Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #10

[Ohmeohmy]

Was this posted yet?:
"Kauai PD tells me police are still assisting Rexburg Police as it's RPD's investigation. KPD can't disclose sensitive information right now. I also spoke to a relative close to this case who says it was less than a 1% chance Lori would ever show up in Idaho today."

Justin Lum Fox 10 on Twitter

GEEZ! I trust Justin's reporting too. He has been all over this case MOO

 

[tealrose]

Some more thoughts that may be helpful, and a couple links.

Regarding extradition:
There seems to be some confusion about how extradition works. A state that "does not extradite" from a certain region means that the state in question will not retrieve someone from another state. (Often because the expenses would need to be paid by the extraditing state. The extraditing state is the state that WANTS the person, and is responsible for the costs of retrieving them.

For example: Picture three states. State A is the state the crime was committed in. State B is a state that shares a border with it. State C is on the literal opposite side of the US. When State A puts out a warrant, it may decide, depending on the severity of the crime, that it will only extradite (pay for housing and transportation, to simplify) from certain near states. Therefore, if Person hides in state B, they would be extradited, while if they go to state C, they might not. State A, the extraditing state, always has the option to decide that yes, they DO in fact want to extend that range to retrieve this particular accused, even if they're clear over in state C, where they wouldn't normally retrieve from.

State A, the extraditing state, decides this, and sends a special kind of warrant (an extradition warrant, aka a governer's warrant) to the other state. (This can happen before an arrest, or after Person has already been picked up. Often, State A has a particular amount of time, often 30 days, to retrieve the Person.)

In this particular case, state A would be Idaho, while state C would be Hawaii. Hawaii's responsibility is just to provide the forum for the Person to potentially fight extradition, but that's generally just a delaying tactic, unless Person happens to be Wrong Person.

Regarding charges:
Sure, Idaho might not extradite for misdemeanors. But I don't think anyone really expects there to just be misdemeanor charges. It appears that Idaho, just by itself, likely has sufficient ability to prepare multiple felony charges against at least Lori. All it will take is custody being handed over to CPS. (More on that in a minute.) This would lead to at least two child custody interference felonies, one for Tylee, one for JJ. (Unless Tylee really is emancipated... then CPS couldn't take custody of her.) In doing some research of somewhat similar cases here in the NW, there's often other felony charges that get added to it

Regarding CPS & Custody & Jurisdiction:

Kay and Larry may or may not have the ability to file for emergency custody, since they’re from out of state. That’s actually probably irrelevant, because that’s unlikely to be the fastest nor the most effective way to do it. They’d have a higher bar to meet, and probably not have access to all the relevant facts, unless law enforcement shares it with them.

According to the Idaho Child Protection Manual (check out chapter 3), CPS jurisdiction does not require the child to be in the state for a specific length of time. In fact, it appears to show they can just be visiting, even, so long as they are present in the state. (I suspect, but don’t know, this may be fairly uniform across the US.) As the last place the kids are KNOWN to be, Idaho would be the only state to reasonably have jurisdiction.

So regardless of which of the ways they choose to use to obtain custody, CPS will almost certainly have custody of those kids very shortly. Tomorrow, if not tonight. I’m doubtful law enforcement’s already public declaration that the children are in danger is sufficient, because the children aren’t present, for the first option listed, so expect them to need an order from a judge, requested by the prosecutor, under the second option listed.

A judge is unlikely to deny it, with everything that’s already public, IMO, and it’s reasonable to think they may have even more info for court.

At some point after that, possibly as soon as tomorrow, I expect arrests, provided that they don’t misplace Chad and Lori. In the Logan Barkes case, Idaho extradited from Florida on felony custodial interference... and that was a much, much more straightforward case.

There are numerous cases, often for medical neglect, in which a state obtains custody after the parent has already taken off with the child. Sometimes, the parent is even arrested when the children haven’t yet been located.

Regarding their lawyer:
Gotta admit, I’m curious what he’s up to today. Not headed to Hawaii, though, he could do them no good there. They’d need a local attorney.

 

[Portiz34]

Tylee went to Kapa'a High School at least one semester. She shows up on the honor roll for Fall 2017. I agree they probably had a circle of friends but they were not on Kauai very long (~1 year) and they likely socialized in Princeville which is hardly a "local community." It's mostly tourists and part time residents. I doubt they had too many local friends.

True. And intentional probably. We dont leave our house unless to get groceries or check my mail but ugh, just knowing they were here and probably at the same beaches YUCK! Theres Hanalei Colony Resort, which closed during the flood and they dont have internet and pride themselves on a more disconnected and private type stay...FYI

 

[Ohmeohmy]

Was this posted yet?:
"Kauai PD tells me police are still assisting Rexburg Police as it's RPD's investigation. KPD can't disclose sensitive information right now. I also spoke to a relative close to this case who says it was less than a 1% chance Lori would ever show up in Idaho today."

Justin Lum Fox 10 on Twitter

GEEZ! I trust Justin's reporting too. He has been all over this case MOO

 

[tealrose]

dbm duplicate

 

[Ohmeohmy]

January 30,2020

https://twitter.com/KimPowellTV/status/122299934820980326


[URL='https://twitter.com/KimPowellTV']Kim Powell
@KimPowellTV[/URL]

After about 3 and a half hours, JJ and Tylee’s grandparents are heading back to the hotel to rest. They told us they couldn’t tell us anything until the 5pm press conference. #azfamily #Rexburg #MissingKids

2:45 PM · Jan 30, 2020·Twitter for iPhone

 

[RexburgSleuth]

If Tammy was poisoned for example, who could have done it without Chad's knowledge? She died in their house at night, with him present. It's not like there was an intruder involved.

Exactly part of the reason I'm leaning that direction. The prior owner added the front porch with glass door that we've all seen in the warrant search video. There's no breaking and entering there without someone knowing. I'm not as sure about how secure the back door might be. Regardless, if doors were left unlocked, that's inside assistance.

Then comes the question of administering the poison. How's that to be done without anyone else residing in the home at the time getting poisoned as well (ETA: or not knowing about it)?

 

[cmiller8617]

We have our own communication method on Kauai - its called the "coconut wireless" which can spread faster than any newspaper or social media post

So do people put little hand written notes inside coconuts and pass them around?

 

[RexburgSleuth]

After about 3 and a half hours, JJ and Tylee’s grandparents are heading back to the hotel to rest. They told us they couldn’t tell us anything until the 5pm press conference. #azfamily #Rexburg #MissingKids

Kay and Larry. We love you. We're praying for you and your grandchildren. We're all sad you had to come to Rexburg, "America's Family Community", for this heart wrenching reason.

 

[tealrose]

And a couple more thoughts...

Whatever they’re doing regarding custody, the paperwork is almost certainly already prepared. If there is activity after 5 at the courthouse, that’s gonna be it. But I bet they either do it discreetly, if tonight, or disguise it among regular proceedings tomorrow. Actually, it’s a small town... does anyone local know if they even normally have court proceedings on Friday? It would be unusual in my hometown.

We won’t know any of this happened until they arrest - or attempt to arrest. Unless Kay and Larry are told, and allowed/decide to share.

 

[Portiz34]

Prayers for the truth and safety of all who are innocent in this case and justice and judgment for those involved in any wrong doing!

 

[fred&edna]

As a consolation prize, I could accept this scenario:

Lori, in handcuffs, police issue ones
Chad standing there in his Pumas, baggie of cash in hand
Sadly waving buh bye

Jmo

I know we all want JJ and Tylee to be alive and well - and to be cared for by people who love them. We all want justice to be served and the guilty punished. But, there is something satisfying about the thought of Meemaw Queenie Lolo in prison garb.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I know we all want JJ and Tylee to be alive and well - and to be cared for by people who love them. We all want justice to be served and the guilty punished. But, there is something satisfying about the thought of Meemaw Queenie Lolo in prison garb.

With. No. Curling. Iron.

 

[GoneGoldfishin']

Not true.

Lori took out JJ to "homeschool" him. There is virtually zero oversight for homeschooling in Idaho. No required tests, no letters to superintendent, no teaching qualifications (even for special needs children), nothing.

EDIT: The only thing "required" in Idaho is to teach your child the same subjects as public school....yet there is still noone/nothing to check that you are actually doing that.

JJ would have an IEP, probably from AZ as there was not enough time for him to have another one created in Rexburg. If he doesn't get the recommended services, couldnt she be charged with neglect through DDD? Not just any random person can provide the services in the IEP; if he needs OT, PT or Speech therapy, only a licensed therapist or someone under the direct supervision of that therapist (i.e teacher or para, who would have to collect data and send it at least monthly to the therapist). That is how it works here in AZ. I honestly don't know what would happen if a student with an IEP were to be homeschooled since I never did that. I know that if I felt my son was not getting the services required in the IEP there were channels to file complaints through DDD and disability rights organizations. Moo.
ETA: Link to HSLDA stance on children with special needs:
HSLDA | Special Needs : Introduction

 

[155etta]

Kay and Larry Woodcock's 5pm press conference... anyone have a link in preparation for this?

I'm looking.
Our local news stations are:
Home - LocalNews8.com | KIDK.com | KXPI.com - KIFI
kpvi.com | News That Works For You
East Idaho News

 

[diggndeeperstill]

Kay and Larry. We love you. We're praying for you and your grandchildren. We're all sad you had to come to Rexburg, "America's Family Community", for this heart wrenching reason.

I second that. I’ve always said and thought from all outward appearances- i personally would be honored to have them as grandparents for my child. They seem like the most loving and caring people.

 

[Patch Tuesday]

why wasn't there missing persons fliers and photos of them out up around the island? In case anyone saw them or the kids?

From what I understand, LE knew they were there in HI for some time but were watching them quietly in hopes of being led to the kids or getting some idea where they might be. Flyers would have tipped them off and made them bolt again. I'm certain (ETA: in my opinion of course) they're being watched very closely 24/7 right now and hopefully things will move along more quickly by tomorrow.

 

[sunflowerchick]

JJ would have an IEP, probably from AZ as there was not enough time for him to have another one created in Rexburg. If he doesn't get the recommended services, couldnt she be charged with neglect through DDD? Not just any random person can provide the services in the IEP; if he needs OT, PT or Speech therapy, only a licensed therapist or someone under the direct supervision of that therapist (i.e teacher or para, who would have to collect data and send it at least monthly to the therapist). That is how it works here in AZ. I honestly don't know what would happen if a student with an IEP were to be homeschooled since I never did that. I know that if I felt my son was not getting the services required in the IEP there were channels to file complaints through DDD and disability rights organizations. Moo.

An IEP is a learning plan for the public school. It wouldn't be applicable for homeschooling. In fact, it isn't even related. I get where you are trying to go, but there isn't anything illegal about homeschooling your kid with no supervision in Idaho and other states.

 

[Bazinga]

reminds me of david koresh and waco in a way. the defiance and steadfastness. wonder if LE has a game plan for this scenario.

This worries me too.

Just started following this case - it's mind boggling! I also have a worry/feeling that Lori and Chad could choose to end it all and then the poor grandparents may never know where JJ and Tylee are or what happened to them. Given Lori has previously told a friend something like "the end is coming anyway, maybe we should just drive off a cliff". The thing that frustrates me is that while Lori and Chad believe the end is coming, they are still living a sweet life, smiling, happy while it's their spouses and her children that are dead or missing.

 

[PinkPrincessPoop]

JJ would have an IEP, probably from AZ as there was not enough time for him to have another one created in Rexburg. If he doesn't get the recommended services, couldnt she be charged with neglect through DDD? Not just any random person can provide the services in the IEP; if he needs OT, PT or Speech therapy, only a licensed therapist or someone under the direct supervision of that therapist (i.e teacher or para, who would have to collect data and send it at least monthly to the therapist). That is how it works here in AZ. I honestly don't know what would happen if a student with an IEP were to be homeschooled since I never did that. I know that if I felt my son was not getting the services required in the IEP there were channels to file complaints through DDD and disability rights organizations. Moo.
ETA: Link to HSLDA stance on children with special needs:
HSLDA | Special Needs : Introduction

That link says you CAN. It is NOT required, definitely not in Idaho at least.

Idaho Homeschool Law - HSLDA <---- homeschooling laws for Idaho.