Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #28

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Webb didn't agree with the continuance to May, but then again it must be complicated to have lawyers from different firms representing you. Means had her waive her right to the hearing next week so I suppose Webb might feel she is not listening to them. moo

It sounded like the disagreement was over the waiver Lori signed where she waived the 14-day requirement for a pre-trial hearing.

Webb was quite clear that he and Means would not be able to come to an agreement on that.

Means was also very clear that the client wanted to sign the waiver.

I can't begin to figure out why one might have been in favor and the other not. Is it clear to anyone else?

Not sure what else there is to unravel here.

<start arm-waving>


Webb and Company have a huge case load at the moment and want to run with what they have now before the SHTF? They know Edwina could handle the charges as they stand with their backing but not really up for federal charges so they want to run with the ball while they know what kind of ball it is they are holding.

Means is honoring LDs wishes because that's his job as her attorney? LD is following Means because that's why you pay them? Dunno. I can certainly understand waiting to see what evolves before appearing in court.

eta: I forgot a player: The prosecution needs more time to build their case either way.

<end arm-waving>

Clearly, they can at least agree to disagree. o_O
 
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I agree so much. We are going to be so into watching her body language with a female judge!

Thank for the calendar.. looks like Oct 2 was nothing special. Are we certain, if her kids were school age, that they were in Gilbert public schools?
I think they were all fairly young but am not sure of the ages. There is a picture in MSM of all four with BB and MB in the waves on a beach. MB is carrying an infant and the other three are running beside them. I'll see if I can find the article.

ETA This isn't the article I was thinking of but it does have a pic with 3 of the children and the article describes them having 4 young children.

'Cult' mom' Lori Vallow's s niece denies knowing where missing kids are despite speaking with FBI on three occasions
 
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Makes me wonder about JJ's risperidone meds.
Seems most likely AND she could argue accidental OD. meaning 3rd degree murder or no murder at all. However, because of her other observed actions and people dropping like flies, they may have a case for 1st degree murder. Their might be a deal if she reveals the body. But if she gets life anyway, there would be no incentive to do so. If she could get the death penalty, then reduction to life might make her talk.
 
  • #604
This is the most damning of all for Chad. LE show up out of the blue looking for JJ and Chad lies. He doesn't say Lori doesn't have any minor children, or my wife is an empty nester like he told others, he says he doesn't know her very well or know her phone number then tries to drive off. What did he think he was doing?
Here's something else I thought about. 2nd Oct butt slap day, BB shooting, 4th Oct Tammy goes to parents, 9th Oct shooting attempt against Tammy. The gun cases going in and out of storage seem to coincide with the attempt against Tammy.
Agreed! LE knows that when someone lies about basic things or things where they don't have to... that the person is a con.
CD IS A CON! LE should pick him up on anything while the case builds, he should not be free.
 
  • #605
I hope you're right the state don't have to do much to prove the lack of support. Just wondering why both sides need another two months before the next court appearance? Perhaps they think more charges may be coming, as we do.
If there aren't more charges by 2 months, something is very very wrong. These people were sloppy and brazen.
 
  • #606
I think they were all fairly young but am not sure of the ages. There is a picture in MSM of all four with BB and MB in the waves on a beach. MB is carrying an infant and the other three are running beside them. I'll see if I can find the article.
RIght... i vaguely remember that picture as well. With further thinking, I do not think MBp had intent to pick up kids... I assume she had to make sure her whereabout were clearly in Idaho, so if BB was killed, she would get the call to come pick up her kids. And reviewing the time chart, she went back to the Chandler house with Alex to clear stuff out---and not until the very end of the month. This does confuse me a bit. Were BB and MB renting different places in Gilbert AND Rexburg?? I guess I thought she was "missing" in October, according to BB's reports to LE and the PI. SO..was this Chandler house where she lived with BB and her children.? And WHY would she go and clean it out
 
  • #607
Not sure what else there is to unravel here.

<start arm-waving>


Webb and Company have a huge case load at the moment and want to run with what they have now before the SHTF? They know Edwina could handle the charges as they stand with their backing but not really up for federal charges so they want to run with the ball while they know what kind of ball it is they are holding.

Means is honoring LDs wishes because that's his job as her attorney? LD is following Means because that's why you pay them? Dunno. I can certainly understand waiting to see what evolves before appearing in court.

eta: I forgot a player: The prosecution needs more time to build their case either way.

<end arm-waving>

Clearly, they can at least agree to disagree. o_O

I'm of the thought it was that the not only were the two firms weren't working well together, they were blindsided with daily details flowing in about other charges that they may have ignored from the get go..?

I get the idea Webb / Edwina interviewed her, with barely a cursory look at what was up, and were actually ignorant of the conspiracies. She likely fed them a lot of lies to make herself look innocent, tossed her hair, focused on the kids only "who are safe" and these busy attorneys bought it.

A half an hour on the web would have clued them into the truth. This thing is going to blow up, and be big. They finally saw the handwriting on the wall. A quadruple murder case, involving 3 or more States? I don't know if the firm has that under their belt yet. It's pretty steep. This wasn't the "child custody" case the Daybells' have been lying to everyone about. And yeah, "it's going to come out in court".

Oh well, Lori and Chad lied, and now these attorneys took a big retainer and are walking off their team. This gets expensive! Their motion to withdraw should be up by Monday.
 
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Not sure what else there is to unravel here.

<start arm-waving>


Webb and Company have a huge case load at the moment and want to run with what they have now before the SHTF? They know Edwina could handle the charges as they stand with their backing but not really up for federal charges so they want to run with the ball while they know what kind of ball it is they are holding.

Means is honoring LDs wishes because that's his job as her attorney? LD is following Means because that's why you pay them? Dunno. I can certainly understand waiting to see what evolves before appearing in court.

eta: I forgot a player: The prosecution needs more time to build their case either way.

<end arm-waving>

Clearly, they can at least agree to disagree. o_O
Oh, right; I would assume that lawyers disagree all the time. But a disagreement that made one party want to bail out of the case completely after just a few days made me think that perhaps I was missing something here about why a difference of opinion abt that 14 day timeframe was likely to be so critical, and that maybe it was obvious to everyone else!
 
  • #609
@OGDiva Thank you.
Regarding my letter to Chad.
I had written a similar letter a hundred times but was always worried that the message of the letter would get back to Chad and the family. I was afraid of what they might say or do to me because everything was simply here-say, conjecture, and "speculation and rumor".

I originally thought there was no way he could have hurt Tammy. He couldn't have been involved with Lori except as podcaster and a friend before Tammy's death.

This video of his brazen and disgusting behavior with Lori shows how bold he was behind Tammy's back. It emboldened me as well. I'm not scared anymore.

Signatures don't appear without a login. I'm sure they could make an account to see it here. If they're that desperate to search for folks who might be investigating them, I imagine there's nothing we can do about it. And then, I was more worried about them finding me out. I decided to use the avatar and signature as a sign that, yes, I know what's gone on, and I'm not going to live in fear anymore. I'm not going to out myself, but I'm not going to let Chad's crimes scare me. I know him for what he is/has become now.

This video shows more than a man helping a friend put a tire and seat in a storage unit. It shows a relationship beyond anything acceptable behavior. It calls into question the email with dancing videos, the visit to CV's house in November 2018, the list of 7 goals, increasing Tammy's life insurance, the fake email Chad from Charles, <modsnip: removed info not in MSM>Tammy's spirit helping him reconnect with Lori... everything. He's deceived Tammy, his children, lied to law enforcement, everyone else. What else has he done to cover up these lies? What would he be willing to do to continue covering up his infidelity?

To me there is no question. If he was this far in the affair with Lori on Oct 2nd and lying about it, he had motive to kill Tammy later that month.

Bravo, RexburgSleuth, Bravo! This sounds so trivial compared to your post, but there have been times I've been afraid to keep posting the timeline for this case. The people in this case scare me worse than the Coronavirus right now. I have no connection whatsoever to Idaho, AZ, TX, UT or HI nor to any of the people in this case at all. I live very far away in the eastern US. This case grabbed my attention early on only because I have a nephew around the same age as JJ, who also happens to go by the initials JJ. That's my only reason for continuing to follow so avidly-- those kids JJ and Tylee have captured my heart and they deserve Justice. And Tammy, CV, all the other victims do too... I'm careful with my words here and I try to word things with qualifiers such as "allegedly" but there are times when we need to call a spade a spade. We can't let fear rule what we say all the time. There are times when the truth must be put plainly for those who may be blinded by their unwitting friendship with the devil. I'm not calling anyone in particular the devil, I'm writing metaphorically. But hopefully it will be understood what I'm trying to say.

<modsnip: religious commentary is not allowed>

MOO = My Opinion Only
 
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Oh, right; I would assume that lawyers disagree all the time. But a disagreement that made one party want to bail out of the case completely after just a few days made me think that perhaps I was missing something here about why a difference of opinion abt that 14 day timeframe was likely to be so critical, and that maybe it was obvious to everyone else!
When you bill by the hour (like hundreds per hr), then 14 days is a lot of hours. Why give your attorney the time to work up a defense when it's just costing you a lot of money? (sarcasm) Either someone saw the big picture or someone else is missing it entirely.
 
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RIght... i vaguely remember that picture as well. With further thinking, I do not think MBp had intent to pick up kids... I assume she had to make sure her whereabout were clearly in Idaho, so if BB was killed, she would get the call to come pick up her kids. And reviewing the time chart, she went back to the Chandler house with Alex to clear stuff out---and not until the very end of the month. This does confuse me a bit. Were BB and MB renting different places in Gilbert AND Rexburg?? I guess I thought she was "missing" in October, according to BB's reports to LE and the PI. SO..was this Chandler house where she lived with BB and her children.? And WHY would she go and clean it out
I just reread BB's filing document about this and it says she left Az straight after the attempt and her whereabouts were unknown. We believe she was the possible sister in Rexburg. She and Alex must have then returned to move her stuff out leaving the kids stuff on the kerb at the beginning of November.

READ: The court documents filed by the ex-husband of Lori Daybell's niece | East Idaho News
 
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Slight change of topic but I am currently pondering the logic behind Lori and Chad going to Hawaii to get married, coming back and then returning to Hawaii. I know we're not going to get an answer to this but it might be interesting to pool a few theories.

What sparked this thought was Lori telling the hired nanny on Sep 24th that she was in Hawaii (a lie) and "in about a month, when they come back, that I could work again."

At that point Tammy was still alive, Lori would rent the lock-up exactly one week later, and Tammy had the masked-man encounter the following week on Oct 9th.

If we assume Tammy was meant to die on Oct 9th, the wedding could have been planned for around Oct 26th, if we use the same 2-week model that was used after her actual death. That would be closer to the month timeline that Lori gave the nanny.

Anyway, I do think it is another clue that shows premeditation of Tammy's death and a trip to Hawaii to get married. I just don't know why they would have planned to come back and go again. Maybe it was because she couldn't clear the house out until she knew Tammy had died and she had to be back to coordinate the stuff in storage?

all moo
 
  • #614
No it's not clear to me. I can understand how it might benefit the prosecutor if there are going to be additional charges but I don't see why defense should want to cooperate with or assist the state. It kind of makes more sense to me to try to push the state to prove at the soonest opportunity what they have, or release the defendant. Unless he knows already it is a given that the state has enough evidence - then the extra time gives him time to read his law books.

moo
.. and proofread his website :D
 
  • #615
I can't begin to figure out why one might have been in favor and the other not. Is it clear to anyone else?

My guess is Webb/Elcox felt more time and more evidence was not in the defenses best interest, since the prosecution is only trying to prove probable cause and the defense’s goal would be be to get the case dismissed (probably on a technicality).

Alternatively, (multiple choice, pick all that apply)
A) could have seen the enhanced video of the butt slap/storage unit B) realized the difficulty defending someone that can’t discern fact from fiction/delusion
C) concern regarding the SLC LEO summit and the potential avalanche of more charges coming
D) realized the risk they may not get paid after she couldn’t make bail/has no support outside of Chad
 
  • #616
Slight change of topic but I am currently pondering the logic behind Lori and Chad going to Hawaii to get married, coming back and then returning to Hawaii. I know we're not going to get an answer to this but it might be interesting to pool a few theories.

What sparked this thought was Lori telling the hired nanny on Sep 24th that she was in Hawaii (a lie) and "in about a month, when they come back, that I could work again."

At that point Tammy was still alive, Lori would rent the lock-up exactly one week later, and Tammy had the masked-man encounter the following week on Oct 9th.

If we assume Tammy was meant to die on Oct 9th, the wedding could have been planned for around Oct 26th, if we use the same 2-week model that was used after her actual death. That would be closer to the month timeline that Lori gave the nanny.

Anyway, I do think it is another clue that shows premeditation of Tammy's death and a trip to Hawaii to get married. I just don't know why they would have planned to come back and go again. Maybe it was because she couldn't clear the house out until she knew Tammy had died and she had to be back to coordinate the stuff in storage?

all moo
So 2 failed attempts, BB on 2nd Oct and TD on 9th Oct delayed their plans until after 19th Oct. So I agree and I don't understand either why two trips to Hawaii - first to get married at the beginning of November then return to spend Thanksgiving separately then back on the 1st December until LVD was extradited. What was the purpose of the two trips? Just so Chad could spend Thanksgiving with his kids? Where did Lori go?
 
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Since he's also hearing Kay's custody case there would seem to be a good reason for him to not object removal. That would cause an issue down the line.

No. That motion was made as a "back up" motion by Lori's attorney but that is not why the judge disqualified himself. His ruling was on the first motion to disqualify himself "without cause". Idaho law allows a "do over" and the defense (or the prosecution) can ask for a new judge one time without any reason at all given. There are many criminal cases every day all across this nation where custody issues are concurrent with the criminal cases (criminals often have their children taken away while they are in jail) and the same judge presides over both cases. I've never seen it be a conflict of interest unless the judge is related to the people (and that would be a conflict for the criminal case as well). This judge decided to grant the first motion and withdraw without any reason given because the law allows that upon request in a timely manner. The motion about there being a possible conflict was not even mentioned in court and it is moot now.
 
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Case Information

CR33-20-0302 | State of Idaho Plaintiff, vs. Lori Norene Vallow Defendant.


Case Number
CR33-20-0302

Court
Madison County Magistrate Court

Judicial Officer
Mallard, Michelle Radford

File Date
02/18/2020

Case Type
Criminal

Case Status
Active - Pending

Nate posted a link to an interview he did with Michelle Mallard back in 11/2018. Word is that she's tough.
Newsmakers Encore: Judges Dane Watkins, Michelle Mallard explain our legal system | East Idaho News
What is this for? The file date is 18 Feb so it can’t be for yesterday’s motion, can it? I hope her district judge is a hard core female as well!
 
  • #619
So 2 failed attempts, BB on 2nd Oct and TD on 9th Oct delayed their plans until after 19th Oct. What I don't understand is why two trips to Hawaii - first to get married at the beginning of November then return to spend Thanksgiving separately then back on the 1st December until LVD was extradited. What was the purpose of that?
Exactly. I wonder if Lori intended to apply for some sort of documentation following her marriage, like a passport, which required her to be in ID, but when the police came they just decided to go sooner. I'm completely ignorant as to whether she could have done this from Hawaii, maybe it required longer residency or other referees?
 
  • #620
What is this for? The file date is 18 Feb so it can’t be for yesterday’s motion, can it? I hope her district judge is a hard core female as well!

That date might be the original file date. The info about the new judge was updated yesterday. That’s what’s new
 
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