Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #29

[squareandrabbet]

I don't even have words for ordering a ring and gown before the current wife is gone, but Kay and Larry have known about this order and Lori's search history for a very long time. And Lori/Chad knew they knew.

Hey Chad, how DO you explain this to Tammy's family??? We'll wait.

Plus the 400+ pictures taken of the wedding, she says helpfully

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

I don't even have words for ordering a ring and gown before the current wife is gone, but Kay and Larry have known about this order and Lori's search history for a very long time. And Lori/Chad knew they knew.

Hey Chad, how DO you explain this to Tammy's family??? We'll wait.

Plus, ordering it under your dead 4th husband's name..these people are beyond sick.

 

[indicolite22]

I don't even have words for ordering a ring and gown before the current wife is gone, but Kay and Larry have known about this order and Lori's search history for a very long time. And Lori/Chad knew they knew.

Hey Chad, how DO you explain this to Tammy's family??? We'll wait.

We don't know when the wedding dress was ordered. According to the EIN article search history shows that someone was searching for wedding dresses on Oct 3, a day after the ring purchase.

ETA: How did Lori and Chad knew that Kay and Larry were informed about the purchase(s)? The source given in the article is someone "close to the investigation".

 

[Picklepuck]

I find it funny that LVD thought she wasn't leaving a paper trail when she made the amazon purchase, since she used CV's cc and account. She probably thought she was being so slick. Also surprised she sent it to her physical address and not her PO box.
The thought of her perusing amazon looking for wedding rings and dresses while her brother is in AZ trying to take out BB is is despicable. BB was shot at around 9:15 if I remember correctly....was she already aware that Alex failed, and then decided to go on Amazon? Or was she like, "Alex! Seriously? I'm trying to get my wedding in order and now I'll have to wait until tomorrow to order my dress, since I have to go put the tire and seat in the storage unit now." Not to mention that if CV's cc didn't go through, what would she have used to pay for the purchases? My gut says she used his cc a lot more than for just the ring and dress. JMO. Sounds eerily similar to Alex using Stacey's cc after her death. I'm starting to wonder if Alex was the sicko from day 1 and that Lori eventually found a way to use his cunning and twisted desires to kill people, to her advantage. Maybe not, but these bizarre series of events certainly had a starting point. Truly is mind blowing no matter how it all started or how it will all end.

 

[Mae123]

Very good point. That is probably what she will say - that the CV19 rules will effectively be house arrest.

I think COVID-19 will be the argument for the bail reduction... Unfortunately for the kids I don’t believe there’s anything else to go on such as proof of life etc...

 

[indicolite22]

I find it funny that LVD thought she wasn't leaving a paper trail when she made the amazon purchase, since she used CV's cc and account. She probably thought she was being so slick. Also surprised she sent it to her physical address and not her PO box.
The thought of her perusing amazon looking for wedding rings and dresses while her brother is in AZ trying to take out BB is is despicable. BB was shot at around 9:15 if I remember correctly....was she already aware that Alex failed, and then decided to go on Amazon? Or was she like, "Alex! Seriously? I'm trying to get my wedding in order and now I'll have to wait until tomorrow to order my dress, since I have to go put the tire and seat in the storage unit now." Not to mention that if CV's cc didn't go through, what would she have used to pay for the purchases? My gut says she used his cc a lot more than for just the ring and dress. JMO. Sounds eerily similar to Alex using Stacey's cc after her death. I'm starting to wonder if Alex was the sicko from day 1 and that Lori eventually found a way to use his cunning and twisted desires to kill people, to her advantage. Maybe not, but these bizarre series of events certainly had a starting point. Truly is mind blowing no matter how it all started or how it will all end.

Since Chad was seen with Lori on Oct 2, maybe they picked out the ring together. It was also mentioned after she was arrested that she was using Tylee's bank card as well.

 

[Sltpeppa]

Very good point. That is probably what she will say - that the CV19 rules will effectively be house arrest.

If she does claim the CV 19 is an issue then the judge can remind her that she is translated and can't die. lol

 

[jjenny]

I don't even have words for ordering a ring and gown before the current wife is gone, but Kay and Larry have known about this order and Lori's search history for a very long time. And Lori/Chad knew they knew.

Hey Chad, how DO you explain this to Tammy's family??? We'll wait.

I imagine explanation will go something like that. Chad being a visionary, knew Tammy was going to depart into the better world very soon.

 

[indicolite22]

Hmmm seeing as I don't think she likes jail, even though Chad has in the past touted being joyful during the struggles of the end times, no I don't think it's possible. And the #1 and 2 reasons her bail won't be lowered. Quite a few other reasons as well, but those 2 stick out like a sore thumb.

Do you think she would (if she's let out) enjoy living with Chad and his children in his and Tammy's house?

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

Interesting. I'm expecting the opposite-- no crazy religious beliefs will be brought up in court by the defense IMO. Instead she will try to claim someone else took her children and she has no idea where they are now. Maybe she will claim (through her lawyer) that JJ's grandparents are hiding him and they are persecuting her through the police and courts out of spite because her brother Alex shot Charles. And she might keep saying (through her lawyer) that Tylee is in college somewhere but is an emancipated teen and stopped communicating with her, so she doesn't know where she is either. Neither explanation will make any sense but I expect she will double down on whatever explanations she has given to her lawyers and followers already. I'm basing that on Lori's past history of interactions with the police and others outside the cult.

Some examples:

1. When she talked to the police after Charles was murdered she knew not to mention any religious beliefs at all and she blamed the victim. She made up a bunch of lies about Charles being abusive and mean. She had been telling her friend in Hawaii the same lies and had been lying to her family saying Charles was cheating on her before he died. None of her lies had a religious component.

2. In early 2019, after she had stolen money from Charles' business bank account, changed the locks on the house, removed all his clothing, his business computer and anything of value from the house, taken his truck so he couldn't get back from the airport, canceled his flight, hidden Bailey's collar and JJ's meds, JJ's clothing and i-pad, etc, Charles took her purse and car keys to try to prevent her from leaving the parking lot of JJ's school so that she could be served with the order for a psych eval. Lori went straight to the police (with a friend) and told a story that made herself the sympathetic victim and made Charles look like a controlling/abusive spouse who stole her purse. She didn't mention any religious beliefs to the police then.

3. Lori has passed at least 2 psych evaluations in the past, which indicates to me she knows not to bring her crazy religious beliefs up. The first one we know about was in 2011 during a joint child custody case involving Lori, Charles, Charles ex-wife Cheryl and Lori's ex-husband Joe Ryan. Lori tried to make an excuse to get out of that one, but in the end she ended up showing up early for her appointment and as far as we know nothing was uncovered. The 2nd psych eval she passed was in early 2019 right after the purse incident- she was in and out within a matter of hours. If she had mentioned anything about Charles being possessed by a zombie named Nick Schneider I believe they would have held her for observation.

4. During that same time period as the 1st psych eval mentioned above a judge ordered cameras in Lori and Charles' home because of accusations of some kind against her (we don't know what the accusations were). Nothing untoward was ever captured on camera. IMHO Lori knew she was being filmed and was able to control herself as long as the cameras were there.

5. We have records of Lori talking to JJ's school and other people such as the dog trainer and nanny. She knows not to use her religious beliefs as an excuse for her behavior with them. She makes up other lies instead. Sometimes pointless lies-- such as telling JJ's school Charles committed suicide and telling the dog trainer that Tylee was already in college in Idaho when Tylee was at home and would move with them. She lied to make herself seem like a victim who was forced to move out of state and uproot her children's lives because of "circumstances beyond her control" when the reality is she is making choices on where to move and what she wants to do.

Lori is very cunning at this lying game and has seemingly been doing it all her life, never accepting any personal responsibility for failed marriage after failed marriage or anything else that happens to her. When her 2nd marriage ended she told a friend that Colby's father didn't want a relationship with her and Colby. We don't know the truth of the situation, but she was the one who filed for divorce in that marriage. I think the wild religious beliefs are only shared with people they perceive share their beliefs and will accept that as an excuse. Believing your children and/or spouses are zombies has never been grounds for murder and it never will be. Lori and company are well aware of that IMO. I expect instead of revealing their wild beliefs we will see more wild accusations against other people such as the ones made against Brandon in the letter from Melani's lawyer.

MOO.

I can't like this post enough. SUCH a great analysis of her immoral and corrupt character. This post should be saved and sent to the prosecutor(s) when the time for justice comes. So many victims already. Moo.

 

[OGDiva]

If she does claim the CV 19 is an issue then the judge can remind her that she is translated and can't die. lol

OK, this comment made me spit out my coffee! Thank you so much for a little laugh on this gloomy day.

 

[CSIDreamer]

We don't know when the wedding dress was ordered. According to the EIN article search history shows that someone was searching for wedding dresses on Oct 3, a day after the ring purchase.

ETA: How did Lori and Chad knew that Kay and Larry were informed about the purchase(s)? The source given in the article is someone "close to the investigation".

They knew (if my brain is working) because that's how Kay got the address for the welfare check on JJ. Jmo

 

[indicolite22]

I imagine explanation will go something like that. Chad being a visionary, knew Tammy was going to depart into the better world very soon.

I doubt his visions or anything spiritual will be brought up as part of the defense. It's a can of worms. They might argue that those were just an ordinary ring and dress which were later used for the wedding.

 

[FindingJoLee]

We don't know when the wedding dress was ordered. According to the EIN article search history shows that someone was searching for wedding dresses on Oct 3, a day after the ring purchase.

ETA: How did Lori and Chad knew that Kay and Larry were informed about the purchase(s)? The source given in the article is someone "close to the investigation".

In late November, right before the welfare check, Kay guessed Charles' email password correctly. From there, Kay located Lori's whereabouts through discovering that a shipment from an Amazon purchase was sent to an Idaho address. Finding Lori's Amazon purchases is what led to the welfare check -- Kay now had an address to give to the police.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I doubt his visions or anything spiritual will be brought up as part of the defense. It's a can of worms. They might argue that those were just an ordinary ring and dress which were later used for the wedding.

I cant wait to see when they booked their wedding trip and associated details to Hawaii. Maybe more ordinary stuff. jmo

 

[indicolite22]

They knew (if my brain is working) because that's how Kay got the address for the welfare check on JJ. Jmo

Yes, I remember now. Kay had access to Charles' Amazon account. How come we don't have the receipt for the dress as well?

 

[CSIDreamer]

Yes, I remember now. Kay had access to Charles' Amazon account. How come we don't have the receipt for the dress as well?

Maybe she got it elsewhere. Jmo

 

[indicolite22]

Maybe she got it elsewhere. Jmo

Could the search history info still come from Kay or is it a leak by investigators?

 

[tresir2012]

We don't know IP's apartment no. do we? I presumed he meant next door to IP as it was IP writing.

They could have moved into Melanie's apartment as it seems Alex must have moved to Az early December, so it's a bit difficult to understand what they mean. Maybe Alex moved into Chad and Lori's apartment when they went back to Hawaii. MOO

 

[CSIDreamer]

Could the search history info still come from Kay or is it a leak by investigators?

It could come from Kay. I see a lot of my search history on Amazon. Jmo