Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #20

[CuriousQuiet1]

My guess is that Chad will stay through the extradition hearing and then head back to Idaho.

We know for certain the Madison County DA has Chad for criminal solicitation for his phone call to MG asking her to lie that she has JJ and would charge him with that as soon as he is in Idaho. It is a misdemeanor but what is the seriousness, in terms of potential jail time?

 

[WhereIsWaldo]

Sure, it's possible. However, what I was getting at is that in many of the pictures we see of Lori in day to day attire (not wedding pictures) she is clearly not meeting Church standards, let alone temple standards. For example, we teach our youth (BBM):

"Immodest clothing is any clothing that is tight, sheer, or revealing in any other manner. Young women should avoid short shorts and short skirts, shirts that do not cover the stomach, and clothing that does not cover the shoulders or is low-cut in the front or the back."​

Dress and Appearance

Lori's dress does not abide by these standards. Furthermore, when a member enters the temple and receives their endowment they also commit to wearing temple garments for the rest of their lives. These sacred garments are to be worn under one's clothing and should be covered. In regards to this higher standard of clothing and modesty the Church teaches:

"Members who have received their temple ordinances thereafter wear the special garment or underclothing. ...

The garment represents sacred covenants. It fosters modesty and becomes a shield and protection to the wearer.

The wearing of such a garment does not prevent members from dressing in the fashionable clothing generally worn in the nations of the world. Only clothing that is immodest or extreme in style would be incompatible with wearing the garment. Any member of the Church, whether he or she has been to the temple or not, would in proper spirit want to avoid extreme or revealing fashions."​

Preparing to Enter the Holy Temple

What Lori often chooses to wear is incompatible with this standard and reveals that she either hasn't been to the temple yet to receive her ordinances therein, or, if she has, that she's not living up to the standards required by not wearing garments and clothing sufficiently modest to cover said garments.

Great observations! I do think this will become more relevant as time goes on, depending on her defense. MOO

 

[kye0001]

Full interview

This is a good find! I hope that people (the CD supporters) watch that and realise there never was a custody battle. That has had to come about because the children were missing. My heart goes out to both the grandparents, they really are strong, brave people who love that little boy so much. JMO

 

[josephinemarch]

Interesting! Is he not going to stay and support Lori? Has Chad "felt prompted" to flee before possibly similar charges are filed against him? How is he not already charged with resisting and obstructing officers and criminal solicitation? Those are 2 of Lori's charges for lying about the whereabouts of JJ and for calling MG and asking her to lie to police about having JJ. Chad did the same things according to Lori's charging docs. I hope he's not able to flee to another country.

MOO.

Just had a thought, maybe RPD is hoping CD returns to idaho on his own accord, then they’d avoid the headache and expense of extraditing a second individual. Their hope might be that his love and devotion to LVD is holding him in as safe of a place as prison would. This is a gamble, but I’m guessing he’s being followed pretty closely. Moo

Marcus Moore on Twitter



Marcus Moore
@marcusmoore

MISSING KIDS: Are the kids okay? “I can’t comment.” #LoriVallow husband Spoke to us for 1st time since case broke. He added “Just grateful for any support. We just have to wait for the legal process to work through.” I asked again if the kids are okay? “I have to go. No comment.”



3:58 PM · Feb 24, 2020 from Poipu, HI·Twitter for iPhone

I can’t love this enough. He’s already commenting to a reporter. Keep at it, reporters! I need a video of this. Moo

 

[Portiz34]

I miss the old days, when I had no clue any of these things could happen.

 

[Anonymous91]

Thanks, I do remember reading that one now that you post it. I believe it's OK to post as long as we link to the MSM source. Here's the link: Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix

To me, the son calling CR and CR not answering the phone isn't the same thing as CR not calling them back. There are many reason not to answer a phone call. However, now that I read that again the son says first that he hasn't heard from Colby or Tylee, as if it would be normal to hear from them on other days/with other situations. I wonder if Lori had told Colby and Tylee something to isolate all the kids from one another? It seems like that was her pattern-- keep people separated and they can't compare the stories they've been told. MOO.

This wouldn't surprise me at all. Isolation is very common.

What you will find with a victim is that they are extremely introverted, and have lost most of their friends/family, or have very few that they interact with. MOO

 

[nhmemorymaker]

I'm not picking on you, just selecting one of many possible posts on the topic to address the question. Where is this source coming from that Chad and Lori are/were sealed in a temple? Or is it just speculation and rumor?

Personally I believe this whole temple thing is way off base and completely the wrong direction to be looking. And as evidence I point simply to their beach wedding - which is on record and we have proof of.

Consider this. If somehow Chad and Lori were able to procure a temple sealing (and it's a huge if, but let's entertain it for a moment), and they truly believed they were now sealed together, then why in the world would they then go and have a beach wedding? It simply wouldn't make sense. No, the fact that they had a beach wedding is evidence that they couldn't and didn't have a temple wedding/sealing prior. And the fact that they've been on Kauai or Maui since their beach wedding is evidence they haven't had a temple sealing since then.

In addition, all photographic evidence depicting her modesty standards suggests Lori is not an endowed member of the Church, or if she is she's not living up to her covenants. Which means she wouldn't be able to enter a temple anyhow. MOO.

One of the larger questions that's been running throughout this thread are whether Chad/Lori/AVOW/etc. are sincere in their beliefs or have been wholly motivated by sex/money. I have no way to judge this in this particular case, but I generally try to assume people claiming religious faith are sincere until proven otherwise.

If we run with the sincerity assumption for the time being, the question immediately arises as to how Chad and Lori and like-minded others have been able to reconcile their non-orthodox beliefs (speaking in an LDS context) with the more mainstream LDS community in which much of their lives are spent, a community that emphasizes following clearly identified and authorized leaders?

The point I want to emphasize here has already been made and discussed, and it's not different from those motivating other types of "cultish" actions elsewhere, but I want to emphasize why LDS members may be particularly susceptible to it. This is the idea of "chosenness."

In a sense, elements of chosenness run throughout all of Christianity, but from my perspective the sense of chosenness is heightened within Mormonism. Very early on in Mormonism, a sense of literal belonging to Israelite tribes developed, supported by narratives such as the idea that only those who had "believing blood" would accept the LDS gospel. Later a sense of "adoption" into one of the twelve tribes replaced the strong belief in literal blood lineage. But the idea of many early Mormons, and one that still exists to some degree within mainstream Mormonism, is that God has put you here in your particular time/place context (particularly as a believer in the church) for a reason.

Early on, this sense of chosenness (and the possible conceit that comes through belief that one's own fate is more important to God than any other random human being) was easy to maintain, with relatively few members of the church and a second coming of Jesus expected within one's lifetime. But nearly 200 years (after the beginning of the church) and 16+ million members later, with no Second Coming having occurred, this sense of chosenness becomes harder to sustain. So, in my opinion, I think some church members seek other outlets to maintain a sense of chosenness. Thus we see, as the EIN video portrayed, it's some of the members who are "most Mormon" who are most susceptible to the idea that there might be additional knowledge out there available only to a relatively select few, or who can imagine themselves as participating in the vanguard of something new, big, and important.

(MOO) ... to be continued ...

Amen, to be continued.

 

[Portiz34]

I miss the old days, when I had no clue any of these things could happen.

We love you Tylee and JJ and we ALL hope one day you'll be able to see how many people came together including thousands of strangers just to help find you and get answers for your family! In Jesus name!

 

[CuriousQuiet1]

I would not be the least bit surprised if he runs or even takes his own life. He's kind of dangling there with no one to boost him up with their mutual ridiculous theories on their beliefs.

Not disagreeing with you, for weeks now I have thought the easy way out for Chad is suicide. But if he was taking his own life I don't think he would bother cancelling the lease first. MOO

 

[holsen]

I'm trying to keep up here, but missing pages because it's moving quickly and -- well, life. Does anyone know if WS got enough donations to pay for the server today or do they need more?

 

[nhmemorymaker]

Even little publishing companies, at least if they aren't scammers, aren't going to charge their authors money. Period. Even little Springhill Publishing. Yes, it appears they were originally setup as a company for Chad to self-publish his own books, but that's not unusual. I have a friend who started a small publishing company that was originally to publish her own books when her prior publisher went under, but she quickly expanded to publishing others (lots of them refugees from her prior publisher). Once there are books by more than one author it is out of the realm of self-publishing.

was the scenario you refer to, also religious in nature.... I feel that this is a rather lucrative option when it comes to spirtual or religious matters......

 

[CuriousQuiet1]

I miss the old days, when I had no clue any of these things could happen.

Instead of a "Like" we need an "Amen" option for this one.

 

[Anonymous91]

This part is always confusing, i getcha. However, I do believe someone upthread said that Tammy has choices in her after life. Since this is such a strong LDS belief, how does that happen spiritually??? Are LDS feeling "right now" that Tammy is ok...or does she have to wait until he gets to the afterlife? But isn't this an area that still gives more to men than women? So i am adding questions to the above mentioned question.

Well from what I understand, we all retain our agency after this life. We still are able to choose.

So, in theory, Tammy could tell Chad to take a hike. Which I think she will. MOO

To be honest our understanding of the afterlife is about as muddled as anyone else's is. Or to be more precise, it's about as clear as mud to me. MOO

 

[nhmemorymaker]

She may in fact be. Doesn't sound like her marriage to IP is too solid at this point. According to the BB court documents, she thinks she is "free" now that Alex is gone, somehow exempt from her conspiracy to kill her husband (which even the court documents state "is simply not the case", which hints a mocking tone - MOO). Her FB posts were clearly those of someone on the edge of a breakdown. I think if the same amount of LE showed up at her door that did the November 27 search in Rexburg (I seem to recall pics of camo clad SWAT) she'll crack. Come on Melani, you can free yourself of this burden. Do the right thing and tell LE everything you know....

but i hope they don't let her have unsupervised time with her children.

 

[SuziQ]

I'm not picking on you, just selecting one of many possible posts on the topic to address the question. Where is this source coming from that Chad and Lori are/were sealed in a temple? Or is it just speculation and rumor?

Personally I believe this whole temple thing is way off base and completely the wrong direction to be looking. And as evidence I point simply to their beach wedding - which is on record and we have proof of.

Consider this. If somehow Chad and Lori were able to procure a temple sealing (and it's a huge if, but let's entertain it for a moment), and they truly believed they were now sealed together, then why in the world would they then go and have a beach wedding? It simply wouldn't make sense. No, the fact that they had a beach wedding is evidence that they couldn't and didn't have a temple wedding/sealing prior. And the fact that they've been on Kauai or Maui since their beach wedding is evidence they haven't had a temple sealing since then.

In addition, all photographic evidence depicting her modesty standards suggests Lori is not an endowed member of the Church, or if she is she's not living up to her covenants. Which means she wouldn't be able to enter a temple anyhow. MOO.

I know for me, the sealing discussion morphed in relation to their cult's marriage revelations. Which could explain the marriages of A.C. And MB. Also the cult's use of an LDS Temple to deal themselves.

 

[WhereIsWaldo]

I'm not picking on you, just selecting one of many possible posts on the topic to address the question. Where is this source coming from that Chad and Lori are/were sealed in a temple? Or is it just speculation and rumor?

Personally I believe this whole temple thing is way off base and completely the wrong direction to be looking. And as evidence I point simply to their beach wedding - which is on record and we have proof of.

Consider this. If somehow Chad and Lori were able to procure a temple sealing (and it's a huge if, but let's entertain it for a moment), and they truly believed they were now sealed together, then why in the world would they then go and have a beach wedding? It simply wouldn't make sense. No, the fact that they had a beach wedding is evidence that they couldn't and didn't have a temple wedding/sealing prior. And the fact that they've been on Kauai or Maui since their beach wedding is evidence they haven't had a temple sealing since then.

In addition, all photographic evidence depicting her modesty standards suggests Lori is not an endowed member of the Church, or if she is she's not living up to her covenants. Which means she wouldn't be able to enter a temple anyhow. MOO.

Again, good points. Somewhere, in following this story, and I am not sure of the source now...could have been an interview with a friend of LV, a YT channel with alleged emails from a source “close” to LV, court documents regarding divorce documents from CV...so much information. The source said that Lori stopped “wearing her garments “. IF this is a reliable source sharing secondhand information, first, if true, it confirms that at some point in time, Lori received Temple endowments and ordinances, that would require the wearing of “garments “. It is not secretive but more sacred. The garments represent protection, to some extent. There was a discussion earlier regarding Temple activities. By active members, access to the temples is restricted in some ways. I think another poster covered the requirements, which eventually might be relevant in this case. MOO

 

[SuziQ]

I'm not picking on you, just selecting one of many possible posts on the topic to address the question. Where is this source coming from that Chad and Lori are/were sealed in a temple? Or is it just speculation and rumor?

Personally I believe this whole temple thing is way off base and completely the wrong direction to be looking. And as evidence I point simply to their beach wedding - which is on record and we have proof of.

Consider this. If somehow Chad and Lori were able to procure a temple sealing (and it's a huge if, but let's entertain it for a moment), and they truly believed they were now sealed together, then why in the world would they then go and have a beach wedding? It simply wouldn't make sense. No, the fact that they had a beach wedding is evidence that they couldn't and didn't have a temple wedding/sealing prior. And the fact that they've been on Kauai or Maui since their beach wedding is evidence they haven't had a temple sealing since then.

In addition, all photographic evidence depicting her modesty standards suggests Lori is not an endowed member of the Church, or if she is she's not living up to her covenants. Which means she wouldn't be able to enter a temple anyhow. MOO.

I know for me, the sealing discussion morphed in relation to their cult's marriage revelations. Which could explain the marriages of A.C. And MB. Also the cult's use of an LDS Temple to deal themselves.

 

[Kudzu]

So Chad goes to the bank at 4:30 on Friday, today he cancels his lease and has to be out at the end of the week... I also believe that he speaks some Spanish, and they were previously heading to Mexico. LE, you better hustle if you’re planning on making an arrest!!

MOO

 

[Sltpeppa]

Marcus Moore on Twitter



Marcus Moore
@marcusmoore

MISSING KIDS: Are the kids okay? “I can’t comment.” #LoriVallow husband Spoke to us for 1st time since case broke. He added “Just grateful for any support. We just have to wait for the legal process to work through.” I asked again if the kids are okay? “I have to go. No comment.”



3:58 PM · Feb 24, 2020 from Poipu, HI·Twitter for iPhone

Did ya’ll scroll down just a little further on Marcus Moore twitter post?

 

[Anonymous91]

One of the larger questions that's been running throughout this thread are whether Chad/Lori/AVOW/etc. are sincere in their beliefs or have been wholly motivated by sex/money. I have no way to judge this in this particular case, but I generally try to assume people claiming religious faith are sincere until proven otherwise.

If we run with the sincerity assumption for the time being, the question immediately arises as to how Chad and Lori and like-minded others have been able to reconcile their non-orthodox beliefs (speaking in an LDS context) with the more mainstream LDS community in which much of their lives are spent, a community that emphasizes following clearly identified and authorized leaders?

The point I want to emphasize here has already been made and discussed, and it's not different from those motivating other types of "cultish" actions elsewhere, but I want to emphasize why LDS members may be particularly susceptible to it. This is the idea of "chosenness."

In a sense, elements of chosenness run throughout all of Christianity, but from my perspective the sense of chosenness is heightened within Mormonism. Very early on in Mormonism, a sense of literal belonging to Israelite tribes developed, supported by narratives such as the idea that only those who had "believing blood" would accept the LDS gospel. Later a sense of "adoption" into one of the twelve tribes replaced the strong belief in literal blood lineage. But the idea of many early Mormons, and one that still exists to some degree within mainstream Mormonism, is that God has put you here in your particular time/place context (particularly as a believer in the church) for a reason.

Early on, this sense of chosenness (and the possible conceit that comes through belief that one's own fate is more important to God than any other random human being) was easy to maintain, with relatively few members of the church and a second coming of Jesus expected within one's lifetime. But nearly 200 years (after the beginning of the church) and 16+ million members later, with no Second Coming having occurred, this sense of chosenness becomes harder to sustain. So, in my opinion, I think some church members seek other outlets to maintain a sense of chosenness. Thus we see, as the EIN video portrayed, it's some of the members who are "most Mormon" who are most susceptible to the idea that there might be additional knowledge out there available only to a relatively select few, or who can imagine themselves as participating in the vanguard of something new, big, and important.

(MOO) ... to be continued ...

As I was reading this, it dawned on me we've seen something similar to this in the 70's.

If you have Netflix watch "Abducted in Plain Sight" which is a bizarre case in and of itself. What you are talking about is very evident is this documentary. I do feel that cult-like behavior is at the root of what is going on. MOO