ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, Tylee Ryan, 16, Tammy Daybell, 49, Charles Vallow, 62, Oct 2019 *Arrests* #66

[Campizi67]

Seconding this. I thought some people were reading between the lines after the latest Motion to Sever; not sure if that was explicitly stated. I did see his attorney’s argument for needing more time as he was still waiting Discovery materials, that more time was needed to interview and investigate potential witnesses the State might call, that he planned to introduce evidence and/or theories regarding Alex Cox and his relationship to Lori, etc.

If someone can point us to where it’s been reported that he is flipping on her I would also appreciate it. I too may have missed that. TIA.

Not necessarily reading between the lines....just a momentary observation with a bit of added humor/sarcasm after reading about LV's new motion.

Lori Vallow Daybell's attorneys ask judge to pause case and postpone trial - East Idaho News

ST. ANTHONY — Lori Vallow Daybell’s defense team is asking a judge to pause court proceedings in her case and postpone her trial. In a motion filed Monday, Jim Archibald and John Thomas, Daybell’s defense attorneys, requested District Judge Steven Boyce continue the trial and toll time limits in...

www.eastidahonews.com

 

[Love Never Fails]

Lori Vallow asks to pause case and postpone trial.

Video: Lori Vallow asks to pause case and postpone trial. | By Nate Eaton - Reporter | Facebook

She’s trying to decide if it’s time to claim incompetency again.

 

[pizzaman12]

I have lots of questions so would love to hear other thoughts.

Curious if this changes JP play. One of his past arguments to have the cases severed was the uncertainty of LV status and his client sitting in jail, and while CD had waived his right to a speedy trial, that time is not indefinite. Now, you're facing an issue where he could very easily argue that point should LV be sent back. However, he's getting ready to argue for another year instead to prepare at next week's motions hearing. Does that change?

If LV is deemed incompetent again, can she even waive her right for a speedy trial now since it was clear she was unwilling to when deemed competent?

If LV is unwilling to waive that right, how does it work when her own counsel is asking for a continuance. The language appeared different to me than last time. Last time I thought it was a request to stay the case. In this scenario isn't he also asking for a continuance on top of a pause?

I wouldn't be surprised to see the cases severed at this point. Now, is he just pushing to try to get DP off the table? What are the pros/cons for the state to drop that?

Certainly some interesting maneuvering and I feel like the wheels have fallen off for JB & the state. I'm not sure JB has many options here. Just my take

 

[CSIDreamer]

It looks like the Department of Health and Welfare isn't interested in housing LVD again. JMO

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=pfbid0kDQ52XZUTqRERTpjU2hcUvvYkaAJstzW7vNWztmCRkmPBLvDdJx23AWbiR32TJt2l&id=100044424966565

 

[BeckyF]

Poor Kay and Larry. Now they have to endure more delays and shenanigans by the defense. And wait longer to bury JJ.

 

[MTW2011]

Poor Kay and Larry. Now they have to endure more delays and shenanigans by the defense. And wait longer to bury JJ.

It is really sad and heartbreaking, but (and this is not meant to “defend” the defense) as Scott Reisch said yesterday in his video about this, the State themselves have recently filed for some more DNA testing. He asked things like “what on Earth are they doing?” and why have they been waiting THIS long, getting so close to a scheduled trial when it doesn’t appear to be anything that they recently uncovered through investigations.

If we take the Defense’s Motions out of the picture for a second, the State waiting so long for that testing, they still haven’t turned over the grand jury transcripts, haven’t given the Defense contact info for the potential 104 witnesses so they cannot even reach out and locate some of them for their own investigations,etc…..then they too are partly to blame for any further delay. If Defense was not asking for the trial to be pushed back for the reasons they’ve stated, the State is in my opinion GIVING them reasons to ask for it to be pushed back. The “Bill of Particulars” from each Defense side outlines a bunch of stuff they claim they still haven’t gotten yet. I too am asking myself the same question as Reisch is - what are they doing and waiting for?

I said in a previous post that Prior asked for Grand Jury transcript I think first in July 2021 and the Court ordered it to be prepared shortly after his request. As of last week he is still asking for what he has not received……why is that?! I know we don’t have or know the answers to that but it’s just so extremely disappointing. Asking additional rhetorical questions like are they purposefully delaying in handing over Discovery to the Defense? Are they just inexperienced as Scott Reisch said (video was linked to by another user a few posts back) and they don’t realize how much of a future issue they’re causing by not complying with these things within a timely manner?

Regardless of the reason or reasons, it still leads to the same conclusion, and it worries me that we have all of this stuff so far delaying everyone on this path towards justice. JMHO.

I really feel for the family members. Some of Kay and Larry’s public comments about releasing the bodies have made me wonder if the State through their w Advocates had even prepared them for some of this stuff (like that more delays could happen, that this trial may get pushed back). Just so, so sad.

 

[MTW2011]

Adding to my previous comment, when Larry recently spoke to Nate/EastIdahoNews and said “All I want to do is bury the kids. It’s been three years. JJ’s in a vault right here in town. He’s in a freezer. Come on, judge, let us have him so we can bury him,” Woodcock told EastIdahoNews.com. “Just give us the children. Let us do what is right.” Source article

I could not help but think that the State and/or victim’s advocates explained fully to the family as to why that hasn’t happened yet. He was filled with so much pain and raw emotion that I think may have came out differently if the State had prepared/explained some of this to them beforehand. I know in some jurisdictions the victim’s advocate(s) work to not just prepare family members for trial, explaining potential timelines and potential delays, as well as explaining why and how some things happen in the traditional court process so that they’re not left entirely in the dark about what is happening and why.

JMOO.

 

[fred&edna]

If LVD's defense actually includes the possibility of mental illness (as alluded to by S Reisch), I guess religious fervor will also be a factor.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Big boom

Vallow found competent, prosecutors to seek death penalty

Justin Lum of Fox 10 (@jlumfox10) reports that prosecutors in the Lori Vallow case have filed a notice of intent to seek the death penalty. Vallow is charged wi

nbc16.com

 

[fred&edna]

Big boom

Vallow found competent, prosecutors to seek death penalty

Justin Lum of Fox 10 (@jlumfox10) reports that prosecutors in the Lori Vallow case have filed a notice of intent to seek the death penalty. Vallow is charged wi

nbc16.com

Judge Steven Boyce has found that Vallow is fit to stand trial, as the Idaho Department of Health and Welfare has stated they do not intend to be a part of any further hearings or to take a position in the Vallow case.

 

[Gardenista]

Big boom

Vallow found competent, prosecutors to seek death penalty

Justin Lum of Fox 10 (@jlumfox10) reports that prosecutors in the Lori Vallow case have filed a notice of intent to seek the death penalty. Vallow is charged wi

nbc16.com

I'm confused. I thought we already knew this.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I'm confused. I thought we already knew this.

I'm thinking the Idaho dept of health recently washed their hands of her. They responded on Oct. 3. JMO

 

[BeachSky]

Big boom

Vallow found competent, prosecutors to seek death penalty

Justin Lum of Fox 10 (@jlumfox10) reports that prosecutors in the Lori Vallow case have filed a notice of intent to seek the death penalty. Vallow is charged wi

nbc16.com

So. All her court crazy smiley twitches fell flat. She is a really bad actress.

Bring it! Onward. Justice! MOO

 

[Love Never Fails]

Big boom

Vallow found competent, prosecutors to seek death penalty

Justin Lum of Fox 10 (@jlumfox10) reports that prosecutors in the Lori Vallow case have filed a notice of intent to seek the death penalty. Vallow is charged wi

nbc16.com

CSI,
Hi! This is wonderful news. Been following another case that hasn’t had good news.So I’m happy to read this.
So now I wonder who turns on the other first? I think CD has a head start.

 

[MTW2011]

I'm confused. I thought we already knew this.

Correct. I think this article is conflating several hearings and findings by the Court into one thing as if it all happened today/recently. Today was a Status hearing. There is still no Order on the docket (which would be there if the Court found that she was fit to proceed), there’s still no Order of Competency Evaluation, etc. The article starts by mentioning intent to seek Death Penalty which is not new to today either.

Until we see some of those types of things in the Docket, I personally do not think that this was all “found” (ruled upon) by the Court today. Sorry

 

[CSIDreamer]

CSI,
Hi! This is wonderful news. Been following another case that hasn’t had good news.So I’m happy to read this.
So now I wonder who turns on the other first? I think CD has a head start.

Hi!

I think he turns on her. Says she's obviously disturbed.

JMO

 

[BeckyF]

I'm confused. I thought we already knew this.

I’m confused also. We did already know this.

 

[MTW2011]

I'm thinking the Idaho dept of health recently washed their hands of her. They responded on Oct. 3. JMO

Oh, that’s an interesting take on it. I thought their filing was more that they did not want to be involved, did not plan to be involved, and would not be involved on 10/13 Motion(s) Hearing unless ordered to be or asked to be by the Court.

Here is their filing. Part of it says “Department does not intend to take a position or otherwise participate in the proceedings that are currently pending before the Court in this matter.
Therefore, the Department does not intend to further appear in said proceedings. The Department waives its appearance at any further hearings held in this criminal matter. If the Court requests the Department’s attendance at any proceeding, the Department requests permission to appear by telephone or by zoom video conference.

Furthermore, the Department’s interest in this matter is solely in protecting confidential information of the participants in the information requested and the Department will raise no objection to the Court reviewing and redacting any such information that the Court may deem confidential; or to the Court ordering the release of redacted material. The Department understands the relief requested in the Motion of Non-Party Movant to Unseal Court Documents and Transcripts or Recordings of Past Hearings and is not proposing any further action by the Department at this time.”


The red emphasis is mine, but that’s what made me think their response was about the Motions with Hellis because she is the “non-party movant” but that’s just my take on it.

 

[BeckyF]

Correct. I think this article is conflating several hearings and findings by the Court into one thing as if it all happened today/recently. Today was a Status hearing. There is still no Order on the docket (which would be there if the Court found that she was fit to proceed), there’s still no Order of Competency Evaluation, etc. The article starts by mentioning intent to seek Death Penalty which is not new to today either.

Until we see some of those types of things in the Docket, I personally do not think that this was all “found” (ruled upon) by the Court today. Sorry

I agree. This is really nothing new. She was already ruled competent.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Hi!

I think he turns on her. Says she's obviously disturbed.

JMO

Obi

Hi!

I think he turns on her. Says she's obviously disturbed.

JMO

Obviously. She is disturbed and manipulative. A goddess, right?

And Chad is a cheating, lying, deceitful crumb of a male who likely instructed her in how to kill Charles and her kids for money. I’m thankful CV changed his life insurance policy. CV was the only sane and sensible person in this whole nightmare.