Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 #8

[diggndeeperstill]

Would it be such a huge process if Bailey had already gone through it once before? Hadn't they just gotten back from living in Hawaii for awhile? Did they have the service dog with them during that time, or did they just get it after coming back?

I don’t have time to search, but you can go thru my posts and find where the dog just completed training December 2018.

 

[Avocado49]

Kia Alex was in Nov 14 was a Kia Telluride...

and here one is, registered to Melani B.!

 

[indicolite22]

I think Milani's actions were influenced by the fact that Brandon was not going to let her take the kids. They have four kids that would have been worth a lot of child support. The thing about running away and starting a new life is that you need income. Additionally a lot of things about this case points to the bottom line which is money.

Of course Melani's original idea (IMO) might have been to collect Brandon's life insurance after his death. The family source mentioned on GH that Brandon had a high policy insurance. Luckily the murder attempt failed.

 

[indicolite22]

MOO: I think it was told to Chad's family as well. I believe that's where I first heard it. It fits other things that I've been told secondhand that the kids are fine: 1) Chad doesn't know they're alive–or were alive in as recently as September, or 2) with one foot in this life and one connected to the other side, someone might believe that kids are "fine" beyond grave. 'They're fine, don't worry about them'.

If Chad didn't/doesn't know before December 20, how can he not know now? If he knows now, how can this continue much longer?

So the kids at first didn't exist (per Chad's word to his family), but now they're fine?

I don't buy Chad's excuse that he didn't know about the kid's existence for a second. It was reported that him and Lori both (together?) told the story of Tylee being dead to multiple people.

 

[RexburgSleuth]

So the kids at first didn't exist (per Chad's word to his family), but now they're fine?

I don't buy Chad's excuse that he didn't know about the kid's existence for a second. It was reported that him and Lori both (together?) told the story of Tylee being dead to multiple people.

Right... That has been puzzling me for weeks. Why lie? Given that it looks like he either killed Tammy or was accused of killing her, does that drive him to Lori who's dealing with similar accusations?
If he's innocent, who made contact first?

When was Chad and Lori's podcast together in September? What date?

 

[Avocado49]

I've seen it happen before where when someone dies their ex spouse is entitled to their benefits/accounts. JR never remarried, Lori was his last spouse, so its not unheard of that the money went directly to her.

I imagine JR would have tried to make sure his money went to Tylee. But maybe he put that off (because he didn’t think he would die before she was 18) and Lori received the money as the guardian of Tylee.

 

[UnknownSleuth]

Of course Melani's original idea (IMO) might have been to collect Brandon's life insurance after his death. The family source mentioned on GH that Brandon had a high policy insurance. Luckily the murder attempt failed.

Melani's idea, or *someone's* idea that she should collect it. (And the family source said she thought that was the motivation.) We don't know what knowledge/involvement Melani had in the planning or the attempt, though her association or involvement with it was enough that it affected her custody case and Brandon got full custody even after her message about moving to "Boise" and wanting shared custody (kids to go back and forth on breaks, in either direction).

My speculation (and you can decide whether I have anything to base this on)...

Melani met her new spouse online in late October/November *after* moving to Rexburg. I don't know if "online" means AVOW or if it means regular online dating apps. Likely in the divorce she was granted spousal support, but not child support as she was not the custodial parent. Upon getting married she would very likely lose spousal support. By meeting this spouse, she would also learn about his own divorce/custody/financial arrangement with his ex (and hear about his lawyer, who is now Chad Daybell's lawyer and does both criminal defense and family law). There is likely a financial motivation to get some custody of her kids and the accompanying financial support. But I hope against hope she also wants to be with her kids more! She reportedly is still living in Rexburg in the third townhouse that was searched, and has been seen in person in her local LDS ward. I can't speculate whether she is or isn't cooperating with LE, but signs point to the idea that she is trying to normalize her life, at least somewhat, and that may be a sign she might be cooperative.

To the person who said maybe she got legally remarried to strengthen her custody case, I'm not sure how much a hasty remarriage in Vegas to a recently-divorced guy with a domestic violence/protection order violation in his recent past really paints a picture of stability, but maybe [shrug].

(MOO)

 

[Alpha Bravo]

I think they found the body in bed, looked it over, decided it was due to heart disease (since he had a history of atherosclerosis) and that was it. It doesn't look like he had an actual autopsy, just an external examination of the body.

I had read that his body wasnt discovered for some time, and only then after it had bloated and exploded. Not much of an autopsy to be performed IMO.

 

[UnknownSleuth]

When was Chad and Lori's podcast together in September? What date?

The release date was 9/16/2019. Don't know when it was recorded. Description mentions Chad Daybell "emerging from a spring and summer break."

Of note, his announced conference appearance in Sandy, UT on May 31-June 1, 2019 was canceled on short notice "due to a family emergency." And then, he had also been announced as a facilitator at a Dreams & Visions workshop on June 29 in Rexburg, but was replaced by another of the visionaries whose book he published. There was another event in Rexburg on September 20 or 21, of which he was not a part. MOO, but something happened to "break" the relationship with the event sponsors in late May 2019. But what? @RexburgSleuth , are you aware of any family emergency last spring?

The event sponsors walk a fine line of wanting to stay on the good side of the mainstream church. The past shows that they quickly disavow any of their speakers who receive church disciplinary action. I have wondered if Chad did in fact face a church disciplinary council in the spring, that did not result in disfellowshipment or excommunication, but may have resulted in informal probation or (more likely) formal probation. Formal probation results in consequences that are at the discretion of the member's local leaders. They can be removed from their church calling, or can keep it. Any thoughts, RexburgSleuth?

With other disciplinary councils happening to associated individuals around this time, and also some high profile "Christ-centered energy healing" gurus unexpectedly publicly disavowing energy healing this year, I wonder if there has been a coordinated crackdown on some of this stuff. The party line is that disciplinary action is solely in the hands of local leadership, not coordinated or directed from higher up in church leadership. But with so many happening all at once, I wonder...

Of note, disciplinary action of fringe believers tends to push most people further to the fringes, because they think surely the mainstream church has lost its way if they can't see the pure intent and god-given mission of the fringe-y member. If there was a council, it could be yet another catalyst in everything that played out.

MOO

 

[indicolite22]

Melani's idea, or *someone's* idea that she should collect it. (And the family source said she thought that was the motivation.) We don't know what knowledge/involvement Melani had in the planning or the attempt, though her association or involvement with it was enough that it affected her custody case and Brandon got full custody even after her message about moving to "Boise" and wanting shared custody (kids to go back and forth on breaks, in either direction).

My speculation (and you can decide whether I have anything to base this on)...

Melani met her new spouse online in late October/November *after* moving to Rexburg. I don't know if "online" means AVOW or if it means regular online dating apps. Likely in the divorce she was granted spousal support, but not child support as she was not the custodial parent. Upon getting married she would very likely lose spousal support. By meeting this spouse, she would also learn about his own divorce/custody/financial arrangement with his ex (and hear about his lawyer, who is now Chad Daybell's lawyer and does both criminal defense and family law). There is likely a financial motivation to get some custody of her kids and the accompanying financial support. But I hope against hope she also wants to be with her kids more! She reportedly is still living in Rexburg in the third townhouse that was searched, and has been seen in person in her local LDS ward. I can't speculate whether she is or isn't cooperating with LE, but signs point to the idea that she is trying to normalize her life, at least somewhat, and that may be a sign she might be cooperative.

To the person who said maybe she got legally remarried to strengthen her custody case, I'm not sure how much a hasty remarriage in Vegas to a recently-divorced guy with a domestic violence/protection order violation in his recent past really paints a picture of stability, but maybe [shrug].

(MOO)

How come that the guy she supposedly first met only months earlier did not oppose the rush marriage? IMO it was all a part of the cult's belief system and they were both members.

 

[indicolite22]

I had read that his body wasnt discovered for some time, and only then after it had bloated and exploded. Not much of an autopsy to be performed IMO.

How long would that be? I don't remember how quickly it was discovered, but I think his body was left unclaimed for some time.

 

[UnknownSleuth]

How come that the guy she supposedly first met only months earlier did not oppose the rush marriage? IMO it was all a part of the cult's belief system and they were both members.

I agree that's a really strong possibility (and even said they may have met on AVOW), but rush engagements/marriages are a big thing in mainstream Mormonism as well. Especially rush re-marriages after death and divorce, from my experience. So I'm open to that possibility. Also, they could both be part of the same extremist beliefs/group, but still have only just met. They could be having second thoughts (about the extremism, not necessarily about the marriage, but I wouldn't be surprised about that, too) after all this playing out. Or, they could just be back to playing the game of trying to appear normal and stable, all while still actively pursuing the extremist beliefs. My speculation was mainly about Melani's back-and-forth actions regarding the custody of her children, and what factors may be at play.

 

[nopynono]

I imagine JR would have tried to make sure his money went to Tylee. But maybe he put that off (because he didn’t think he would die before she was 18) and Lori received the money as the guardian of Tylee.

Could be. I know someone in this exact position right now. Ex military, has kids, never remarried. Hates the ex, estranged from the kids, has cancer. She's been looking for a random person to marry, quickly, because she's afraid she'll die and her ex will get a payout.

 

[BigAl16]

The release date was 9/16/2019. Don't know when it was recorded. Description mentions Chad Daybell "emerging from a spring and summer break."

Of note, his announced conference appearance in Sandy, UT on May 31-June 1, 2019 was canceled on short notice "due to a family emergency." And then, he had also been announced as a facilitator at a Dreams & Visions workshop on June 29 in Rexburg, but was replaced by another of the visionaries whose book he published. There was another event in Rexburg on September 20 or 21, of which he was not a part. MOO, but something happened to "break" the relationship with the event sponsors in late May 2019. But what? @RexburgSleuth , are you aware of any family emergency last spring?

The event sponsors walk a fine line of wanting to stay on the good side of the mainstream church. The past shows that they quickly disavow any of their speakers who receive church disciplinary action. I have wondered if Chad did in fact face a church disciplinary council in the spring, that did not result in disfellowshipment or excommunication, but may have resulted in informal probation or (more likely) formal probation. Formal probation results in consequences that are at the discretion of the member's local leaders. They can be removed from their church calling, or can keep it. Any thoughts, RexburgSleuth?

With other disciplinary councils happening to associated individuals around this time, and also some high profile "Christ-centered energy healing" gurus unexpectedly publicly disavowing energy healing this year, I wonder if there has been a coordinated crackdown on some of this stuff. The party line is that disciplinary action is solely in the hands of local leadership, not coordinated or directed from higher up in church leadership. But with so many happening all at once, I wonder...

Of note, disciplinary action of fringe believers tends to push most people further to the fringes, because they think surely the mainstream church has lost its way if they can't see the pure intent and god-given mission of the fringe-y member. If there was a council, it could be yet another catalyst in everything that played out.

MOO

Two comments. First, while the claim is these things are up to local leaders, it's pretty clear to anyone watching the high profile excommunications that this is not true. They may ultimately be tasked with making the decision, but I'm pretty sure they know what it is expected to be and aren't ever going to push back on the direction they've been nudged or pushed in.

That said, those situations like that I'm thinking of are all high profile with the person being disciplined making the fact that it is happening very public. Normally this isn't going to be public from any other source. I guess Chad could have gone to them and said "this is going on, do you want me to bow out so you aren't at risk due to what's going on"? I'm not sure what the odds of that are. Or maybe someone who should have kept quiet didn't in which case someone in Chad's ward or stake leadership would have had to have been talking out of school to the organization that won't be named. I've go my doubts, but Rexburg Sleuth could convince me. MOO

 

[nopynono]

The release date was 9/16/2019. Don't know when it was recorded. Description mentions Chad Daybell "emerging from a spring and summer break."

Of note, his announced conference appearance in Sandy, UT on May 31-June 1, 2019 was canceled on short notice "due to a family emergency." And then, he had also been announced as a facilitator at a Dreams & Visions workshop on June 29 in Rexburg, but was replaced by another of the visionaries whose book he published. There was another event in Rexburg on September 20 or 21, of which he was not a part. MOO, but something happened to "break" the relationship with the event sponsors in late May 2019. But what?

MOO

I'm thinking the emergency was more Lori related than to his actual family. This is about the time she decides to move back in with Charles. Kay said Charles had showed her evidence that Lori and Chad were having an affair. Maybe the "emergency" was due to Lori effectively dumping Chad to try and make her marriage work.

 

[Alpha Bravo]

How long would that be? I don't remember how quickly it was discovered, but I think his body was left unclaimed for some time.

IIRC correctly he wasn't discovered for 3 weeks. Yipes

 

[Gardener1850]

DBM

(someone else gave the same answer before me)

 

[Alpha Bravo]

CA - Police searching for car seen in video driving off hwy cliff in California, 30 December 2019

The photos on the other thread show it's like 40 feet down onto deep water and rocks, with rather heavy surf. They've found parts of one or more vehicles but haven't determined yet whether any of it belongs to the car that went over the edge.

Cars nowadays have excellent seals, if windows rolled up and there was no, or little breakage to those seals, it could have floated quite a ways. Perhaps miles.

 

[Gardener1850]

IIRC correctly he wasn't discovered for 3 weeks. Yipes

3 weeks is what the family member in the Gray Hughes video said but the coroner's report we got yesterday reveals that a neighbor saw Joe Ryan a week before his body was found. That detail change will be in the next timeline update. I think it's possible that the family member hadn't seen him for 3 weeks- if someone related to Joe-- or maybe it indicates Lori/Tylee hadn't seen Joe in 3 weeks? Either way, the neighbor was the one who called for a welfare check.

 

[carbuff]

Cars nowadays have excellent seals, if windows rolled up and there was no, or little breakage to those seals, it could have floated quite a ways. Perhaps miles.

Very true. But if it hit the rocks, those windows would be gone instantly. Even the impact of hitting the water could cause them to break.

I don't know how quickly they were able to start looking for it. I suppose it could have drifted out of sight that quickly.