ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, Tylee Ryan, 16, Tammy Daybell, 49, Charles Vallow, 62, Oct 2019 *Arrests* #66

[indicolite22]

In the past couple of days Scott Reisch reiterated that it was time for JP to leave his job to a public defender. "Everyday Joe cannot afford a death penalty case out of the pocket." SR suggests that for an effective assistance the defense has to hire various experts that would challenge evidence in this case, including cellphone analysis. Apparently the FBI is promoting a new methodology in that area.

 

[mickey2942]

Except in time people forget. Passions wane. Prosecution waivers. Deals are made. Time is on the side of LV and CD in this case and it matters. And it is sickening.

Respectfully Disagree. Isn't this a death penalty case? It isn't going anywhere. Sure, at some point they can deal to LWOP. Great. No problem as far as I am concerned. They are not going anywhere.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Respectfully Disagree. Isn't this a death penalty case? It isn't going anywhere. Sure, at some point they can deal to LWOP. Great. No problem as far as I am concerned. They are not going anywhere.

I was being “nice” in not saying what I really believe is happening. I believe time is on their side because of family/church/prosector/judge relations, and possible politics. That’s as far as I can go. I just don’t believe any of those involved really care to take this to trial. Meanwhile four people are dead and two are children.

And yes, it is a death penalty case, as it should be. But so? I don’t see anyone on fire to bring them to justice; well, with the exception of Nate Eaton. He was on them from the beginning. Good reporter!

 

[mickey2942]

I was being “nice” in not saying what I really believe is happening. I believe time is on their side because of family/church/prosector/judge relations, and possible politics. That’s as far as I can go. I just don’t believe any of those involved really care to take this to trial. Meanwhile four people are dead and two are children.

And yes, it is a death penalty case, as it should be. But so? I don’t see anyone on fire to bring them to justice; well, with the exception of Nate Eaton. He was on them from the beginning. Good reporter!

This is the same as the case in Florida. Nubia Barahona. Also death penalty case. Nubia was killed over a decade ago. Her killer, Jorge Barahona has made stalling his trial into an art form. He has changed attorneys several times. My opinion is that the State of Florida has zero interest in having a trial. They want him to take a plea deal. He won't.

FL - Nubia Barahona, 10, slain, twin injured, West Palm Beach, 11 Feb 2011 *Arrest*

Wednesday, Sept. 14th: *Status Hearing (@ 9:30am ET) – FL – Nubia Barahona (10) (missing Feb. 11, 2011, W. Palm Beach, found Feb. 14, 2011 soaked with chemicals in the back of her father’s truck along side Interstate 95 in Palm Beach County), (Victor (10) injured; had acid thrown on him; he was...

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[Love Never Fails]

This is the same as the case in Florida. Nubia Barahona. Also death penalty case. Nubia was killed over a decade ago. Her killer, Jorge Barahona has made stalling his trial into an art form. He has changed attorneys several times. My opinion is that the State of Florida has zero interest in having a trial. They want him to take a plea deal. He won't.

FL - Nubia Barahona, 10, slain, twin injured, West Palm Beach, 11 Feb 2011 *Arrest*

Wednesday, Sept. 14th: *Status Hearing (@ 9:30am ET) – FL – Nubia Barahona (10) (missing Feb. 11, 2011, W. Palm Beach, found Feb. 14, 2011 soaked with chemicals in the back of her father’s truck along side Interstate 95 in Palm Beach County), (Victor (10) injured; had acid thrown on him; he was...

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Thanks Niner for letting me know about this one. I hadn’t heard about it.

 

[Laughing]

The only real defense when a client is obviously guilty, is to stall, delay, and keep the focus on anything but the horrific crime of killing children.

To me, this stalling technique doesn't really matter, because CD and LVD are in jail, and neither one of them will be released. So really, they are just playing a game. It doesn't change anything. As long as they are kept in a cage, I am fine with their frivolous and lame attempts at delaying their trial date. The outcome is inevitable.

Frustrating, yes. And I feel like this is especially terrible for the Woodcocks, who continue to live with this case on a daily basis.

I know, I know, that is how defense attorneys do their jobs.

Now how does that lawyer proverb go?

When the law favors your client, pound the law.
When the facts favor your client, pound the facts.

When neither favors your client, pound the table.

Yeah, and file a motion that causes a delay. Then another...llr.

jmho ymmv lrr

 

[mickey2942]

Thanks Niner for letting me know about this one. I hadn’t heard about it.

The tragedy is how many cases, especially involving the deaths of children, just spin. If the perpetrator doesn't take a plea deal...then, as @Laughing stated above..."pound the table", because there isn't anywhere else to go.

 

[Love Never Fails]

The tragedy is how many cases, especially involving the deaths of children, just spin. If the perpetrator doesn't take a plea deal...then, as @Laughing stated above..."pound the table", because there isn't anywhere else to

Thanks Niner for letting me know about this one. I hadn’t heard about it.

I’m sorry. I thought I was quoting Niner. I’m following too many threads. I apologize.

 

[Love Never Fails]

The tragedy is how many cases, especially involving the deaths of children, just spin. If the perpetrator doesn't take a plea deal...then, as @Laughing stated above..."pound the table", because there isn't anywhere else to go.

I agree.

 

[Niner]

This is the same as the case in Florida. Nubia Barahona. Also death penalty case. Nubia was killed over a decade ago. Her killer, Jorge Barahona has made stalling his trial into an art form. He has changed attorneys several times. My opinion is that the State of Florida has zero interest in having a trial. They want him to take a plea deal. He won't.

FL - Nubia Barahona, 10, slain, twin injured, West Palm Beach, 11 Feb 2011 *Arrest*

Wednesday, Sept. 14th: *Status Hearing (@ 9:30am ET) – FL – Nubia Barahona (10) (missing Feb. 11, 2011, W. Palm Beach, found Feb. 14, 2011 soaked with chemicals in the back of her father’s truck along side Interstate 95 in Palm Beach County), (Victor (10) injured; had acid thrown on him; he was...

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He does have a plea/sounding hearing on 3/1/23 - so maybe a plea deal - ??

Sorry OT!

 

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[Countem]

Idaho court sets 'Doomsday mom' Lori Vallow's competency evaluation date

So-called Idaho 'doomsday mom' Lori Vallow, accused of killing her two kids, is facing a competency test on Nov. 9. The results of the test will determine the future of her trial.

news.yahoo.com

Lori Vallow will face a competency evaluation on Nov. 9, according to Fremont County, Idaho, court documents. [..] Meanwhile, Daybell has a hearing the next day, on Nov. 10, to determine whether his trial should be separated from his wife's.

 

[887sMtreme]

The only real defense when a client is obviously guilty, is to stall, delay, and keep the focus on anything but the horrific crime of killing children.

To me, this stalling technique doesn't really matter, because CD and LVD are in jail, and neither one of them will be released. So really, they are just playing a game. It doesn't change anything. As long as they are kept in a cage, I am fine with their frivolous and lame attempts at delaying their trial date. The outcome is inevitable.

Frustrating, yes. And I feel like this is especially terrible for the Woodcocks, who continue to live with this case on a daily basis.

I used to think the outcome was inevitable; now, I’m not so sure.

 

[Niner]

Wednesday, November 9th:
*Competency Evaluation Review Hearing (@ 4pm MT) – ID – Joshua Jaxon (JJ) Vallow (7) & Tylee Ashlyn Ryan (16) (JJ last seen Sept. 23, 2019 & Tylee on Sept. 9, 2019, Rexburg; found June 9, 2020 buried in Daybell’s yard in Salem, ID) – for *Lori Norene Vallow aka Lori Norene Daybell (46/now 49) arrested (in Kauai, Hawaii on 2/20/20) & indicted (5/25/21) & re-arraigned (4/19/22) with Count 1 (for Tylee): Conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder & grand theft by deception (for Daybell, Vallow & Alex Cox) & other co-conspirators. Count 2 (for Tylee): 1st degree murder. Count 3 (for JJ): Conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder & grand theft by deception. Count 4(for JJ): 1st degree murder. Count 5 (for Tammy): Conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder. Count 6 (for Tammy): Chad only: 1st Degree murder. Count 7: Lori only: Grand theft (related to social security survivor benefits allocated for the care of minors Tylee & JJ). Plead not guilty. DA will seek DP. Fremont County
Conspiracy to commit destruction, alteration or concealment of evidence charges dismissed without prejudice on 7/29/21. Fremont County
Trial was set to begin on 1/9/23 with jury selection. Trial was vacated on 10/6/22 by Judge Boyce.
Transferred to mental hospital on 6/24/21. Found competent on 4/1/22 & transferred custody (4/14/2) to the Madison County Detention facility. Idaho District Judge Steven W. Boyce suspended the case until Vallow’s competency can be determined on 10/6/22 & her 1/9/23 trial has been vacated.
Arrest & Grand Jury & Court info from 3/5/20 thru 10/18/22 reference post #749 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/t...-vallow-62-oct-2019-arrests-66.631271/page-38
10/25/22: Motion to seal State's motion to determine conflict. Order: to seal State's Motion to determine conflict. Notice of remote status conference hearing on 10/26/22 @ 11am. 10/26/22: Order to close & seal 10/26/22 status conference.
10/27/22: Order to close & seal the 10/28/22 hearing. Supplemental response to request for discovery. 10/28/22 Update: Motion to compel hearing on 10/28/22 at 1:30pm. 10/31/22 Update: The pretrial conference on 11/9/22 is vacated as Vallow now has a hearing scheduled for 11/9/22 for a competency evaluation review. This comes as her case is currently on hold. The hearing will be held remotely thru telephone or video conference.
*Madison County: Pretrial conference hearing on 8/17/21 & trial set to begin on 8/30/21 were both vacated.
*Chad Guy Daybell (53/now 54) – Next motions hearing on 11/10/22. Trial was set to begin on 1/9/23 was vacated.
*AZ – Indicted (6/24/21) & served (6/29/21) with conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder in the death of former husband Charles Vallow. A Maricopa County Attorney’s Office spokeswoman said in June that Lori’s case in Idaho will run its course before she faces the charge in Arizona. Maricopa County

 

[Shadowtrix]

Well, today will be interesting.

 

[indicolite22]

Kay Woodcock's latest comments:

Lori Vallow's mother-in-law reveals more on cult mom's 'dark spirit' beliefs

LORI Vallow’s ex-mother-in-law has slammed the cult mom’s “bulls**t” beliefs and insists she “knew what she was doing” when she allegedly killed two of her kids,…

www.the-sun.com

"Lori wasn't possessed, she knew exactly what she was doing," claimed Kay. "It was all about that cult.
"I know she could turn it on and off because she did it with Charles.
"She never brought any of that Doomsday s**t up to me. Never. Because she knows I would've told her, 'what the hell is wrong with you?'
...
Kay said: "I just want them to remain behind bars till they die, whether it's being put to death by the state of Idaho, or until they die of old age in prison.
"I don't care whichever way it is, and whatever it is I will accept it.

 

[155etta]

Kay Woodcock's latest comments:

Lori Vallow's mother-in-law reveals more on cult mom's 'dark spirit' beliefs

LORI Vallow’s ex-mother-in-law has slammed the cult mom’s “bulls**t” beliefs and insists she “knew what she was doing” when she allegedly killed two of her kids,…

www.the-sun.com

"Lori wasn't possessed, she knew exactly what she was doing," claimed Kay. "It was all about that cult.
"I know she could turn it on and off because she did it with Charles.
"She never brought any of that Doomsday s**t up to me. Never. Because she knows I would've told her, 'what the hell is wrong with you?'
...
Kay said: "I just want them to remain behind bars till they die, whether it's being put to death by the state of Idaho, or until they die of old age in prison.
"I don't care whichever way it is, and whatever it is I will accept it.

The Sun gets it wrong again. Since when is Kay Lori's mother-in-law?

 

[indicolite22]

The Sun gets it wrong again. Since when is Kay Lori's mother-in-law?

They must have inferred it from her being JJ's grandmother.

 

[Gardenista]

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Her brother-in-law Chad Daybell is behind bars, along with his wife Lori Vallow Daybell. They are the subjects of the Netflix Documentary #sinsofourmother . They are charged with murdering their spouses, and Lori's two children--Tylee Ryan and JJ Vallow. Their trial is scheduled 2023. #chaddaybell #heatherdaybell

 

[Niner]

Thursday, November 10th:
*Motions Hearing (to sever) (@ 9:30am MT) – ID – Joshua Jaxon (JJ) Vallow (7) & Tylee Ashlyn Ryan (16) (JJ last seen Sept. 23, 2019 & Tylee on Sept. 9, 2019, Rexburg; found June 9, 2020 buried in Daybell’s yard in Salem, ID) & Tamara “Tammy” Michelle Douglas Daybell (49) (died on Oct. 19, 2019 at her residence in Salem, ID; dob 5/4/70). – for *Chad Guy Daybell (53/now 54) arrested (6/9/20) & indicted (5/25/21) & charged (5/26/21) & arraigned (6/9/21) with Count 1 (for Tylee): Conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder & grand theft by deception (for Daybell, Vallow & Alex Cox) & other co-conspirators. Count 2 (for Tylee): 1st degree murder. Count 3 (for JJ): Conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder & grand theft by deception. Count 4(for JJ): 1st degree murder. Count 5 (for Tammy, 49, died 10/19/19): Conspiracy to commit 1st degree murder. Count 6 (for Tammy): 1st degree murder. Count 8 & 9: Insurance Fraud (Two counts of insurance fraud related to 2 different life insurance policies he had on Tammy). Plead not guilty. No bond. DA will seek DP. Fremont County
Trial was set to begin on 1/9/23 was vacated (10/28/22). Trial will be held in Ada County. (will last 10 weeks)
Previous charges, Grand jury indictment & Court info from 6/10/20 thru 9/74/22 reference post #680 here:
https://www.websleuths.com/forums/...-vallow-62-oct-2019-arrests-66.631271/page-34
9/30/22: Chad Daybell wants cameras in the courtroom during his trial & he wants the proceedings live-streamed for the public. John Prior, Daybell’s attorney, filed a motion Thursday, 9/29/22 asking District Judge Steven Boyce to consider the request. Prior’s request comes a week after Judge Boyce issued an order prohibiting cameras from Lori’s hearings & trial. Her attorneys & prosecutors asked for the ban saying they had concerns about pretrial publicity & not being able to find an impartial jury. Prior is asking Judge Boyce to hold a hearing in Fremont County on 10/13/22 to discuss the camera motion, along with the motion to continue & sever the cases. Pretrial hearing on 11/9/22.
10/13/22 Update: Lori Hellis Sealing- Judge Steven Boyce stated he will go back & re-evaluate the sealed documents Hellis wants unsealed. Stay/Continuance motion- State wanted a stay in CD case. Defense attorney John Prior wanted a continuance, not a stay. Judge Boyce denies a stay & will continue procedurally. State has no objection to a continuance. He'll issue a written decision by the 28th. Judge Boyce did have concerns about a trial this length getting moved in Ada County as it's a busy court. Sever case-This will now be heard at the 11/10/22 hearing. Bill of Particulars- Prior motioned for this & Judge Boyce denied motion. Prior wanting cameras at the trial- Was not heard today. Grand Jury - Judge Boyce grants the motion to supply the transcript to the defense. Judge Boyce grants motion to disclose the grand jury transcript to defense, but will not be disclosed publicly. During a hearing held on Thursday, Seventh District Court Judge Boyce agreed to consider postponing Daybell’s trial until October 2023. Daybell & his attorney John Prior met with Boyce where the continuance & several motions were discussed.
10/16/22 Update: Pretrial hearing on 11/9/22 was vacated. Motions hearing regarding to sever case on 11/10/22. 10/28/22 Update: Judge Boyce granted John Prior’s motion for continuance of trial. Has more evidence to review. No change in motion to sever cases.
*Lori Norene Vallow aka Lori Norene Daybell (46/now 49) – Fremont County: 5/27/21: Found incompetent to stand trial. All hearings put on hold. Competency review hearing was on 6/16/21, but Prosecutor Wood withdraws motion to contest competency. 4/11/22: Found competent to stand trial. 10/6/22: Judge Steven W. Boyce suspended the case until Vallow’s competency can be determined & her January 2023 trial has been vacated. Competency evaluations review hearing on 11/9/22. No update as of 11/10/22.
*Madison County: Pretrial conference hearing on 8/17/21 & trial set to begin on 8/30/21 were both vacated.