Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #26

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According to the law in Idaho, biological grandparents have no standing for custody of a child who has been adopted. Which makes sense.
Thank you
 
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@glorybug @BigAl16 – read your replies to my posts in previous thread RE looks & RE: counties - just wanted to acknowledge your responses & thanks for the feedback!

I’m curious why Chad has outstanding property tax, even a balance on his mortgage- the money from Tammy could have easily paid these in full. I’m not sure what that says about his state of mind. Was he going to leave his adult kid(s) residing in the home high & dry with a surprise foreclosure? I’m guessing at some point he’ll be charged- I’m thinking he wasn’t considering that at all given their Hawaiian lifestyle. Legal representation just for Lori will probably tank him.

Lastly, I wonder if the man sitting next to him in court was an attorney? Sorry if that was discussed already- I’m jumping around playing catch up & losing the battle!
 
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Right? :D



Lots of people who participate on these forums use anonymous names, throw-away emails, and utilize VPN. They're already worried about government agents watching them, so it'd be pretty difficult for the church to figure out who everyone was. There will also be a lot of fringe-type believers who lie if they are ever questioned directly as they believe fervently that god has shared with them special, secret things, not to be revealed to someone lower on the ladder... even a bishop or a stake president.



See my comment above. When you're already living with extreme paranoia, you're not using your real name and identifiers on these forums... at least not unless you're a published author or speaker.



Because at the core, they believe the LDS church is the true, restored church. If they splinter (or get excommunicated), they lose clout with their communities. It's not just a financial decision. Being LDS is far more than belonging to a church. It's a way of life that saturates everything. Even leaving the church once you've lost your faith isn't a straight-forward decision. You can lose your job, your social standing, affect your kids, and fracture your family. Obviously Chad and Lori don't care about a lot of those things, but leaving is not simple. There's a huge, huge core belief that roots folks to the church. Add a business model that includes LDS books and a subscription forum? You definitely don't want to leave.

My family members passionately believe the LDS church is the true and everlasting church. They just believe that there are problems, and that it's under condemnation. They also believe they will be the ones called up to fix it in the last days. And finally, they believe that all their previous lives have led up to this moment in time where they are covenant members... they aren't going to give up that position easily.



Sorry, but the same question can be asked to the LDS church at large. Only a tiny percentage of the world's population belongs to the Lord's one true and everlasting church. If the call to belong to this church is so important (eg: the only way to get to the highest level of heaven), why wouldn't the Lord announce it to a broader audience, instead of to a small group whose influence may only reach a few? Is that the way the Lord loves his children? Warn only those who happened to read a book?

I know you'll disagree with me. I am still a member on record though I'm struggling to sort out the differences in theology with how I was raised (extreme end of days type) vs mainstream LDS, but this is one of the many issues I have with the church's truth claims. Add the mainstream teaching that there isn't progression through kingdoms and one life only is pretty bleak, even if members manage to baptize everyone in the millennium.



People splinter and start their own religions when they believe the mainstream church is too far gone or corrupt, or when they believe god or angels told them to do so. They absolutely lose clout with the mainstream body of the church and often only manage a few thousand members of support. The new church can't sustain itself financially, and eventually fails. There are lots of reasons to stay under the umbrella of the mainstream church, the primary one being that the fringe groups we're talking about don't consider themselves fringe at all. They still believe in the truth claims of the LDS church, but believe they are given extra important information and they'll be rewarded when Jesus comes again.



Members do believe in personal revelation and fostering a personal relationship with god. I'd say that MOST members do not visit the temple to receive special visions. I grew up in an extreme version of mormonism and my parents having visions was not the norm. Not unheard of, but definitely not the norm, if that makes sense. Members do visit the temple to pray for comfort or seek specific answers to questions: Who should I marry, should I serve a mission, should I take this job offer, should I have another baby, etc.

But yes, I think Chad would find it tragic to be cut off from temple attendance... but he also might feel himself above temple attendance or justify a nature temple like Moses on Mt. Sinai. I actually have no idea if Lori has ever been endowed. She doesn't wear the temple garment and I don't think any of her previous marriages were temple marriages. She and Chad moved far too quickly to seek approval for a sealing there, so any sealing they may have had would have been an unauthorized one by Chad.
I think these people will be easy to find like MSM easily found where HS and CP lived and I had already found that out weeks ago with my own sleuthing so FBI will already have all the details IMO. They seem to be idiots and not above breaking the law, lying, cheating and scheming away, AFAICS. I think Chad and Lori are the tip of the iceberg of this bunch.
 
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Translated beings can't die, so why would she attempt suicide?
She may be wrong about that translated being stuff though....if she listens to HS.
 
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How much is it behind?

It's only the taxes for the second half of 2019. He currently owes $686.73.
Late fees will be added each month if it remains unpaid.
 
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Yeah, I like this judge so far. I think he had to lower the bond to $1 Million, to be fair. Idaho law apparently doesn't allow Lori to be held without bond based on her current charges. But setting it at $1 Million still shows he recognizes the extraordinary circumstances behind the charges and sees her as a flight risk. Murder suspects are usually given $1 Million bond in Madison county. Setting the bond at the "murderer level" means the judge recognizes Lori's alleged connection to 3 homicide investigations (which could be 5 homicides if we include the missing children). The prosecutor argued quite effectively the reasons Lori was a flight risk and the judge heard it. The only thing I wish the judge had done differently is to include that Lori must turn in her passport. The prosecutor requested that but I didn't see it in the conditions of her bond. Lori claims she doesn't have a passport, but I still think it should have been a condition of bond. MOO.
This may have been mentioned already as I’m not quite current, but the ‘pitbull in heels’ stated to the judge that LVD’s passport had expired.
 
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I'm probably the only one here, but I think Lori knew right away when the bond was set at $1 million that Chad would have difficulty bailing her out. Watch Lori's face when the judge set bail at $1 Million. She briefly closes her eyes and gives a very slight grimace but pulls herself together so quickly I couldn't capture it on a screenshot. It's at about 37:50 minutes into the video:
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Her attorney also seems to briefly look towards Lori, when the judge says $1 million but Lori doesn't look in the female attorney's direction, so she turns her attention back towards the judge. To me, the attorney's brief glance at Lori revealed she knew that amount was not what they were hoping for (she was arguing for $10,000-$50,000 after all).

MOO.
I'm a worse case scenario kind of thinker, and I kinda hoped it would go down, but not enough. As much as I hated to admit it, I found the original bail gleefully unconstitutional for the charges they have used thus far. I hope that if CD makes bail, it would drive down the defense money, and if he
doesn't, it might put some chinks in LD's perception of him. She seems to be a very vindictive person, let her feel a disappointed and abandoned by him.

Now I'm off to work. I'm sure there will be fifty pages when I get back!:)
 
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Thanks for pointing that out! Maybe her lack of bail is less to do with a bond company having ethics and more to do with the realization that funding bail won’t allow for funding legal representation. Perhaps she’ll not get out until she is sentenced and served her time.
I'm probably the only one here, but I think Lori knew right away when the bond was set at $1 million that Chad would have difficulty bailing her out. Watch Lori's face when the judge set bail at $1 Million. She briefly closes her eyes and gives a very slight grimace but pulls herself together so quickly I couldn't capture it on a screenshot. It's at about 37:50 minutes into the video:
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Her attorney also seems to briefly look towards Lori, when the judge says $1 million but Lori doesn't look in the female attorney's direction, so she turns her attention back towards the judge. To me, the attorney's brief glance at Lori revealed she knew that amount was not what they were hoping for (she was arguing for $10,000-$50,000 after all).

MOO.
 
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After watching the hearing, it appeared toward the end that her attorney expected she would bail out. Lori didn't represent to her own lawyers that she had more funds/deeper pockets did she? I hope the feds turned Chad before the hearing. (can't think of another reason he showed up, unless she has something on him/blackmail. He should be well represented by now and can't image HIS attorney saying - yeah, show up for Lori, because that's in your best interest at this time. Or, maybe he is a stupid dufous and didn't listen to the advice of his lawyer.
BBM
Whether he listened to his lawyers or not, that statement is true.
 
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My stomach sunk as I read your words.... I feel this is quite possible, myself...
It stated that he was looking to donate it to a charity. It would be nice if they gave it to a missing kids charity wouldn't it?
 
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Ok, got it.

But it's not Lori's debt. I still think it could have been mentioned though.

I thought the two had married. If so and the marriage is legitimate, she's likely co-owner of the home and co-owner of that debt.
 
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Now they have to wait for his records to get back from Hawaii! :rolleyes:

Can someone remind me where Loris records are?

Wonder if Chad moved his records back to Idaho since that is his ‘residence’.
 
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They've applied to basically be his foster parents through the state of Idaho. "Guardian ad liteum ". Which I probably didn't spell right. I believe he's a ward of the state atm. Jmo

In this particular situation, it has merits. But hopefully, this is an anomaly. It would be terrible if this case sets a precedent for future biological Grandparents to assert rights over adopted children.
 
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@glorybug @BigAl16 – read your replies to my posts in previous thread RE looks & RE: counties - just wanted to acknowledge your responses & thanks for the feedback!

I’m curious why Chad has outstanding property tax, even a balance on his mortgage- the money from Tammy could have easily paid these in full. I’m not sure what that says about his state of mind. Was he going to leave his adult kid(s) residing in the home high & dry with a surprise foreclosure? I’m guessing at some point he’ll be charged- I’m thinking he wasn’t considering that at all given their Hawaiian lifestyle. Legal representation just for Lori will probably tank him.

Lastly, I wonder if the man sitting next to him in court was an attorney? Sorry if that was discussed already- I’m jumping around playing catch up & losing the battle!

BBM: That's EXACTLY what he planned in my opinion. The ONLY person Chad cares about is Chad.
 
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I wonder who the witness is who is being flown in from Hawaii. A cell mate?? :D It could be the landlord saying no kids and pets.

That other question I have keeps popping into my head and then disappearing just before I type it. I hate when that happens.

I keep wondering about that too. Maybe the prospective landlady they talked to for a few hours?
'Free of the spouses, free of the kids': Parents of missing children applied to move into Hawaii home in November

Or maybe a Kauai detective? I believe they had someone in LE running surveillance on Lori and Chad and they saw no evidence of the children ever being with them. That would be pretty huge in this case. MOO.
 
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Can someone remind me where Loris records are?

Wonder if Chad moved his records back to Idaho since that is his ‘residence’.
from our timeline, regarding Lori transferring her record to Hawaii but not Chad.

Approx 7 Feb 2020 - Lori officially has her membership record transferred into a new congregation (ward). Tylee and JJ’s church records were not transferred into the ward, and neither were Chad’s (East Idaho News).
 
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