Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom arrested* #33

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  • #221
I agree with your overall statement that that they all knew what was going on in each other's lives. She knows more than she's pretending to. However, I actually believe she has shown concern over LE's presence and actions, but she's desperately trying hard to pretend like it hasn't bothered her. And it is because of this that suggests to me that she is deeply involved and intertwined in this whole mess. Her words and actions betray a guilty conscience, despite protestations to the contrary. As an example, from the interview with Nate Eaton (BBM):

Eaton: When did you guys find out there was an investigation and JJ and Tylee were missing?

Melani: I’m foggy on this date but (Rexburg Police) Detective Hermosillo and another gentleman had come to my door while I was moving my stuff in so it had to have been early in November – I’d guess the second week in November.

I get a knock at the door, and I open it and see police, and I’m jumpy because what is my ex up to? What’s the next thing? Are my kids OK?

The detective said, “Do you know who lives next door?” And I said, “Yes, I think Alex’s name was on the lease, so sometimes my uncle’s over there, sometimes my aunt goes over there,” and I didn’t know what that was about. That was it. That was my first encounter with Rexburg Police.

Eaton: And that’s when they said the kids are missing?

Melani: No, no. This was early November. Then right before Thanksgiving, we’re driving down to Arizona to meet Ian’s family and have Thanksgiving, and I get a text from (Rexburg Police) Lt. Ball that says, “Somebody’s broken into your home. I need you to call me right away.”

I’m immediately like, “Oh great. My ex has sent somebody. I knew he had a private investigator following me, and I immediately thought he sent somebody to come break into my house. I didn’t know what to text back – I was kind of processing it.”

Then later, I texted back, “Well, I’m with people I love on Thanksgiving, and at least that’s what’s important.” If whatever the heck was taken – I had my emergency cash savings and I had a computer, an iPad, an old phone I didn’t use – I didn’t know what had been taken, but I was like, if my whole apartment is robbed, it’s OK. I got everything I need. It’s not about things.

Then he said, “I need you to call me,” and then I later found out it was the Rexburg Police. They had knocked down my door and taken a lot of my things. I kind of felt bothered about the text I got but I understand they’re just doing investigation.

As soon as I returned after Thanksgiving, I went right into Detective Hermosillo and was like, “What’s going on? I’m here to get my stuff.” He asked me about my previous marriage, what was I doing here, and he asked me about Lori and Alex. I was an open book and said, “Here’s what I know. Lori and Chad had left probably right around when I was going down to Arizona. They packed up and left, and I think it was a planned move. It wasn’t last minute because they had talked about moving to Hawaii at some point. They told Ian when they met, ‘You’ll have to come visit us in Hawaii sometime.'”

So here we have Melani admitting that she was nervous and "jumpy" when she first encountered Rexburg Police when they came knocking on her door. What would cause her to be nervous and jumpy around police? Well, the very next words out of her mouth indicate that it's because she feels it's in regards to her husband, Brandon Boudreaux. She couches her words to make it sound like it's because she thought Brandon was up to no good, or that her children were in danger, but I'm not buying it. We have the text exchange between BB and MP wherein she essentially tells BB that she was moving to Idaho and for him to keep the kids. He tried to get her to reconsider, saying that the children needed stability and their mother in their lives (this despite the attempt on his life, clearly he was concerned for the best interest of the children), but apparently she wasn't interested in that. He then applied for full custody and she never showed up to court to contest it. This tells me that she was trying to distance herself from him and the kids, for some reason. The only believable reason, to me at least, why she would be nervous and jumpy with the police knocking on her door, and why BB was the first thing on her mind, was because there had been an attempt made on his life just weeks earlier and in all likelihood she thought they were there in regards to that. And why would she be scared for that unless there was reason to believe she was somehow connected to or involved with that attempted murder?

Well, as it turned out the police weren't there for her directly, they were inquiring about her neighbor, and if she knew who lived there. She told them her uncle Alex lived there, and they left. One has to wonder if the police even knew Melani lived there and knew of her relationship with Alex when they knocked on her door that day, or if they were trying to covertly investigate Alex at that point. Anyways, Melani claims to have not known "what that was about," but I suspect she did. Why would the police be looking to find out who lived next door unless the person who lived there was a person of interest in some kind of crime or investigation? And it's obviously not in regards to the missing children, as Melani admits.

Surely she would have talked with Alex and the others about the police asking around about him, right? That probably would have made everyone a bit nervous and edgy.

Later that month there is a welfare check for the kids (initially just JJ, until later they discover Tylee is missing too) and everybody in this family scatters like roaches when a light switch is flipped on. Chad and Lori hurriedly fly to Hawaii on a "pre-planned" trip. Alex apparently goes to Arizona to propose to ZP for a quickie marriage... changing his last name to that of his new wife, against all conventions and traditional norms (one has to wonder why. Surely it has nothing to do with trying to evade the law and justice, right?). And then we have Melani, who also travels down to Arizona to be with Ian's family for Thanksgiving and have a quickie wedding and adopt a new last name. Something happened that made everyone up and leave town at the drop of a hat. I'm betting there was a hurried family powow in regards to the missing kids and/or LE closing in on them about the attempted murder of BB. Whatever the case, the entire family is conveniently gone by the next day when the raid is performed.

As Melani is conveniently on her way down to Arizona LE from Rexburg texts her with disturbing news about a break-in to her home and that it's urgent that she call them. And of course she doesn't. According to her, "I didn’t know what to text back – I was kind of processing it." I believe that. I don't believe her excuse that she thought it was BB's doing, otherwise she would have called immediately as the law would have been on her side. If it were a break-in and it was as urgent as the officer made it sound (and she should have had no reason to believe otherwise, unless she were a guilty party to something more nefarious) then she should have reached out immediately to the police by calling them as instructed. What if the police were trying to find out if she or other family were ok or had been abducted? What if they needed her help to find a potential suspect? What if they needed other vital investigative information? In spite of the urgent and serious nature of the text she doesn't act how one would think. She doesn't act normal (and it is an act that she's putting on). Instead, she seems to fear/suspect the police and so she takes time to "process" the situation before replying some time later with a text that was designed to appear at once both innocent and dismissive. Her text comes across as passive aggressive - oh, you don't need to concern yourselves over me, I'm with those I love and so you should stop ruining my Thanksgiving holiday over some silly little break-in. She then goes on to rationalize rational lies her attitude and behavior for not treating the communication with LE more seriously by explaining that she just wasn't worried about property that may have been stolen. That's not the point! LE needed to talk to you over the phone about an important matter and you are acting completely out of character for an innocent victim! They needed information from you, and you knew it, but instead of helping them do their jobs you showed that you were more interested in protecting yourself by actively impeding their investigation.

The detective then replies back, again simply urging her to call them immediately. Which she never does. Instead she ignores the situation completely for several days. It isn't until some time after Thanksgiving, after she has gotten married, and has to go home and face reality again, that she finally gets in touch with LE about the situation. After she has had time to "process" the situation and come up with a defense. And then she again feigns innocence and ignorance - what's going on? Where's my stuff?

I'm sorry, but her words and actions don't speak to me of an innocent person with nothing to hide. Rather, they only make sense to me in light of someone involved in criminal mischief (whether of her own doing, or those she closely associates with and supports) and fear of subsequently getting caught. JMO.


At the very start of your transcript, the question was "When did you guys find out there was an investigation and JJ and Tylee were missing?"

Where in that transcript was the answer to that question?
 
  • #222
@Diddian, that "get the hell out of here" video is disturbing. He had to have heard that somewhere, it's not likely he came up with that on his own, he's a 7 year old little kid
Kids can learn to talk like that from other kids especially if they go to school with kids who have behavior issues or older siblings or parents who talk like that.
 
  • #223
48 Hours episode tonight 10e/9c is the Lori Vallow episode that was postponed a little over a week ago.
Thank you for the reminder.
I switched TV over to CBS and just waiting for it to start soon.
 
  • #224
Kids can learn to talk like that from other kids especially if they go to school with kids who have behavior issues or older siblings or parents who talk like that.

Colby, Kay and Larry, and JJ's school in AZ (LIFE Academy) would be able to attest to whether JJ commonly spoke like that. JJ had very little time (just a couple weeks) in Rexburg to pick up on that from other kids and it appeared his little neighbor friend at the townhouse community discouraged that kind of talk.
 
  • #225
I agree with you. I think the FBI quickly became involved after Kay inquired about JJ's welfare and LE learned that not only had Lori moved out of state, but also that BOTH kids were missing. At that point it became clear that LVD and AxC may have killed or were contemplating killing the two kids to eliminate them because they were witnesses to the shooting of Charles Vallow, as well as to aspects of the planning of that act. IMO, when JJ was caught on the neighbor's doorbell video repeatedly shouting out, "Get the hell out of here," he was telling in the best way he could what he had heard. I suspect Tylee disappeared first because Lori was still getting some of the paperwork straight with respect to JJ so she'd gain what funds she could first (arranging for social security survivor benefits, establishing that he was being schooled, notifying his former school that he was enrolled somewhere new).

I believe that killing witnesses to a murder or attempted murder, or to a conspiracy to commit murder/attempted murder to prevent those witnesses from giving statements constitutes "Special Circumstances" which could raise the potential penalty for those charges into death penalty territory.
DBM
 
  • #226
At the very start of your transcript, the question was "When did you guys find out there was an investigation and JJ and Tylee were missing?"

Where in that transcript was the answer to that question?
Great question.

In the very first paragraph, in answer to his question, she says this:

"I’m foggy on this date but (Rexburg Police) Detective Hermosillo and another gentleman had come to my door while I was moving my stuff in so it had to have been early in November – I’d guess the second week in November."

This makes it sound like it was when "Detective Hermosillo" came knocking in early November, just as she was moving in. However, when she goes on in her storytelling of this event she never mentions that they were looking for the kids at that time, and Nate Eaton has to ask her pointedly if that was when she learned of the missing kids, to which she says "No, no. This was early November," as though she didn't learn about it at that time but much later. She then goes on to ramble a bunch more, never answering the question.

Is that as clear as mud? Aren't you glad she's being so helpful in telling the "truth" and quashing all these rumors and silly speculations everyone has? :rolleyes:
 
  • #227
At the very start of your transcript, the question was "When did you guys find out there was an investigation and JJ and Tylee were missing?"

Where in that transcript was the answer to that question?
LOL-- I don't believe she ever answers that question.
She is very good at evading answers and rambling on about other things
 
  • #228
That is the thing. How much of this is the truth we don't know. Did this person consider a one time meeting knowing LVD? IMO there are a lot more people involved than what people think. High up people... follow the $$$. CD kids have been silent since her hired an attorney for them, but it would be interesting to see how they are feeling now. Like I stated in the first post there is a video floating around from one of his sons that doesn't sound like he was buying the story from the beginning.
I don't know if it is okay to post here or not, but you should be able to find it by searching on of CD children speaks out.
Thank you! Off to do more digging
 
  • #229
Quick question: Not sure if I can link something that appears to be a webpage written by Chad about his books. Does anyone know?
 
  • #230
On 48Hours, Lori's friend saying that members of the 144,000 chosen ones had to separate themselves from their children and congregate with the other chosen ones...yikes. Fits the situations of both Lori's kids and MP's kids.

(Also can CD be any nerdier on the video footage they keep showing?)
 
  • #231
Thank you for the reminder.
I switched TV over to CBS and just waiting for it to start soon.

Summer, the sister, has a smile & a laugh for everything.
Amazing how cheerful she is discussing death, missing children, etc.
MOO
 
  • #232
Most insurance will allow you to get 30 days worth of medication every 28 days so it would only be possible to “stockpile” about 2 dozen doses of Rispersal each year. There are other ways to “stockpile” drugs but all of the legal ones would leave a trail at the pharmacy. So.....I’m not buying this fairy tale her mom just floated.
 
  • #233
For me, I just keep coming back to the fact that the FBI, among MANY other agencies, deem the kids to be missing and have found absolutely NO trace of them. I just don’t think Lori and Chad can pull off some secret disappearance of the kids and leave NO trace!

I agree with other posters that the thought process was no body, no crime. Otherwise, surely there would be some trace evidence to follow? MOO
 
  • #234
The whole case is odd. Wish that they would hurry up and charge CD. I believe that because he is still free, they didn't find anything definitive in Tammy's autopsy.
 
  • #235
Watching also...that's new, is it not? April says one of the reasons she didn't accept Lori's invite to be one of the 144,000 is because she would have to separate from her children!

On 48Hours, Lori's friend saying that members of the 144,000 chosen ones had to separate themselves from their children and congregate with the other chosen ones...yikes. Fits the situations of both Lori's kids and MP's kids.

(Also can CD be any nerdier on the video footage they keep showing?)
 
  • #236
Quick question: Not sure if I can link something that appears to be a webpage written by Chad about his books. Does anyone know?

We are allowed to sleuth Chad because LE called him a POI in the children's disappearance.

We are only allowed to link things like blogs if you are 100% certain it's his website.

His book blog has been allowed in the past: cdaybell.com | The Official Website for Chad Daybell

If it's something else that is not verified to be written by him, then probably better not to link it or to message a mod to ask first (I am not a mod, this is my interpretation of the rules).

MOO = My Opinion Only
 
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  • #237
Most insurance will allow you to get 30 days worth of medication every 28 days so it would only be possible to “stockpile” about 2 dozen doses of Rispersal each year. There are other ways to “stockpile” drugs but all of the legal ones would leave a trail at the pharmacy. So.....I’m not buying this fairy tale her mom just floated.
She could have gone to Mexico and gotten as much (within reason) as she wanted legally and could have brought it back to the US legally with a prescription. Insurance wouldn't pay for it but drugs are MUCH cheaper in most other countries so could have been less than an insurance copay.

But I suspect she just wasn't giving it to him.

ETA: I have always found it odd that she was in Idaho for a month with the kids and had most of a bottle so apparently wasn't giving it to him. I think we heard that the bottle they found was last filled in February 2019. But she made a big deal out of telling the babysitter about the drugs to help calm him. The point is, even if she did something to him on September 24th, there is no evidence he was getting his meds regularly after February.
 
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  • #238
Lori asked Chad to "rate" her children? Tylee rated "4.1 D" as in "Dark". If Tylee was killed and buried in Yellowstone NP. She will never be found.

I wonder if Lori and Chad watch the shows about them?
 
  • #239
Lori asked Chad to "rate" her children? Tylee rated "4.1 D" as in "Dark". If Tylee was killed and buried in Yellowstone NP. She will never be found.

I wonder if Lori and Chad watch the shows about them?
I think they do and read all the social media sites. MP mentioned IP making a bad joke a out poisoning AC, obviously referring to online theories. I also think she changed her demeanor, stopped using the word "hype" and in the last video her hair was straight and looked less like LV's hair style. But maybe that is how she normally does it? Jmo
 
  • #240
I can't remember if you addressed this on the last thread, but do you have an opinion as to why they didn't test for any common poisons?

Autopsy is very different from what I do, and there are different credentials required (or not) in different places. Some places, a coroner job is by election or political appointment. If someone shows up in an emergency room like this, poisoning should be in one’s minds as a possibility (among many possibilities) and between labs and exam you figure it out and respond accordingly. We have no idea what labs were drawn in the ED (I assume EMS took him to a hospital). Once someone is dead...well, the tox screen was different from what I have seen at most hospitals for both some of the inclusions (methanol, gabapentin) and exclusions (benzodiazepines, opiates) . I also don’t fully understand what gets captured as “natural” death versus homicide. Do you need to have a knife literally in your back for homicide? The clinical presentation sure sounds like the ‘natural’ cascade of physiology when exposed to organophosphate. Even different hospitals have slightly different tox screen panels and different cutoffs for “positive” results. Mostly the menu choice for any given hospital is a financial decision made by administrators.
 
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