Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #28

[tresir2012]

Great question. The only part I remember reading (somewhere) is that they told her JJ was at Kay and Larry's (JMO in case it wasn't posted here from a verified source), which would still raise the question if I were MG, as to why they needed her to lie.

Ah ok, same as AxC told LE. But yes that would still make her think why IMO.

 

[tresir2012]

I don't know what photo you are talking about and maybe it isn't relevant to my question, but how can you tell from a photo if someone is likely an active Mormon? Is it the clothes covering temple garments (if that is the right terminology?)? Or is there something else you are seeing?

ETA: Genuinely curious, and I don't doubt you. Rereading my question it seems glib and that wasn't my intention.

Maybe the cheerleader outfit and the bikini wear in the Mrs Texas competition could give a bit of an inkling, I guess.

(And that's just AxC JK)

 

[Sachi]

Did MG ask them why they wanted her to lie, I wonder? I mean you would ask why, before saying no.

yes, for instance a reply of " What?.. Why?" , seems likely

 

[Picklepuck]

Big Al.. you have raised conjecture. Do you think that she was always more of an edgy Mormon? ( i know from her high school friend she seems to be an earnest Moron, no alcohol etc) but could have she been edgy in the way she led her life. And maybe this far-out stuff that the LDS followers/who were churning out this "out there stuff" just gave her the advantage of mixing her crazy life of having been raised harcore Mormon and living a crazy life, and thus being able to turn it into her way of reconciling both with getting on board with the "Chads of the World"?

An "earnest moron"...lol.

 

[tresir2012]

There is a lot of talk today about MG, some related to the delay in her contacting LE Dec 6 after they contacted her to ask about JJ on Nov 26. I thought this was significant and posted about it earlier but it was pointed out to me: MG was contacted by local Gilbert LE, at the request of Rexburg LE, to ask if JJ was with her. She did not hide or evade the question or lie. As soon as LE reached her Nov 26 she told them the truth. The Dec 6 date is when she called Rexburg PD. Dec 6 is not the first time she talked to LE about JJ.

MOO, MG is not part of the JJ's disappearance.

From the timeline:
26 Nov 2019, about 9:30 pm - Rexburg PD have not heard from MG so they call Gilbert PD. LE in Arizona go to MG’s home but she is not there. GPD reaches MG by phone; She tells them JJ has not been there for several months. (Affidavit of Probable Cause Doc; East Idaho News)

What did she actually tell LE on the 6th Dec? That they both rang her and asked her to lie and they said he was with KVW? So on the 26th she just said JJ hadn't been there for months but did not mention being asked to lie for them.

 

[BobLive]

I don't know what photo you are talking about and maybe it isn't relevant to my question, but how can you tell from a photo if someone is likely an active Mormon? Is it the clothes covering temple garments (if that is the right terminology?)? Or is there something else you are seeing?

ETA: Genuinely curious, and I don't doubt you. Rereading my question it seems glib and that wasn't my intention.

Not being glib but thinking about it, an active member of the LDS church worked as my secretary. She became engaged to a young man who was also actively involved in the church. His family and hers attended the same Ward, I think it's called for their Temple. Anyway, I didn't know right away, but it soon became evident that she wore undergarments that showed, and I was told by some of our coworkers that you can tell a when a woman wears those garments that means she's Mormon.

I can't really remember what else, except she dressed very plain, almost old-fashioned and little or no makeup. JMO, hope this helps!

 

[tresir2012]

I'm sure you didn't mean to call her an earnest Moron... <moo>

Many a true word spoken in jest.

 

[tresir2012]

Perhaps in her conversations with other podcasters, etc., she mentioned the calls she got on Nov 26th, and the other person mentioned they hadn't seen JJ or hear Lori mention him. Just an example. Basically, something could have made her realize something fishy was going on. It may be something she told police that hasn't been mentioned to the public. After all, we only know what is being released, and one day we will look back and it will make sense when we get those missing details. I wasn't trying to prove a point, I was more or less thinking out loud. Lol. Sometimes when I read other people's ideas or thoughts, I go off on a tangent in my head and I try to see if the theory has any merit or truth to it. Feel free to scroll when you see my comments, especially today. Lol.

No problem, we all get thoughts when discussing each others theories. Brainstorming and trying to make sense of it really.

 

[divineappt]

It's on Reddit, so I can't post link, but in the Lori Vallow subreddit, you can find it. Once in the subreddit, type comedy in search bar and it should pull up link. Posted 25 days ago. It's on youtube as well.

I just searched “Alex Cox comedy” on YouTube and them.

 

[VeryVeritas]

RSBM
Back to CV's shooting. In trying to find a quote by AxC I went back and listened to the 911 call he made on July 11 and also watched the police bodycam footage. There is a brief period of overlap where you can hear the same thing on the 911 recording and the bodycam. Basically this proves AxC is claiming on the phone to be doing chest compressions on a person with multiple chest wounds* and directly from there walks outside and has no blood on him, his clothes, or his hands.

Police later find blood on the sink which AxC says is because he washed his hands.

Why did he have (literal) blood on his hands after shooting CV from across the room? But not have blood on his hands when he is doing CPR on CV's chest that is full of holes?

*from bodycam footage we hear 1 officer say "is that 3, 4, 5 shots?", we hear the officer with the bodycam tell another officer who appears to be marking shell casings "there are a couple more shell casings over there" and we have someone at CV's body saying "exit wound here, entrance wound here, exit wound here,...he's been shot many times"

All interesting details and mystifying what kind of training LE has in that town in AZ.
How many times do you need to shoot an unarmed person in the chest?
The intent was clearly to kill, and the shooter was not nervous under the circumstances, and knew how to use the weapon properly.

 

[VeryVeritas]

Good question-Mishandled by LE from the get go, all witnesses are gone, and without evidence of premeditation, abysmal.

I wouldn't say totally absent evidence of premeditation.
LVD's quick call to collect life insurance is a clue...
There may be emails, texts or other evidence that can be pieced together.
Also, there is CV's own words that if something happens to him, it is because of her...
There may be enough pieces to build a case. At the same time, if CV's murder led to the murder of the children, that sentence alone might guarantee life in prison without parole. It would be better if she has multiple sentences to ensure she never gets out.

 

[Tricia]

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[carbuff]

Ok, who? This person is never seen? Is it family? Cult member? Or is there a drug cartel connection? LE has access to everyone's phone records... or did they all use burners tossed regularly when communicating with the invisble man/woman? The talking cult people would know if there are other dark elements in the cult, right? Would like to see some kind of proof others were involved...

Yes, but LE probably has a great deal of information that they're still following up on that hasn't been released to the public yet. There are plenty of friends, family members, associates, cult members whose names haven't made it to the public as well.

 

[VeryVeritas]

Yes, but LE probably has a great deal of information that they're still following up on that hasn't been released to the public yet. There are plenty of friends, family members, associates, cult members whose names haven't made it to the public as well.

That's what I was seeking to ferret out... If there was someone else woven into this, they managed to evade any news, videos, they didn't rent an apartment next to LVD, AxC, or MBP, etc... If they aren't family they could be sleuthed. BB or someone else close enough to smell it but not be a party within could reveal if there were other key people involved. They might exist, but I'm not seeing it... no one else is answering doors when LE asks questions, no one else is showing up at the storage unit. There might be someone else in the YNP photo. MG and JR didn't mention other people's names (that we know of). So if there is another hand in this, it's being kept very quiet. If BB is truly afraid to say more than what he has, then I might believe there is a larger network and larger conspiracy here. The fact that only 2 people from the "cult" groups have come forward is not a very good sign. I really don't care what they believe, but if they don't see the problem with the deaths and missing children... they should definitely be suspect. They should all be talking and revealing what they know, not just 2 people.

 

[BigAl16]

Big Al.. you have raised conjecture. Do you think that she was always more of an edgy Mormon? ( i know from her high school friend she seems to be an earnest Moron, no alcohol etc) but could have she been edgy in the way she led her life. And maybe this far-out stuff that the LDS followers/who were churning out this "out there stuff" just gave her the advantage of mixing her crazy life of having been raised harcore Mormon and living a crazy life, and thus being able to turn it into her way of reconciling both with getting on board with the "Chads of the World"?

It's a tough call. All the people who have talked about where she was religiously and in every other way until the last few years have painted her in one way (reasonably normal and, at least someone straight arrow). But there are signs that, at least by Mormon standards, maybe she wasn't (the five marriages and at least some of the dress style isn't a good fit, for example). But that's edgy as in nromh more worldly whereas the edgy I think you're talking about is carrying the religious aspects over the top. By the standards of even mainstream Mormons which are over the top compared to many other (but not all) mainstream religions, she appears to have done that recently, but everyone seems to think that was recent. So it almost seems like she went from one extreme to another.

MOO

 

[BigAl16]

Makes me wonder if Mommacass is still following this thread? She knows the people that wrote that.

If only it was the same Mammacass. Maybe Grace will feel a need to drop in and discuss now.

MOO

 

[BigAl16]

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And the off topic discussion didn't get deleted?

 

[Anonymom]

i definitely do not disagree with you. But it only adds to my wonders of Lori really ever being a Mormon. Were her children taught Mormon beliefs? Were they baptised in the Church? Did they even go to Church. I am fairly certain that the first four husbands were not Mormon. I know Charles converted, but believe we have seen comments that even he was a better "practicing Mormon" imo imo. This is why I keep hoping we can learn more and investigate more about the parents.... I donno..... I just feel as much as we try to psychoanalyze Lori, we know NOTHING, unless we understand her underlying roots and upbringing.

In a TV interview BB did with reporter Adam Herbets, Herbets mentions that BB baptized Tylee. Joshua would have been too young. This is interesting because it is most common for a father to baptize his children. This hints that Charles Vallow, stepfather, and Joseph Ryan, father, were likely less active in the Mormon church than Tylee’s cousin’s first husband, BB. I am not sure I even remember hearing anything about JR’s religious beliefs.

Verification in video but not written article.

https://fox13now.com/2019/12/22/family-members-say-mother-of-missing-children-in-rexburg-jo

 

[lurker042]

Tammy said the person who shot at her "ran off around
the back of my house."

Locals, where do you think the shooter would have parked his vehicle that he ran behind the house? It appears to be a rural area.

I know. Its 3 acres of nothing right? Surrounded by nothing.

I've thought of this too; but if @RexburgSleuth knows Chad by his walk, I should hope/expect Tammy would know him by his run.

The shooter could not have simply disappeared on this property. There is too much open area around the house and on the property. So....either the perp(the mystery masked man) was already on the property and stayed there or was helped to escape the property by one of those that already resided there. There were supposedly only 2 people at the house when TD arrived from her meeting. We never heard if CD came to her call but we did hear the the oldest son searched the neighborhood for the masked mystery man. LE did arrive about 10pm as TD did call for them.

 

[BigAl16]

In a TV interview BB did with reporter Adam Herbets, Herbets mentions that BB baptized Tylee. Joshua would have been too young. This is interesting because it is most common for a father to baptize his children. This hints that Charles Vallow, stepfather, and Joseph Ryan, father, were likely less active in the Mormon church than Tylee’s cousin’s first husband, BB. I am not sure I even remember hearing anything about JR’s religious beliefs.

Verification in video but not written article.

https://fox13now.com/2019/12/22/family-members-say-mother-of-missing-children-in-rexburg-jo

It's been discussed that Lori got Charles to convert after they got married. From @Gardener1850 timeline, Tylee was born in 2002. Charles and Lori married in Feb 2006. Tylee would have turned 8 (normal baptism age) in September 2010. At that point she and Charles would have been married 4 1/2 years. So first we have the question of how soon she convined Charles to convert. It easily could have been after Tylee was baptized. But even if it was prior, not any member can perform a baptism. A man has to have a specific level of what is called "the priesthood" before they can perform a baptism. I'm not sure how quickly a new adult member is typically going to take to get to that point, but think it very likely that Charles wasn't in a position to fill this role when Tylee turned 8. JR and Lori were also in the middle of their multi-year battle over custody and such. Tylee might not have wanted Joseph to baptize her (assuming he was a member in good standing and able to) and I suspect even if she felt that way that Lori would have discouraged it. I'm not at all surprised that BB did it.

MOO