Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #22

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

I can't remember where I read it, one of the 258 news reports, but yes, an autopsy was performed. But LE has not released the results to the public yet. (I'm pretty sure!). I think they are waiting until they have Lori and Chad (at least Lori) in custody before they release the results.

One was not done immediately following her death, they exhumed her body.

 

[yawningreyhound]

I can't remember where I read it, one of the 258 news reports, but yes, an autopsy was performed. But LE has not released the results to the public yet. (I'm pretty sure!). I think they are waiting until they have Lori and Chad (at least Lori) in custody before they release the results.

But an autopsy was only performed after all this hulabaloo; they had to exhume her, am I remembering correctly?

 

[Gardener1850]

If Chad is charged with conspiracy - as things currently stand - wouldn't that only be conspiracy to obstruct justice - a misdemeanor? Or are we talking about more serious charges?

I'm not the one you asked but I think we could eventually see 3 or 4 "conspiracy to commit murder" charges filed (against both POIs) before this case is done. And that's not counting anything involving the missing children. MOO.

 

[utahobserver]

I have a legal question. Is a petition and response to a petition considered a sworn or unsworn legal document and can you make false representations in these documents?

In BB response to MBP's petition to modify the legal decision regarding their children, in paragraph 7, it states that:
Mother is currently under investigation of the attempted murder of Father. Mother's new husband has reported to law enforcement that Mother revealed to him shortly after their marriage that she conspired with her Uncle to kill Father. Mother is also under investigation relating to the disappearance of her aunt's two missing children. READ: The court documents filed by the ex-husband of Lori Daybell's niece | East Idaho News

MBP lawyers stated Wednesday:
Garrett Smith and Robert Jarvis, Arizona-based attorneys for Melani Pawlowski, say claims made in court documents are all part of an ongoing custody battle. "She has no idea where the Vallow children are. She has no information about that," Smith told 2News on Wednesday. Jarvis said the claims are false and were made by Pawlowski's ex-husband, Brandon Boudreaux. "(Her ex) brought the lies, the deception, the manipulation forward to try and capitalize on it, and what is going on with the Vallow children for his own gain," Jarvis said.

"She has not invoked her right to remain silent, and to not incriminate herself. She has conducted hours of investigation with the FBI." They say not only does she not know where the children are, but she hasn't seen them herself in months. Attorneys: Lori Vallow's niece does not know where missing kids are

Arizonia 3-2702. Perjury; classification
A. A person commits perjury by making either:
1. A false sworn statement in regard to a material issue, believing it to be false.
2. A false unsworn declaration, certificate, verification or statement in regard to a material issue that the person subscribes as true under penalty of perjury, believing it to be false.
B. Perjury is a class 4 felony. 13-2702 - Perjury; classification

So someone is lying. Wouldn't have BB attorneys fact checked the investigation and statements made regarding new husband, IP, knowledge? We know that you can lie to the press. Done every day here in the USA. But, if what MBP attorneys comment above is put into their response to BB response, is it perjury? If BB statements are unverified, are they perjury?

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

I was surprised by that, too; I always had it in my mind that LE drove whether there was autopsy or not, not the family members, but as pointed out earlier, sometimes I be wrong.....

LE does not. My brother died unexpectedly at the age of 49, his wife choose not to do one.

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

I can't believe an autopsy wasn't done when Tammy died. A young woman just dying and her husband, or her "family", says don't bother with an autopsy, so none is performed?

She seemed close to her family. I can't imagine they would have encouraged no autopsy.

I think Chad really over emphasized the brief examination done in order to quash the family's concerns, then of course rushed the funeral. At that point what could they do? Moo.

 

[DoctorAttorney]

@DoctorAttorney

Well this is very good news. It suggests that Lori and Chad knew that they would not be in one place in Hawaii very long, and did not have the funds to spring for a hotel or furnished condo during tourist season. Which is another way of saying, they at least had some inkling this was a dodge but one that wasn't meant to last...

 

[COSCitizen]

Warning. I'm a bit numb still, but I need to share this. There's a reason, keep reading.

I found my elderly next door neighbor dead about 2.5 hours ago. Called 911, the whole natural death scenario. Tip: don't touch anything if you find your neighbor deceased, and have ID ready. You can touch stuff after the coroner declares natural death. Have your ID ready. They need your statement and they will check you out with dispatch.

So. All family is far away. Since I obviously knew her, the police came over afterwards. Here's the important point:

He told me there were body fluids in the house and NONE OF THEM (emts, police, coroner) are allowed to clean at a scene. Guess who cleaned it up? Yes, I followed protocol. I had a nurse help me. No way was i leaving that for the family to walk into.

Remember that cop cleaning up under CV?

Jmo food for thought.

I'm so sorry. That must have been so difficult. Bless you for thinking of her family.

 

[RexburgSleuth]

I think Chad really over emphasized the brief examination done in order to quash the family's concerns, then of course rushed the funeral. At that point what could they do? Moo.

At least Tammy's family didn't find out about it three days later via group text. Not that anyone could be so callous as to...

oh.

 

[Alohaj]

That $158000 is going to go fast!

I do think she could end up being convicted of the up to 14 years per child for refusal to reveal their whereabouts. I think she has the moxie to keep her mouth shut. I do not think anyone but Alex really knew where they are, thus providing her with plausible deniability.

In a case here in Hawaii, “Peter boy” Kema it took 17 or 18 years for them to finally charge the parents. They claim to have given the child to someone in Honolulu.

The father ended up pleading guilty to manslaughter and got 20 years, plea deal in which he promised to disclose the body, which was never found. the wife testified against him and got basically nothing., probation and time served. So disgusting.
Then the family tried to sue the state saying the state was responsible for not having removed the child from the home. Golddiggers. Ghetto.

Where were these concerned family members if and when the child was being abused? Don’t they feel some responsibility to have acted as well?

my family and I have always talked about the fact that some people should never have been parents .... we make people get licenses to drive cars, etc. maybe people need licenses to have children?

 

[Gardener1850]

This thread is dedicated to discussing the disappearance of Tylee and Joshua. It is not a place for general chit chat and lengthy posts about the history of Hawaii or tourism, etc.

It is also not a place for bickering, personalizing and rude comments ... oh, and general arguing over various mental health topics, serial killers and things Ted Bundy.

Please stay on topic, be respectful, or there may be a loss of posting privileges.



Thanks.

Bringing this forward in the thread. Thanks SB.

Let's focus on finding JJ and Tylee and getting justice for all the victims in this crazy case.

MOO.

 

[b2alicia]

One was not done immediately following her death, they exhumed her body.

Right. They exhumed her body, performed the post-mortem, and have not released the results. Also, while the couple was in Hawaii, LE did an extra thorough search of Chad's home. I looked for the news report saying this, but I can't find it anywhere.

 

[Gardener1850]

What did her death certificate give as the cause of death?

I don't think we have ever been told anything other than "natural causes". MOO.

 

[Loveallmyhorsesdogsandcats]

Right. They exhumed her body, performed the post-mortem, and have not released the results. Also, while the couple was in Hawaii, LE did an extra thorough search of Chad's home. I looked for the news report saying this, but I can't find it anywhere.

Yes, sorry, thought you meant it was done immediately following her death per the family’s request. I have read many statements from medical personnel that it is much more difficult to detect potential evidence post embalming.

 

[janx]

Well this is very good news. It suggests that Lori and Chad knew that they would not be in one place in Hawaii very long, and did not have the funds to spring for a hotel or furnished condo during tourist season. Which is another way of saying, they at least had some inkling this was a dodge but one that wasn't meant to last...

My thoughts exactly, although the condo was in fact up for sale so they knew they would not be living there for long. The situation seems like an extended vacation rather than an actual move, doesn't it?

 

[Alohaj]

duplicate

 

[CSIDreamer]

Yes, true, don’t some of the members here though contribute monetarily to help pay for the server?

Yes, it's a donation to a privately owned site. We aren't buying into the site, we are helping a very gracious owner keep it open. Once again, not directed personally at you but. We agree to the TOS when we register our account. Free speech doesn't apply here. Jmo.

 

[janx]

Right. They exhumed her body, performed the post-mortem, and have not released the results. Also, while the couple was in Hawaii, LE did an extra thorough search of Chad's home. I looked for the news report saying this, but I can't find it anywhere.

Speaking of that home, does Chad still own it? Do his kids live in it?

 

[Gardener1850]

That’s a good way to look at it, I hope that’s the case and she gets caught out. JMO

Can anyone remember if the house had flooring or carpets? I don’t think the blood would come out as easily from a carpet but flooring would clean pretty well IMO.

It has either hardwood or tile flooring in the main living areas (Where CV's body was located) and low pile carpet in the bedrooms: https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/5531-S-Four-Peaks-Pl-Chandler-AZ-85249/59261947_zpid/?mmlb=g,5

ETA: I found it strange in the bodycam video of the scene that there was nothing in the room where CV was located except huge mirrors on 3 walls. No rug, no furniture, nada. I know they only moved in 3 weeks before the shooting but to not have at least a throw rug to dampen the echo of that room seems unusual.... MOO.

 

[LDS social scientist]

Hard to follow. Isn't he supposed to have intimated she was involved in the shooting attempt?

Unless I'm mistaken, this intimation only came from the former husband of his current wife -- someone with at least plausible reason to make MBP look bad. And this claim came only in the process of a messy custody battle over children.

I think there's plenty of reason to take BB's claims about what IP may have said with a heavy grain of salt (or at least not be surprised if IP has a different public view on the issue than BB does).