Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, arrested* #22

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  • #881
I believe CD and LVD did their first podcast together around December of 2018, IIRC.

I will need to search for it, but I believe I found a podcast from PAP in September 2018 with Chad, Lori, and Melani (Gibbs?) Not sure which Melani because the link was there, but would not work properly.
 
  • #882
I noticed that too!
Oh good, thought maybe I was imagining it. Lol. Gosh, wouldn't that be an added twist to this whole situation, if it turned out to be true!
 
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@KonaHonu
Thank you I appreciate your apology and clarification
Now I will offer you an apology because I was not aware that your Miranda warning was so specific in that it says that anything you say CAN and WILL be USED AGAINST YOU and for this reason , I now understand your point so my bad , I’m sorry .

In the UK we can arrest straight away

And only after charge do we go away and gather all the evidence to support what we already have initially , which was enough to arrest and interview and subsequently charge ( arraign) . The case is built once the charge procedure begins.

For example when CV was shot and killed, I said in another post that Lori and AC her brother, would have been arrested immediately and J.J. and Tylee would have been taken to a juvenile suite and in the presence of appropriate adults not involved, would have been interviewed on visual recording as to what they had witnessed.
This is because we can arrest on belief and suspicion and we then interview those arrested in order to obtain evidence but also to allow them to give alibis which we can then prove or disprove .
Our caution reads ....
You do not have to say anything but it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which may later be used to rely on in court . Anything you do say may be given in evidence.

Now the important clarification here is that this caution is only given if you are arrested or if you are brought into a custody suite and detained for the purpose of being questioned under caution and documented by contemporaneous notes .

So there really is a huge difference about speaking to LE in the UK as opposed to the USA

I think we are both straight now on the pertinent differences

That's very interesting. Even here though I would have expected Alex to be arrested. He admitted to murder. Self defense is a possible defense at trial but it would not normally be something that the police would automatically determine at the scene.
 
  • #886
I will need to search for it, but I believe I found a podcast from PAP in September 2018 with Chad, Lori, and Melani (Gibbs?) Not sure which Melani because the link was there, but would not work properly.
Interesting! I think it was mentioned somewhere at one point that they met in August of 2018, but who knows. I wish we could listen to them. I wonder if LVD mentions having kids in them. I bet LE has obtained them and listened to them. MOO
 
  • #887
Let's not forget, Melani CHOSE to walk away from her kids.... She so much as put it in a text like it was just something nonchalant....

Then the shooting at BB occurred and I don't blame him one bit for fearing his life and his children's...

She made the battle herself.

Totally agree. I'm much more suspicious of MBP's claims than BB's. But even in the case of the PI's backup, again unless I'm mistaken, the PI works for BB, and BB controls what he releases about the PI's claims. So yes, it's probably best to recognize that there are very few "facts" that have yet to be independently verified (except perhaps regarding the shooting) stemming from this custody battle.
 
  • #888
That's very interesting. Even here though I would have expected Alex to be arrested. He admitted to murder. Self defense is a possible defense at trial but it would not normally be something that the police would automatically determine at the scene.

It actually kind of is a lot of the time, up to who gets there first and what they say and the tone they set for the entire investigation by law enforcement.
 
  • #889
That's very interesting. Even here though I would have expected Alex to be arrested. He admitted to murder. Self defense is a possible defense at trial but it would not normally be something that the police would automatically determine at the scene.
This has always been a huge problem to me.
 
  • #890
Justin Lum’s post on Feb 27 (thereabouts, I’m in Australia so it shows Oz time for me)

Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix

In the comments Justin Lum says “Btw.... furniture was rented.”

Regarding the Rent-A-Center furniture...would LE be able to use that info to support the belief that the Daybells are a flight risk? JMHO rented furniture seems like a temporary solution.
 
  • #891
Like the house was rented to become a killing zone with the setup. The whole CV/AC interaction sounded like a setup to me, but I'm cynical as H*ll in my old age these days.

Edited for spelling

I was thinking more along the lines of the possibility that there was a rug or something else in that room that was removed to stage the scene... Although I'm not sure why they would move the body, if CV was shot standing on a small rug the rug could have been used to drag him to the location he was found. Then the rug could have been disposed of by Lori who left the scene in CV's rental car. Again, not even sure where I'm going with this line of thinking but we have a very empty room with a body laying in a position that seems staged IMO. Neither Alex nor Lori had any blood on their clothes nor their hands. And there's no blood splatter that we know of observed at the scene while CV's body is laying there (before the LEO cleaned up). They had time to clean up and stage the scene before calling 911. Lori had an opportunity to remove items from the scene in a rental car that might not have been impounded or searched (we don't know if police took it in to check for forensics or if it got returned to the rental place and any possible transfer evidence lost). We know CV's wallet was missing and Lori took his phone. I'm wondering what else was taken or tampered with before that 911 call.

MOO.
 
  • #892
Let me go through the media thread I’m sure that’s how I understand it. I also understand they have the jeep used. MOO
Yes, LE has the jeep. Don't know about any video though. Haven't heard that before.
 
  • #893
I can't go there with you..yet. What is so key to me, is when did they actually start their relationship. We can see how manipulative Lori is, and I know I have seen somewhere (I think here on this site, but getting confused) that Chad was very strong willed--controls over Tammy etc. I think they "were a match made in Heav---er---Hell"


Yah~I don’t even believe my own thoughts from yesterday anymore. Tells you what a day can do in this case. Even what an hour can do. It sounds like someone on island spoke with him yesterday and he’s still standing by her....which completely debunks my thoughts from yesterday morning in his involvement. Because if it’s true he’s still standing by her accounts and lack of info on the kids~he’s equally as culpable. I’ll be happy when they are both off Kauai. I just hope answers come quickly on JJ and Tyler whereabouts for all of those who truly love them. It’s heartbreaking.
 
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Yah~I don’t even believe my own thoughts from yesterday anymore. Tells you what a day can do in this case. Even what an hour can do. It sounds like someone on island spoke with him yesterday and he’s still standing by her....which completely debunks my thoughts from yesterday morning in his involvement. Because if it’s true he’s still standing by her accounts and lack of info on the kids~he’s equally as culpable. I’ll be happy when they are both off Kauai. I just hope answers come quickly on JJ and Tyler whereabouts for all of those who truly love them. It’s heartbreaking.

Don't forget. He lies, too. There's no telling, in my opinion, what he's really planning. Jmo
 
  • #896
Yes, LE has the jeep. Don't know about any video though. Haven't heard that before.
Are you referring to the jeep that was registered to CV that was used in the attempt on BB? I believe the poster was talking about a rental car that LV had on the day of CV’s death.
 
  • #897
I was thinking more along the lines of the possibility that there was a rug or something else in that room that was removed to stage the scene... Although I'm not sure why they would move the body, if CV was shot standing on a small rug the rug could have been used to drag him to the location he was found. Then the rug could have been disposed of by Lori who left the scene in CV's rental car. Again, not even sure where I'm going with this line of thinking but we have a very empty room with a body laying in a position that seems staged IMO. Neither Alex nor Lori had any blood on their clothes nor their hands. And there's no blood splatter that we know of observed at the scene while CV's body is laying there (before the LEO cleaned up). They had time to clean up and stage the scene before calling 911. Lori had an opportunity to remove items from the scene in a rental car that might not have been impounded or searched (we don't know if police took it in to check for forensics or if it got returned to the rental place and any possible transfer evidence lost). We know CV's wallet was missing and Lori took his phone. I'm wondering what else was taken or tampered with before that 911 call.

MOO.

I wondered about the video released when they interviewed AC on the curb. He sat right next to a garbage can. It looks like it was garbage pick-up day. Maybe they delayed calling 911 until the garbage had been picked up. JMO
 
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I was thinking more along the lines of the possibility that there was a rug or something else in that room that was removed to stage the scene... Although I'm not sure why they would move the body, if CV was shot standing on a small rug the rug could have been used to drag him to the location he was found. Then the rug could have been disposed of by Lori who left the scene in CV's rental car. Again, not even sure where I'm going with this line of thinking but we have a very empty room with a body laying in a position that seems staged IMO. Neither Alex nor Lori had any blood on their clothes nor their hands. And there's no blood splatter that we know of observed at the scene while CV's body is laying there (before the LEO cleaned up). They had time to clean up and stage the scene before calling 911. Lori had an opportunity to remove items from the scene in a rental car that might not have been impounded or searched (we don't know if police took it in to check for forensics or if it got returned to the rental place and any possible transfer evidence lost). We know CV's wallet was missing and Lori took his phone. I'm wondering what else was taken or tampered with before that 911 call.

MOO.
I missed the earlier discussions of this I think, but was AC, LV, or any of the other people present taken in for questioning after the shooting? It seems like there would’ve been a very very thorough investigation. I was surprised reading that LV had a pool party, when I would’ve thought she would be busy at the police station answering the many questions there should’ve been regarding CV’s death.
 
  • #899
IIRC, the smell of cadaver is very distinct and can be picked up months even yrs later. So even if the duffel didn't leak, it likely would have given off a traceable signal for dog''s etc. They also had those large plastic bins which could have held some physical evidence. Plus the police were alerted to the Unit, and searched it in November, long before we were aware it existed! I believe they probably have a ton of evidence against these ppl. and we are not yet privy, as is typical of all open investigations... They may even have a confession from someone cooperating but without bodies they are waiting to charge LV and CD. Remember they only get one chance because of double jeopardy and they would want the case to be rock solid. My god I got chills watching the storage place footage!!

I agree that LV and CD may well throw AC under the bus for all of it, essentially killing him as a 'plan B' if police were closing in. No way to defend himself or contradict the story... unless of course they can locate the bodies and confirm he was nowhere near the area in the time frame they died. JMO.


This is interesting to know. It would seem that without hard evidence and the ability to establish a reasonable doubt in a jury trial, these two could walk free. I truly hope the investigators have some hard evidence.
 
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The church thinks autopsies are okay of the loved one of the dead give their consent nowadays, but Chad wasn't your everyday Mormon, and the old stuff didn't support autopsies or cremation very much. As I said, some don't go for it, but that doesn't mean everyone.

You're right about cremation, but I don't know where you're getting this idea about autopsies from. It's possible you're right -- I'm not an expert on autopsies within Mormonism. But it seems that those with LDS experience that I've seen here aren't with you on the autopsies part.

You're of course correct when you say some families may not go for autopsies, but again help us understand where you're getting the claim about LDS culture/tradition.

(Sorry to be a little picky here, but): I also don't really agree that "Chad wasn't your everyday Mormon" either, unless you're only talking about his unorthodox beliefs/visions. But it seems that you're implying that he was perhaps more "traditional/old school" than most Mormons (maybe I'm interpreting you wrong). I know of no evidence to support that. His family/background seems entirely normal for active Utah Mormons.
 
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