Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, Tylee Ryan, 16, Tammy Daybell, 49, Charles Vallow, 62, Oct 2019 *Arrests* #63

[887sMtreme]

As was pointed out by others, one interesting thing is they did keep their clothes on, possibly until they were legally married...not many adulterous couples do that.

Damning with faint praise!

I'm not 'praising' them <modsnip> I'm pointing out the absurdity, but I was too subtle.

It appears they did have genuine religious beliefs that made it some sort of 'sin' to commit some sort of 'full' adultery by having sexual intercourse. And yet it appears they did not consider it a sin to kill people.

Satchie, my comment was intended as an offhand joke. I’m deeply sorry that it offended you.

 

[fred&edna]

And this is why I truly hope and do believe the prosecution will focus on the money, the money, the money....and will downplay the religious aspects.
There is so much premeditated fraud, greed, and murder.... and it was so often a way to get to money, or greedily just to get people out of their way.

Go for the money trail.

Keep the religious shanigans as a muted background...

THIS!!

 

[SleuthD-o-doubleg]

Local update: MM and JA were not at the women’s detention center today

 

[Shadow@light]

Local update: MM was at the women’s detention center Tuesday, MM and JA were not at the women’s detention center for Wednesday.

*Real life stuff, still popping by to read when I can but I haven’t forgotten about you all.

Thank you, for keeping us up to date Sleuth-odoubleg.
Let me know if you need to boast me over the wall.

 

[StarrChance]

Well, I for one was deeply moved by Chad's extraordinary literary tribute to His Goddess. The depth of his prose, the wit -- "16 layers of clothing" -- and his deep, nay, profound grasp of human psychological complexity won me over. The man is a modern Proust of warm loins, and for me this work stands only below "Sexton: Creepy Recollections of a Gravedigging Dork" within the CD oeuvre.

I look forward to the heartbreaking sequel, "Goddess Incompetent," a close-to-the-bone multi-part novel that blends an historic love story his searing indictment of how the Righteous 144,000 are cruelly and unfairly singled out by the modern prison justice system, simply because they are cowardly, amoral, self-regarding, lying, grifting premeditating multiple child and spouse murderers.

Do we spy a Nobel in the offing? Dear readers, only time, and sentence lengths, will tell.

Pray tell !

 

[887sMtreme]

What is it with Chad Daybell (however he spells it) and giggling? I can’t even.

Chad Daybell called funeral home hours after Charles Vallow was killed, police reports show - East Idaho News

 

[Tortoise]

WHAT HEART??

Exactly so. I think it's a revealing text exchange.

"Lori: I just got the letter from the insurance company saying that I am not the beneficiary. It's a spear thru my heart. Who do you think he changed it to?? Brandon?? Or probably Kay?? He left nothing for JJ!!

Chad: Wow. That's terrible. There is no way to find out?

Lori: I might be able to see when I get his computer on Sunday. I could check the emails sent to the insurance company. It will show change of beneficiary. He must have done it recently !

Chad: It seems you would have had to agree to the change. Maybe your name was forged. You should have a good paper trail to prove it.

Chad: I love you. This is terrible, but it is probably another step in bringing down the Gadiantons, especially Brandon.

Lori: Nope. He can change it any time he wants. He's the agent and anyone can change their beneficiary any time with their own signature. I'm thinking it must be Kay.

Chad: Hmmm. It will be interesting if it got changed after he had two bullets in his chest.

Lori: I don't think it could have. U can't change it after the death date. They would review that.

Chad: Yes, I'm thinking Kay as well. She is probably freaking out that you got those computers. I'm going to shower and give you a blessing. I'm eager to get home so we can talk. It really will be okay, my love. You are wonderful."

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Text messages between Lori-he-was-trying-to-kill-me-for-my-insurance-Vallow and Chad-I've-been-framed-'Dabel'

I interpret their words to mean -

1. Lori: It's a spear thru my heart = she actually had a love connection with the money.

2. Lori: He left nothing for JJ!! = She did not truly believe Charles was possessed, Ned Schneider, or any other name they had for him.

3. Chad: Wow. That's terrible. = Chad didn't believe Charles was a zombie either.

4. Chad: I love you. = Chad wasn't motivated by the money, he was motivated by the sex.

5. Chad: Yes, I'm thinking Kay as well. She is probably freaking out that you got those computers. = Chad misreads what Lori's written about Kay being the beneficiary and thinks Kay changed the beneficiary, and they'll be able to prove it with Charles's computer.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Exactly so. I think it's a revealing text exchange.


I interpret their words to mean -

1. Lori: It's a spear thru my heart = she actually had a love connection with the money.

2. Lori: He left nothing for JJ!! = She did not truly believe Charles was possessed, Ned Schneider, or any other name they had for him.

3. Chad: Wow. That's terrible. = Chad didn't believe Charles was a zombie either.

4. Chad: I love you. = Chad wasn't motivated by the money, he was motivated by the sex.

5. Chad: Yes, I'm thinking Kay as well. She is probably freaking out that you got those computers. = Chad misreads what Lori's written about Kay being the beneficiary and thinks Kay changed the beneficiary, and they'll be able to prove it with Charles's computer.

When I read Chad’s responses he sounds dumb. I mean really ignorant about life.

 

[shotgun09]

My definition of a sinking ship ( in a courtroom ) :

Mark Redwine's gross diaper pics

Chad Daybell's soft novel

 

[Forever Young]

A post I made yesterday was deleted for not providing a link for some statements I made as fact. I pulled the statements from my memory, hoping to jog some other memories. I did provide a source, though not a link.

It made me go back and review the court documents that were obtained by WTAF in March through July of 2020 to make sure I was remembering correctly. My source is a 1771 page PDF and another link also from WTAF.

These documents were legally obtained by WTAF and were discussed on Tricia's YouTube channel with Aimee, who was with WTAF at the time. I believe Tricia gave permission for their discussion here.

The documents show an emerging and continuing pattern of manipulation and gaslighting of not just children, but everyone around Lori Vallow, that continued to escalate until the death of Joseph Ryan.

How Lori deals with the courts is shown: constant gaslighting, blatant refusal to obey court orders, and having her lawyer citing inappropriate law to the court to delay, to the point that one lawyer asked to be withdrawn from the case. This was after attorney Edwin Terry started acting strange, then died.

There is documentation of an attempt to find the guardian ad litems for Tylee incompetent and allegations that one was sick and dying. These are the same GALs who appeared on Dateline 10+ years after allegations were made.

The original question was regarding how much Charles knew about what happened to Joseph Ryan.

Charles is a murder victim, as was likely Joseph Ryan, (along with Tylee, JJ, and Tammy). I understand the sensitivity for all the victims, but feel that the truth should not be denied that CV had knowledge of much of what was going on with JR and participated in his harassment.

Statements I made are sourced from these sites and pages:

Unauthorized medication, unauthorized invasive procedure, provacative photo, video cameras installed:
Charles Vallow: The Untold Story Part Two | WTAF

1771 page pdf of court documents are here:
Dropbox - WTAFvallowDocuments.pdf - Simplify your life

For navigation purposes:

page 65 of 1771 Lori's complaint against Joe
pg 75 of 1771 Lori's affadavit
pg 85 discharge and substitution of Lori's lawyer to Edwin Terry pg 100 substitution of John Hindera and discharge of Edwin Terry
pg 169 death of Edwin Terry
pg 172 petition to remove GAL
pg 196-213 allegations that GAL is sick and dying
page 282 of 1771 Tylee says, Yes, Colby and Charles
615 of 1771 Charles avoids subpoena
821 and 826 of 1771 two trucks stalk Joe Ryan at Kids Exchange
pg 916 request for withdrawl from case by Lori's attorney John Hindera, states unable to effectively communicate with client
pg 984 Joe Ryan email to Charles and Lori
pg 1068 Charles assaulted lawyer's wife and threatens Cheryl Wheeler's husband
pg 1082 and 1085 Mrs. Vallow reports on stepson/Mr. Vallow assaulted Ms. Hindera, his own lawyer's wife
pg 1105 discharge of Hindera, replaced by Karl Hays
pg 1332 Alex Cox taser incident at Kids Exchange
pg 1333/1364/1372 Joe reports tailgating and assault incident
pg 1440 -1441/1446/1617-1620 Joe's visitation terminated by Lori and Charles
pg 1466 permanent injunction against Charles
pg 1472 recommendation that Tylee be removed from home
pg 1476 personal safety concern of visitation supervisor

 

[nyvictoria]

A post I made yesterday was deleted for not providing a link for some statements I made as fact. I pulled the statements from my memory, hoping to jog some other memories. I did provide a source, though not a link.

It made me go back and review the court documents that were obtained by WTAF in March through July of 2020 to make sure I was remembering correctly. My source is a 1771 page PDF and another link also from WTAF.

These documents were legally obtained by WTAF and were discussed on Tricia's YouTube channel with Aimee, who was with WTAF at the time. I believe Tricia gave permission for their discussion here.

The documents show an emerging and continuing pattern of manipulation and gaslighting of not just children, but everyone around Lori Vallow, that continued to escalate until the death of Joseph Ryan.

How Lori deals with the courts is shown: constant gaslighting, blatant refusal to obey court orders, and having her lawyer citing inappropriate law to the court to delay, to the point that one lawyer asked to be withdrawn from the case. This was after attorney Edwin Terry started acting strange, then died.

There is documentation of an attempt to find the guardian ad litems for Tylee incompetent and allegations that one was sick and dying. These are the same GALs who appeared on Dateline 10+ years after allegations were made.

The original question was regarding how much Charles knew about what happened to Joseph Ryan.

Charles is a murder victim, as was likely Joseph Ryan, (along with Tylee, JJ, and Tammy). I understand the sensitivity for all the victims, but feel that the truth should not be denied that CV had knowledge of much of what was going on with JR and participated in his harassment.

Statements I made are sourced from these sites and pages:

Unauthorized medication, unauthorized invasive procedure, provacative photo, video cameras installed:
Charles Vallow: The Untold Story Part Two | WTAF

1771 page pdf of court documents are here:
Dropbox - WTAFvallowDocuments.pdf - Simplify your life

For navigation purposes:

page 65 of 1771 Lori's complaint against Joe
pg 75 of 1771 Lori's affadavit
pg 85 discharge and substitution of Lori's lawyer to Edwin Terry pg 100 substitution of John Hindera and discharge of Edwin Terry
pg 169 death of Edwin Terry
pg 172 petition to remove GAL
pg 196-213 allegations that GAL is sick and dying
page 282 of 1771 Tylee says, Yes, Colby and Charles
615 of 1771 Charles avoids subpoena
821 and 826 of 1771 two trucks stalk Joe Ryan at Kids Exchange
pg 916 request for withdrawl from case by Lori's attorney John Hindera, states unable to effectively communicate with client
pg 984 Joe Ryan email to Charles and Lori
pg 1068 Charles assaulted lawyer's wife and threatens Cheryl Wheeler's husband
pg 1082 and 1085 Mrs. Vallow reports on stepson/Mr. Vallow assaulted Ms. Hindera, his own lawyer's wife
pg 1105 discharge of Hindera, replaced by Karl Hays
pg 1332 Alex Cox taser incident at Kids Exchange
pg 1333/1364/1372 Joe reports tailgating and assault incident
pg 1440 -1441/1446/1617-1620 Joe's visitation terminated by Lori and Charles
pg 1466 permanent injunction against Charles
pg 1472 recommendation that Tylee be removed from home
pg 1476 personal safety concern of visitation supervisor

I was just looking for these docs the other day. Thanks for the link.

 

[Knox]

I listened to Adam's call with the Chandler Detective yesterday. I was deeply disturbed by what he revealed about JC and SS's reaction to Charles' death. The interview those two did back in May 2020, was fake and unbelievable. But to hear JC was angry at Adam and thought he was trying to get Lori in trouble with the church and betrayed the family? That Charles deserved what he got? Lori isn't really doing anything wrong? I guess with the exception of murder, the apple didn't fall far from the tree. All the while still going to temple ...

 

[nhmemorymaker]

A post I made yesterday was deleted for not providing a link for some statements I made as fact. I pulled the statements from my memory, hoping to jog some other memories. I did provide a source, though not a link.

It made me go back and review the court documents that were obtained by WTAF in March through July of 2020 to make sure I was remembering correctly. My source is a 1771 page PDF and another link also from WTAF.

These documents were legally obtained by WTAF and were discussed on Tricia's YouTube channel with Aimee, who was with WTAF at the time. I believe Tricia gave permission for their discussion here.

The documents show an emerging and continuing pattern of manipulation and gaslighting of not just children, but everyone around Lori Vallow, that continued to escalate until the death of Joseph Ryan.

How Lori deals with the courts is shown: constant gaslighting, blatant refusal to obey court orders, and having her lawyer citing inappropriate law to the court to delay, to the point that one lawyer asked to be withdrawn from the case. This was after attorney Edwin Terry started acting strange, then died.

There is documentation of an attempt to find the guardian ad litems for Tylee incompetent and allegations that one was sick and dying. These are the same GALs who appeared on Dateline 10+ years after allegations were made.

The original question was regarding how much Charles knew about what happened to Joseph Ryan.

Charles is a murder victim, as was likely Joseph Ryan, (along with Tylee, JJ, and Tammy). I understand the sensitivity for all the victims, but feel that the truth should not be denied that CV had knowledge of much of what was going on with JR and participated in his harassment.

Statements I made are sourced from these sites and pages:

Unauthorized medication, unauthorized invasive procedure, provacative photo, video cameras installed:
Charles Vallow: The Untold Story Part Two | WTAF

1771 page pdf of court documents are here:
Dropbox - WTAFvallowDocuments.pdf - Simplify your life

For navigation purposes:

page 65 of 1771 Lori's complaint against Joe
pg 75 of 1771 Lori's affadavit
pg 85 discharge and substitution of Lori's lawyer to Edwin Terry pg 100 substitution of John Hindera and discharge of Edwin Terry
pg 169 death of Edwin Terry
pg 172 petition to remove GAL
pg 196-213 allegations that GAL is sick and dying
page 282 of 1771 Tylee says, Yes, Colby and Charles
615 of 1771 Charles avoids subpoena
821 and 826 of 1771 two trucks stalk Joe Ryan at Kids Exchange
pg 916 request for withdrawl from case by Lori's attorney John Hindera, states unable to effectively communicate with client
pg 984 Joe Ryan email to Charles and Lori
pg 1068 Charles assaulted lawyer's wife and threatens Cheryl Wheeler's husband
pg 1082 and 1085 Mrs. Vallow reports on stepson/Mr. Vallow assaulted Ms. Hindera, his own lawyer's wife
pg 1105 discharge of Hindera, replaced by Karl Hays
pg 1332 Alex Cox taser incident at Kids Exchange
pg 1333/1364/1372 Joe reports tailgating and assault incident
pg 1440 -1441/1446/1617-1620 Joe's visitation terminated by Lori and Charles
pg 1466 permanent injunction against Charles
pg 1472 recommendation that Tylee be removed from home
pg 1476 personal safety concern of visitation supervisor

thank you, thank you.......... your persistence is so appreciated. These are very important docs.

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I listened to Adam's call with the Chandler Detective yesterday. I was deeply disturbed by what he revealed about JC and SS's reaction to Charles' death. The interview those two did back in May 2020, was fake and unbelievable. But to hear JC was angry at Adam and thought he was trying to get Lori in trouble with the church and betrayed the family? That Charles deserved what he got? Lori isn't really doing anything wrong? I guess with the exception of murder, the apple didn't fall far from the tree. All the while still going to temple ...

ya know.... with more and more cases that are riddles with "evil".... I really think the word "family" is highly overrated............

 

[Ruminations]

A post I made yesterday was deleted for not providing a link for some statements I made as fact. I pulled the statements from my memory, hoping to jog some other memories. I did provide a source, though not a link.

It made me go back and review the court documents that were obtained by WTAF in March through July of 2020 to make sure I was remembering correctly. My source is a 1771 page PDF and another link also from WTAF.

These documents were legally obtained by WTAF and were discussed on Tricia's YouTube channel with Aimee, who was with WTAF at the time. I believe Tricia gave permission for their discussion here.

The documents show an emerging and continuing pattern of manipulation and gaslighting of not just children, but everyone around Lori Vallow, that continued to escalate until the death of Joseph Ryan.

How Lori deals with the courts is shown: constant gaslighting, blatant refusal to obey court orders, and having her lawyer citing inappropriate law to the court to delay, to the point that one lawyer asked to be withdrawn from the case. This was after attorney Edwin Terry started acting strange, then died.

There is documentation of an attempt to find the guardian ad litems for Tylee incompetent and allegations that one was sick and dying. These are the same GALs who appeared on Dateline 10+ years after allegations were made.

The original question was regarding how much Charles knew about what happened to Joseph Ryan.

Charles is a murder victim, as was likely Joseph Ryan, (along with Tylee, JJ, and Tammy). I understand the sensitivity for all the victims, but feel that the truth should not be denied that CV had knowledge of much of what was going on with JR and participated in his harassment.

Statements I made are sourced from these sites and pages:

Unauthorized medication, unauthorized invasive procedure, provacative photo, video cameras installed:
Charles Vallow: The Untold Story Part Two | WTAF

1771 page pdf of court documents are here:
Dropbox - WTAFvallowDocuments.pdf - Simplify your life

For navigation purposes:

page 65 of 1771 Lori's complaint against Joe
pg 75 of 1771 Lori's affadavit
pg 85 discharge and substitution of Lori's lawyer to Edwin Terry pg 100 substitution of John Hindera and discharge of Edwin Terry
pg 169 death of Edwin Terry
pg 172 petition to remove GAL
pg 196-213 allegations that GAL is sick and dying
page 282 of 1771 Tylee says, Yes, Colby and Charles
615 of 1771 Charles avoids subpoena
821 and 826 of 1771 two trucks stalk Joe Ryan at Kids Exchange
pg 916 request for withdrawl from case by Lori's attorney John Hindera, states unable to effectively communicate with client
pg 984 Joe Ryan email to Charles and Lori
pg 1068 Charles assaulted lawyer's wife and threatens Cheryl Wheeler's husband
pg 1082 and 1085 Mrs. Vallow reports on stepson/Mr. Vallow assaulted Ms. Hindera, his own lawyer's wife
pg 1105 discharge of Hindera, replaced by Karl Hays
pg 1332 Alex Cox taser incident at Kids Exchange
pg 1333/1364/1372 Joe reports tailgating and assault incident
pg 1440 -1441/1446/1617-1620 Joe's visitation terminated by Lori and Charles
pg 1466 permanent injunction against Charles
pg 1472 recommendation that Tylee be removed from home
pg 1476 personal safety concern of visitation supervisor

Thank you for this.

This case has oodles of themes; one is flawed, mortal humanity vs. immortal gods. (Lol, i just corrected that spelling from immoral gods, which works ,too!)

Murder victims are humans. They don’t have to be perfect to deserve justice.

For that matter, people who do bad things are not purely evil. Even if they have been victims, too, or had good actions or intentions doesn’t mean that they avoid consequences. But they are humans.

 

[Ruminations]

One of the things that puzzles me about ZP's interview is that the police don't seem to know what's on her phone! She revealed new information about texts and a phone number belonging to Chad that they didn't know about before. I'm literally gobsmacked by that. And she said her granddaughter had deleted a load of stuff! Yet she says she bought a new phone because (can't remember off the top of my head if Gilbert or Chandler) police seized her phone when Alex died. Surely Rexburg LE should have obtained a search warrant or she should have volunteered a download of her phone.

I think a lot of those Spring interviews were more about developing prosecution strategy. Finding out who was inclined to help justice progress, who would have to be strong armed for fulsome truthful testimony, and whether strong arming or discarding the witness is a better strategy.

MOO and speculation

 

[fred&edna]

Thank you for this.

This case has oodles of themes; one is flawed, mortal humanity vs. immortal gods. (Lol, i just corrected that spelling from immoral gods, which works ,too!)

Murder victims are humans. They don’t have to be perfect to deserve justice.

For that matter, people who do bad things are not purely evil. Even if they have been victims, too, or had good actions or intentions doesn’t mean that they avoid consequences. But they are humans.

I agree with one exception. I believe there are some humans who are purely evil (no redeeming qualities).

 

[Trebor5591]

A post I made yesterday was deleted for not providing a link for some statements I made as fact. I pulled the statements from my memory, hoping to jog some other memories. I did provide a source, though not a link.

It made me go back and review the court documents that were obtained by WTAF in March through July of 2020 to make sure I was remembering correctly. My source is a 1771 page PDF and another link also from WTAF.

These documents were legally obtained by WTAF and were discussed on Tricia's YouTube channel with Aimee, who was with WTAF at the time. I believe Tricia gave permission for their discussion here.

The documents show an emerging and continuing pattern of manipulation and gaslighting of not just children, but everyone around Lori Vallow, that continued to escalate until the death of Joseph Ryan.

How Lori deals with the courts is shown: constant gaslighting, blatant refusal to obey court orders, and having her lawyer citing inappropriate law to the court to delay, to the point that one lawyer asked to be withdrawn from the case. This was after attorney Edwin Terry started acting strange, then died.

There is documentation of an attempt to find the guardian ad litems for Tylee incompetent and allegations that one was sick and dying. These are the same GALs who appeared on Dateline 10+ years after allegations were made.

The original question was regarding how much Charles knew about what happened to Joseph Ryan.

Charles is a murder victim, as was likely Joseph Ryan, (along with Tylee, JJ, and Tammy). I understand the sensitivity for all the victims, but feel that the truth should not be denied that CV had knowledge of much of what was going on with JR and participated in his harassment.

Statements I made are sourced from these sites and pages:

Unauthorized medication, unauthorized invasive procedure, provacative photo, video cameras installed:
Charles Vallow: The Untold Story Part Two | WTAF

1771 page pdf of court documents are here:
Dropbox - WTAFvallowDocuments.pdf - Simplify your life

For navigation purposes:

page 65 of 1771 Lori's complaint against Joe
pg 75 of 1771 Lori's affadavit
pg 85 discharge and substitution of Lori's lawyer to Edwin Terry pg 100 substitution of John Hindera and discharge of Edwin Terry
pg 169 death of Edwin Terry
pg 172 petition to remove GAL
pg 196-213 allegations that GAL is sick and dying
page 282 of 1771 Tylee says, Yes, Colby and Charles
615 of 1771 Charles avoids subpoena
821 and 826 of 1771 two trucks stalk Joe Ryan at Kids Exchange
pg 916 request for withdrawl from case by Lori's attorney John Hindera, states unable to effectively communicate with client
pg 984 Joe Ryan email to Charles and Lori
pg 1068 Charles assaulted lawyer's wife and threatens Cheryl Wheeler's husband
pg 1082 and 1085 Mrs. Vallow reports on stepson/Mr. Vallow assaulted Ms. Hindera, his own lawyer's wife
pg 1105 discharge of Hindera, replaced by Karl Hays
pg 1332 Alex Cox taser incident at Kids Exchange
pg 1333/1364/1372 Joe reports tailgating and assault incident
pg 1440 -1441/1446/1617-1620 Joe's visitation terminated by Lori and Charles
pg 1466 permanent injunction against Charles
pg 1472 recommendation that Tylee be removed from home
pg 1476 personal safety concern of visitation supervisor

Wow this is a huge cache of material...however, what does it reveal? Previously I had viewed Charles V. with sympathy as a victim. Now, I don't know. MOO. Even Tylee, God rest her soul, seems not so innocent due her role supporting the coverup of the murder of Charles. MOO. I am struggling to piece it all together, Is everyone associated with this case, (excluding Tammy D. and the child JJ) tainted?

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I agree with one exception. I believe there are some humans who are purely evil (no redeeming qualities).

i concluded this about Lori long ago.

regardless of the "good mother" comments. Just always felt it was an act. always.

 

[altojack]

Even Tylee, God rest her soul, seems not so innocent due her role supporting the coverup of the murder of Charles. MOO. I am struggling to piece it all together,

If you go to the media thread you'll find information there about the situation poor Tylee was in.

She was used by her mother from a very, very young age over a different matter.

Tylee was imo a replacement mother to JJ due to Lori wanting to have a life away from 'home and children'.

If I had been in Tylees situation and my mother said I was a zombie I would be terrified every day, knowing what happens to zombies but not knowing when it would happen. Tylee knew she was going to die because she heard her mother say she was a zombie. Can you imagine that?