows this world's right and wrong. But I think she believes she is a goddess who knows things others do not. IMO if she didn't believe them she wouldn't say them because they didn't help her, and couldn't have been expected to. In fact, because others don't know what she knows, they will not believe her. And will therefore give no slack for doing God's work.
I agree that Lori's default coping skill is manipulating others. She has the skill set, that's for sure. Yet IMO, which could very well be wrong, her delusions are preventing her from manipulating and lying in her best interest. And for that reason, I believe the delusions are real to her.
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TRANSCRIPT OF LORI VALLOW'S STATEMENT AT HER SENTENCING 31 JUL 2023:
I would like to start by quoting John from the New Testament in the Bible. In John, chapter eight, verse seven, Jesus says, "ye that is without sin among you, let him cast-- first cast a stone at her. Then in verse fifteen, Jesus says, "ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. And yet if I judge, my judgment is true."
Jesus knows me, and Jesus understand me. I mourn with all of you who mourn my children and Tammy. Jesus Christ knows the truth of what happened here. Jesus Christ knows that no one was murdered in this case. Accidental deaths happen. Suicides happen. Fatal side effects from medications happen.
I have a different perspective in life, because in 2002, when I was pregnant with Tylee, I died in the hospital while in labor with her. They tried to stop my labor. They put me on the table and put something in my IV and I felt my spirit falling to the floor. I was standing near my pregnant body watching the doctors trying to revive me, which took them a few minutes. In that time, my sister Stacy was standing to my left. I turned to hug her and was surprised that her spirit was as tangible as a physical body, because I knew I was in spirit and she was in spirit. She said she needed to show me some things, and we went to heaven. I later returned to my body. Because of this experience, I have access to heaven and the spirit world.
Since then, I have had many communications from people now living in heaven, including my children Tylee Ashland and Joshua Jackson, my sisters Stacy and Lolly, my aunts and uncles and my grandparents. I have had many communications with Jesus Christ, the savior of this world, and our Heavenly Parents. I've had many angelic visitors have come and communicated with me and even manifested themselves to me.
Because of these communications, I know for a fact that my children are happy and busy in the spirit world. Because of my communications with my friend Tammy Daybell, I know that she is also very happy and extremely busy. I have always mourned the loss of my loved ones, and I have lost many in this mortal world. However, I know more than most people know: Where they are now and what they're doing. I know how wonderful heaven is and I'm homesick for it every single day. I know we all lived in heaven before we were born on Earth and we were all adult spirits in the heavenly realm. We chose to come to earth as mortals. Heaven is more wonderful than you can possibly imagine. I do not fear death, but I look forward to it.
I did not want to return to my body when I was out of it, even though my son Colby, who I adored more than anything was only six years old at the time and I was about to give birth to this new baby girl that I wanted so badly. I was a young mother, and you would think I wouldn't want to leave my children, but as I stood in heaven I did not want to go back. I thought they would be fine without me, because I was peaceful and I was happy and I was home. But then I was told by Jesus that I needed to go back and complete things that I had covenanted or promised to do before I was born. This caused me a lot of distress because I knew heaven was my real home, and I only wanted to be there. I was free from pain -- emotional and physical -- but then I was shown how I would help my children and others in the future, so ultimately I did agree to go back to my body.
Tylee has visited me. She is happy and very busy. Tylee is free now from all the pains of her life. Tylee suffered horrible physical pain her whole life. I sat with Tylee in the hospital year after year after year while she screamed in pain when the morphine wasn't even enough to take away the pain of her pancreatitis. I sat there while she cried and I held back her hair while she threw up, and I am the only person on this Earth who knows how much Tylee suffered in her life. She had pain every single day. She never felt good. Her body did not work right, and I don't know if that was complications from me dying while she was being born or something else, but she had a very difficult life. She was sexually abused by her own biological father since she was three years old, and she was forced by family court to go visit him for ten years against her will. I fought for her in court. I protected her with my whole life. I tried to protect her. I worried about her every single day. Tylee had to get her GED because she couldn't go to school every day because she never felt good. She felt sick. Nobody knows this because Tylee, like myself, tries to put on a good front, tries to be a happy person, tries to have hope in life, tries to know that she's here for a purpose and that she has an eternal purpose to be on this earth, but I never stopped worrying aout her. One of the times Tylee came to me as a spirit after she died, she said-- she commanded me and she said to me "Stop worrying, Mom. We are fine." She knows how I worry and how I miss her.
The first time JJ visited me after he passed away, he put his arm around me, and he said to me, "You didn't do anything wrong, Mom. I love you, and I know you loved me every minute of my life." JJ -- Joshua Jackson -- was an adult spirit, and he was very, very tall when he put his arm around me. He is busy. He is engaged. He has jobs that he does there, and he is so happy where he is. His life was short, but JJ's life was meaningful. JJ was a wonderful person and touched the lives of everyone, and I adored him every minute of his life.
My eternal friend Tammy Daybell has visited me on several occasions. She came to bring me peace and comfort, and I know that she is extremely busy helping her family, especially her children and grandchildren, and I have a great love for Tammy.
My beautiful children Tylee Ashland and Joshua Jackson rest safely this day in the arms of Jesus. My wonderful friend Tammy Daybell rests safely this day in the arms of Jesus. And I look forward to the day when we are reunited and I, too, will rest with them in the arms of my Jesus.
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I would like to start by quoting John from the New Testament in the Bible. In John, chapter eight, verse seven, Jesus says, "ye that is without sin among you, let him cast-- first cast a stone at her. Then in verse fifteen, Jesus says, "ye judge after the flesh; I judge no man. And yet if I judge, my judgment is true."
Jesus knows me, and Jesus understand me. I mourn with all of you who mourn my children and Tammy. Jesus Christ knows the truth of what happened here. Jesus Christ knows that no one was murdered in this case. Accidental deaths happen. Suicides happen. Fatal side effects from medications happen.
I have a different perspective in life, because in 2002, when I was pregnant with Tylee, I died in the hospital while in labor with her. They tried to stop my labor. They put me on the table and put something in my IV and I felt my spirit falling to the floor. I was standing near my pregnant body watching the doctors trying to revive me, which took them a few minutes. In that time, my sister Stacy was standing to my left. I turned to hug her and was surprised that her spirit was as tangible as a physical body, because I knew I was in spirit and she was in spirit. She said she needed to show me some things, and we went to heaven. I later returned to my body. Because of this experience, I have access to heaven and the spirit world.
Since then, I have had many communications from people now living in heaven, including my children Tylee Ashland and Joshua Jackson, my sisters Stacy and Lolly, my aunts and uncles and my grandparents. I have had many communications with Jesus Christ, the savior of this world, and our Heavenly Parents. I've had many angelic visitors have come and communicated with me and even manifested themselves to me.
Because of these communications, I know for a fact that my children are happy and busy in the spirit world. Because of my communications with my friend Tammy Daybell, I know that she is also very happy and extremely busy. I have always mourned the loss of my loved ones, and I have lost many in this mortal world. However, I know more than most people know: Where they are now and what they're doing. I know how wonderful heaven is and I'm homesick for it every single day. I know we all lived in heaven before we were born on Earth and we were all adult spirits in the heavenly realm. We chose to come to earth as mortals. Heaven is more wonderful than you can possibly imagine. I do not fear death, but I look forward to it.
I did not want to return to my body when I was out of it, even though my son Colby, who I adored more than anything was only six years old at the time and I was about to give birth to this new baby girl that I wanted so badly. I was a young mother, and you would think I wouldn't want to leave my children, but as I stood in heaven I did not want to go back. I thought they would be fine without me, because I was peaceful and I was happy and I was home. But then I was told by Jesus that I needed to go back and complete things that I had covenanted or promised to do before I was born. This caused me a lot of distress because I knew heaven was my real home, and I only wanted to be there. I was free from pain -- emotional and physical -- but then I was shown how I would help my children and others in the future, so ultimately I did agree to go back to my body.
Tylee has visited me. She is happy and very busy. Tylee is free now from all the pains of her life. Tylee suffered horrible physical pain her whole life. I sat with Tylee in the hospital year after year after year while she screamed in pain when the morphine wasn't even enough to take away the pain of her pancreatitis. I sat there while she cried and I held back her hair while she threw up, and I am the only person on this Earth who knows how much Tylee suffered in her life. She had pain every single day. She never felt good. Her body did not work right, and I don't know if that was complications from me dying while she was being born or something else, but she had a very difficult life. She was sexually abused by her own biological father since she was three years old, and she was forced by family court to go visit him for ten years against her will. I fought for her in court. I protected her with my whole life. I tried to protect her. I worried about her every single day. Tylee had to get her GED because she couldn't go to school every day because she never felt good. She felt sick. Nobody knows this because Tylee, like myself, tries to put on a good front, tries to be a happy person, tries to have hope in life, tries to know that she's here for a purpose and that she has an eternal purpose to be on this earth, but I never stopped worrying aout her. One of the times Tylee came to me as a spirit after she died, she said-- she commanded me and she said to me "Stop worrying, Mom. We are fine." She knows how I worry and how I miss her.
The first time JJ visited me after he passed away, he put his arm around me, and he said to me, "You didn't do anything wrong, Mom. I love you, and I know you loved me every minute of my life." JJ -- Joshua Jackson -- was an adult spirit, and he was very, very tall when he put his arm around me. He is busy. He is engaged. He has jobs that he does there, and he is so happy where he is. His life was short, but JJ's life was meaningful. JJ was a wonderful person and touched the lives of everyone, and I adored him every minute of his life.
My eternal friend Tammy Daybell has visited me on several occasions. She came to bring me peace and comfort, and I know that she is extremely busy helping her family, especially her children and grandchildren, and I have a great love for Tammy.
My beautiful children Tylee Ashland and Joshua Jackson rest safely this day in the arms of Jesus. My wonderful friend Tammy Daybell rests safely this day in the arms of Jesus. And I look forward to the day when we are reunited and I, too, will rest with them in the arms of my Jesus.
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Just imagine how isolated she is going to be in the Pocatello prison — without any of the little amenities she has enjoyed in her local-yokel jail (not to mention the mental health facility where she could get her hair done). She will be pariah. She might even wind up in a worse institution in AZ. She’ll be ready to implode after a week there. But for the rest of her life? Hell on earth. I’m good with that.
I was beyond disgusted to hear the judge saying that the defense had filed a motion this weekend to not permit victim impact statements, or words to that effect. And to see JT interrupting the victim representatives today. He is so disrespectful of them IMO. I thought it at various times during trial too, regardless of whether he has a job to do, I think he oversteps the mark.
To continue this, had she been praying for forgiveness every single night and truly were seeking to repent, she would have taken responsibility for her actions. While murder is completely against everything her religion stands for, the process of seeking forgiveness in that religion requires taking responsibility for your actions. Her statement today would have been completely different if that were the case.
She is absolutely a pathological liar and wanted to be the center of attention!
That last part is MOO.
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IMO Lori uses her delusions as a shield and a weapon simultaneously. She is manufacturing them as they suit her needs. Even her mother said to Adam: Let her be, it's her coping mechanism, she's not hurting anyone by believing those things. How wrong she was.
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Yeah, I’m surprised she didn’t come right out and say she helped them to a better life in heaven with their very own spirits instead of being stuck on earth possessed by demons and physically IMPERFECT (a greater sin in Lori’s mind, probably, than murder). She hinted at that when describing Tylee’s medical problems. Back when the children were still thought to be missing, she told people they were safe, fine, happy. Maybe she even believed it. How warped does a brain have to be to see what happened to those children (leaving Tammy aside for a moment) and believe that was just jim-dandy?
I wonder if they’re going to find a loony bin to incarcerate her in eventually. It’s possible she will start literally screaming for attention and she’ll have to be taken out for the sanity of the prison staff and other inmates. I want to respect mental
illness as real and terrible, and its sufferers are of course entitled to proper treatment. But in this case? I’m having a real hard time applying any sympathy to this flat-out monster.
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During her NDE, and visit to heaven:
"...as I stood in heaven I did not want to go back. I thought [Colby and Tylee] would be fine without me, because I was peaceful and I was happy and I was home."
Can you imagine saying with a straight face that your child and your infant are fine without you, because YOU are at peace?
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