Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 16, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *Arrests* #49

[Emi]

Justin Lum @jlumfox10 45s

Continuing Daybell Preliminary Hearing thread here. We expect to see cross examination of Melanie Gibb as well as her boyfriend David Warwick taking the stand. FBI agents have also been subpoenaed & employee w/ Idaho State Police Forensice Services. #fox10phoenix

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I had mentioned several threads back, I have a friend who owns one (not any of the units involved but within the same complex) and rents it out. You most certainly can hear the neighbors when you’re inside hers. All jmo

Does your friend have a subfloor/crawlspace with ANOTHER space under like we heard that AC's did and that LE went back to look at? MOO

 

[dixiegirl1035]

None of Chad's family were in court yesterday. If they could believe some of his lies before, surely they'd draw a line at portraying Tammy as sickly when she was not. She also died in the middle of the night. How were her children there within 20 minutes? Mention of two coroners was an overkill as well.

Ummm, they live across the street?

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

Reposting Judge Eddins YouTube as the hearing day 2 begins shortly
https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCcuTARxsGcFI10CW63m6wGg
https://m.youtube.com/channel/UCcuTARxsGcFI10CW63m6wGg

 

[CSIDreamer]

MG and DW have arrived. I'm noting MG is wearing a black skirt, white top, pink sweater. She seems to be in good spirits. Sheriff escort to inside courthouse.

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

Does your friend have a subfloor/crawlspace with ANOTHER space under like we heard that AC's did and that LE went back to look at? MOO

Theirs has a crawl space type area. Some people store stuff in it, mostly holiday decorations or camping things. Not sure if they all are the same inside though. All jmo

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Judge's zoom feed is live now... looking at the ceiling, yet live

 

[Campizi67]

I see! It puts AXC at risk because he tells. My comment, how? was in relation to how could LV and CD cause AxC's death when they were (supposedly) in Hawaii?

Thanks for clarifying. If in fact they were in Hawaii when AxC died, and by all appearances they were, they could not have physically harmed AxC.

So, here is another thought.... was someone else involved in the covering up of the children's disappearance....

I think so, but there have been no other arrests so it is only my opinion.....

Or, AxC's death was purely coincidental... idk I'm just not feeling it...

 

[dixiegirl1035]

READ: Probable cause documents related to Lori Vallow Daybell's new charges | East Idaho News
Start at point #27 in the document

Yes, that speaks to timeline for Tylee. I don't see JJ timeline. Am I missing something? And yes, I went to point #27..

 

[CSIDreamer]

Looked like the "bug-out bag" that I hear so often about, in case the end comes and you have to escape quickly.

I can't remember where you're from, sorry. It isn't unusual at all for people to carry backpacks. MG and DW probably share a bag (he was carrying it this morning). Snacks, drinks, misc stuff. Jmo

 

[dixiegirl1035]

I'm not convinced she will testify. She was in the courtroom all day. Jmo

MOO, you betcha she will testify at trial.

Prelim, no.

 

[Tortoise]

Subject:- MG

I'm bothered by a few details.

I will go back and listen again to her testimony, because I may have it wrong, but I think there are discrepancies. This is what I think I heard her say -

1. That she initiated contact with detective Pillar after ignoring the calls/texts from RPD.
2. That she told him she did have JJ but LV had picked him up.
3. That she decided to go to the police in December after the phone call she recorded on December 8th.

Looking through the affidavit for LVD's initial arrest I see it records that -

1. Detective Pillar initiated the contact with her.
2. She told him JJ wasn't staying at her Arizona house and had not been there for several months. No mention of having had him that day in Utah.
3. She contacted RPD on December 6th and said that she had declined LV and CD's requests to lie to police that she had JJ.

I suppose it could be that she had telephone contact with RPD on December 6th and then decided to make the recording and actually took the disk to police after December 8th. Was she playing Det. Pillar off against RPD?

So I've transcribed that part of her testimony:

2:57:54 in video

RW: After receiving these phone calls how did that make you feel?
MG: Horrible. I felt in shock. I was not okay with it because she told something to the police that was not true, which I had no knowledge of, so I was, I had a really bad feeling in my stomach and I felt very shooken up by it.
RW: Do you know if the Rexburg police attempted to contact you that day?
MG: They did.
RW: How did they try to contact you?
MG: They tried calling me and once I believe they left a text.
RW: And did you respond to them that day?
MG: Not the Rexburg police, I did not.
RW: How come? Is there a reason?
MG: Well first of all Chad tells me not to answer it and then Lori tells me that her child is in danger, so I’m not sure what to believe or understand what’s going on this time, I’m very confused.
RW: Did you speak to any law enforcement that day?
MG: Yes.
RW: Do you know which law enforcement agency you spoke with that day?
MG: Gilbert police.
RW: Do you recall if there was a specific individual you spoke with that day from Gilbert police?
MG: Officer Ryan Pillar.
RW: What contact did you have with officer Pillar that day?
MG: He called me and left a message and I returned his phone call.
RW: What was the nature of your conversation with officer Pillar?
MG: He was responding to the Rexburg police and was asking about JJ and his whereabouts.
RW: What did you tell him?
MG: I told him that I had been with JJ but that he was back with Lori.
RW: When you said you had been with him what did you mean by that?
MG: That he was with me and then she came to get him. So that it would turn the police back to Rexburg and not with me, because I…[trails off into a shrug]
RW: Miss Gibb had you recently had JJ with you?
MG: No.
RW: So when you told Detective Pillar that you had, was that an accurate statement?
MG: No, it was not.
RW: Did you believe that JJ was actually with Lori at that time?
MG: I was not sure.
RW: So was that pursuant to the knowledge you had was that an accurate statement?
MG: Yeah.
RW: But did you also tell detective Pillar that JJ was not with you?
MG: Correct.
RW: And was that an accurate statement?
MG: Yes.
RW: Is there a reason you told Detective Pillar you had had him?
MG: Yes. Because Lori was misleading and she was manipulating me or trying to convince me that he and she was in danger and so because of our friendship I thought I have really no idea if this could be true or not. And I was very perplexed, very troubled and I really did not know what to do. I was trying to reconcile all these feelings I had.
RW: Did you have any subsequent contact with the Gilbert PD?
MG: Yes.
RW: Do you recall approximately when that was?
MG: I believe it was December 7th or 8th.
RW: What contact did you have with the Gilbert PD?
MG: I called officer Pillar and I informed him who I was and that, probably a lot more detail about the conversation about what happened about JJ and Lori and Chad, and I also had something that I had recorded that I wanted to give to him.
RW: What had you recorded that you wanted to give to Officer Pillar?
MG: I recorded a conversation with Chad and Lori on Chad Daybell’s phone, about 21 minute conversation, and that conversation was about where was JJ, the conversation talked about why did you tell the police that I had JJ when I did not, and she explained that, and I also explained to her my concern for her salvation and Chad’s, and that they had been very deceived, and I also wanted to make sure that the police knew that I did not have anything to do with this.
RW: How did you record that conversation?
MG: On a cell phone.
RW: You mentioned earlier the conversation was with Chad’s number?
MG: Correct.
RW: Was that the same number you discussed earlier?
MG: Correct.
RW: What phone did you use to have this conversation?
MG: My phone and then I had a recorder phone on David Warwick’s and so I put my phone on speaker and then I recorded it with his phone.
RW: Had law enforcement asked you to record a conversation with Mrs Vallow or Mr Daybell?
MG: No.
RW: So this was something you did of your own accord?
MG: Yes.
RW: Do you remember, maybe you already answered this, what day you made that recording?
MG: December 8th.
RW: Where were you located when you made that recording?
MG: I was in David Warwick’s home.
RW: Is that the same home in Pleasant Grove Utah?
MG: Yes.

Disk is played – begins:

“This is a recording on December 8th at 3:43pm and I am calling Chad Daybell’s phone number and hopefully I’ll be talking to both of them, Chad and Lori. So here goes the phone call"…

CD: Hello sweet Melanie
MG: Hi Chad, hey Lori
CD: Let me put you on speaker

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I see problems with her credibility.

She complains about not being okay with LVD lying to police, but then lies to them herself.
She lied to police twice - even after thinking it through - first on Nov 26th when she said she had JJ and LVD came to get him, second on Dec 6th (according to the affidavit which says she called RPD and told them she had declined to lie for LVD and CD).
She is vague in her testimony about the date she called Det. Pillar but knows the exact date she recorded the call.
She is untruthful in her testimony (IMO) when she says now that what she told Det. Pillar on Nov 26th was accurate that she believed JJ was with LVD.
She didn't raise with LVD on the call the lies LVD had told her about taking JJ to the airport and telling Kay she had cancer, or their discussions in September about sending JJ to Kay's.

I think her call to police after December 8th was self-serving, according to what she testified, and I believe that was more important to her than whether the children were safe.

I see her being pulled apart by a fastidious attorney.

moo

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Didn't she say she slept somewhere else? Not at Lori's townhouse? Jmo

She testified yesterday she slept upstairs at Lori's condo, and came down in the am.

MOO

 

[kshultz06082]

@mods should a new thread be started for day 2?

 

[dixiegirl1035]

Will MG face any kind of legal troubles from lying, hindering, or misleading law enforcement in the locating of JJ and Tylee?

MOO, nope.

Prosecution doesn't want to put someone on the stand with such a charge for a trial. She has too much to give to not "forgive" her.

 

[indicolite22]

Ummm, they live across the street?

IIRC, no children were there in the middle of the night when Tammy died and not all lived close.

 

[Nikynoo]

Thanks for clarifying. If in fact they were in Hawaii when AxC died, and by all appearances they were, they could not have physically harmed AxC.

So, here is another thought.... was someone else involved in the covering up of the children's disappearance....

I think so, but there have been no other arrests so it is only my opinion.....

Or, AxC's death was purely coincidental... idk I'm just not feeling it...

BBM, me neither!!

 

[Nikynoo]

IIRC, no children were there in the middle of the night when Tammy died and not all lived close.

I think the eldest still lived at home. The one who was mentioned in the recorded call yesterday. IIRC he lived in the basement area of the property.

 

[Emi]

Justin Lum [URL='https://twitter.com/jlumfox10']@jlumfox10 [/URL]8m

But first, this “newsletter” allegedly written by Chad Daybell on 3/7/19. It talks about his vision of “a night of fire” couple months after a St. George Church burned in Utah. The doc says characters in his books are based on his kids & the villains are based on real people too.









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https://twitter.com/jlumfox10/status/1290660708049461254

 

[Emi]

here is the stream link for today