Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #5

[Colorado303]

dbm — double post

 

[Avocado49]

Lori likely knew Charles had taken steps to legally limit JJ's interaction with her (the protection order, the mental hold evaluation). When Charles died, she must have known that paperwork was still floating around and might cause problems. When the welfare check happened she likely knew it was coming from the Woodcocks, and took it as proof they were going to try and take the kids and hid them instead. If she dodged the mental evaluation by hiding from LE for long enough, perhaps she thought the custody issue would blow over as well if she just hid the kids for a bit.

yes, she probably thought that she was “protecting” the kids in some way, or that the Woodcocks are secretly evil, or that Charles died long ago and she really killed “Nick Schneider” and nobody understands, I’m thinking of the whole “more will be revealed and it will all be clear” statement from the attorney.
I bet Lori and Chad are bricks right now trying to figure out how to explain their actions in a way that would make sense to non-believers. They probably really believe they are innocent! And that Chad was a “loving husband” and Lori a “wonderful mother”, that they just had to do what was needed to kill off their possessed loved ones who were destined to die because the angels said so in their visions.

 

[Colorado303]

"Scarpered" is a good term

Scurried like cockroaches would work too.

MOO

 

[LogicbeforeJudgement]

Why do you think Lori and Chad fled and are in hiding? Why did they lie about the children's whereabouts to the police? Why did they tell multiple people that Tylee was dead and that Lori had no young children? Why don't they show that the children are alive?

My best answer would be fear, perhaps. I guess I'm just looking at it from a we don't really know what life was like for these people before all of this came out and we're only getting a lot of info from people that seem to have an agenda. JMO

 

[BigAl16]

Scurried like cockroaches would work too.

MOO

I vote for this one.

 

[Gardener1850]

SBM
Question for experienced websleuthers. This is only the third case I've followed here. How often do people who know or support people directed involved in the case come here and try to steer the conversation and sow seeds of doubt?

Yes, it happens. Friends or family members who want to defend the suspects/POIs often make accounts pretending they have no connection to the case and will take a defensive position under the guise of claiming they are being "open minded". I also think that legal teams for defendants accused of murder sometimes send their law students or researchers here to try out different arguments and see if we buy any of them. In this case, I think we may be getting some followers of Chad and Lori coming here from another forum/group. As long as posts are respectful there is no harm in opposing opinions. However, if there is too much drama in the threads, then the moderators will close the threads every night and only open them up again when a mod can be here to monitor. I hope that doesn't happen in this case because this is such a complex case with new info still coming out everyday. We should have plenty to discuss from the MSM that is within the rules without having to make this a forum vs forum contest or without repeating the same arguments back and forth until we are all sick of repeating ourselves. MOO.

 

[Colorado303]

Duly noted. So saying people are involved in cults because the family of the "victims" says so is ok? Not being facecious, but just asking. Honestly I thought this was a forum of discussion rather than a forum directed toward one side or the other based off of other posts. Sorry I misunderstood the premise here.

Indeed WS is a forum for multiple viewpoints and most longtime posters take care to study the case. So in cases where countless facts, incidents and crimes implicate the POI it’s not surprising the majority of posters reach the same general conclusion. I understand to newcomers who’ve not familiarized themselves w/the case it may appear as a one-sided forum. Ditto for anyone who comes in with their mind made up and are impervious to considering new information.

MOO

 

[Avocado49]

I apologize if that has been discussed, but in the all the news reports I've seen the details of the death of the uncle of the missing Fallow kids, Alex, brother of Lori, mother of missing kids, are "unknown" or "undisclosed".

Do they really not know? What are the possibilities? Was it suicide (or made to look like suicide) and nobody is saying out of respect for the family? Anyone know anything about this?

and there has been no funeral, etc. even though he was married, and has parents and siblings - are Lori’s parents unconcerned that their son is dead? Is there a body and is it actually Alex’s? hopefully ACs new step-son is safe and not “missing” as well.

 

[tresir2012]

My best answer would be fear, perhaps. I guess I'm just looking at it from a we don't really know what life was like for these people before all of this came out and we're only getting a lot of info from people that seem to have an agenda. JMO

But we do know what life was like as evidenced in these threads. Have you read them? The only current agenda is the FBI's.

 

[LogicbeforeJudgement]

I also have been wrongly accused, so I totally get being leery. But her actions speak for themselves. She is not the martyr she likely thinks herself. She and Chad are not acting rationally. And you stated that you might not understand the premise of websleuths in it being a forum for discussion, but those of us who regularly follow and post know that things usually are what they seem, and in this case it sure points to mental illness, paranoia, possible premeditated murder, and evading LE, all of which indicates the children are in an extreme danger. One of the adages we frequently refer to is "when you hear hoofbeats, think horses, not zebras". Or in this case, 144,000 magical unicorn pegasus zebras. Moo.

I am in no way refuting anything anyone says. Just giving another point of view.

 

[Colorado303]

Thank you for clarifying.

No, I choose to leave those people alone. I know what they're like to deal with.

I see. Thank you.

 

[tresir2012]

Super interesting statement, that I bolded in your reply. What do you suppose his end goal is here? Notoriety? JMO

He was in talks to film one of his books. The directors have put it on hold for now.

 

[CSIDreamer]

Opinion coming from a Christian perspective.

Level 3 dark spirits. I been thinking about this.

The Bible says 1/3 of the angels in heaven were cast out with Lucifer (the devil). 1/3 = level 3?

There is absolutely NO redemption available for fallen angels.

Back to your regular programming.

All JMO

 

[fred&edna]

One person's logical thinking could be another person's irrational nonsense.

 

[LogicbeforeJudgement]

But we do know what life was like as evidenced in these threads. Have you read them? The only current agenda is the FBI's.

Yes, I've been following along. However, we still haven't heard from the POI's. We only know what has come from one side. Now if the autopsy's come back giving solid evidence that would make things a lot different. I guess I just don't want to pass pre judgment before I hear everything. MOO

 

[tresir2012]

I am in no way refuting anything anyone says. Just giving another point of view.

No you are saying the victims family of Charles Vallow (and Charles when he was alive) are lying because that is what you experienced with your ex. WADR you need to read the threads.

 

[LogicbeforeJudgement]

But we do know what life was like as evidenced in these threads. Have you read them? The only current agenda is the FBI's.

Yes, I've been following along. However, we still haven't heard from the POI's. We only know what has come from one side. Now if the autopsy's come back giving solid evidence that would make things a lot different. I guess I just don't want to pass pre judgment before I hear everything. MOO

One person's logical thinking could be another person's irrational nonsense.

You're right. We don't all think the same and that's ok. It's kind of like one man's junk is another man's treasure

 

[Avocado49]

So is it your opinion this whole case is a huge misunderstanding cooked up by a dead man?

how do we know these children are in danger and distressed?! well, we know that nobody has seen either of them since September -we know they were moved to another state after their uncle shot their father in their home, and we know their mother re-married a guy whose wife had just died. We know these traumatized kids have had no contact with any family and friends for over 3 months (and assume they haven’t had any therapy and help for trauma).

 

[BigAl16]

Opinion coming from a Christian perspective.

Level 3 dark spirits. I been thinking about this.

The Bible says 1/3 of the angels in heaven were cast out with Lucifer (the devil). 1/3 = level 3?

There is absolutely NO redemption available for fallen angels.

Back to your regular programming.

All JMO

FWIW, I know we had a discussion about this the other day, thinking maybe she'd talking the Mormon 3 levels of heaven and split hell into 3 levels. Your theory here works from a Mormon perspective too, I think. (I remember hearing the same story with the 1/3 following the devil thing as a kid in the Mormon church, so in this regard they and whatever Christian tradition you're familiar with seem to be in sync.)

 

[tresir2012]

Idle musing - Did Tammy and Alex show the symptoms of Anti-Freeze poisoning before their deaths ?......moo

I had a look. It is often used in suicides. I didn't know that. Here is a link - the symptoms are interesting. It is not fast acting. And there is an antidote if medics are sure what has been ingested. But if alcohol has been ingested also, it can mask the test results during monitoring of a live patient. Complicated.

Ethylene glycol poisoning - Wikipedia