Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #11

[Kalamos23]

BBM. Could he have obtained the death certificate from Hawaii or he should have brought it with him? If the latter, then why would he take it with him, when he only went to Hawaii to write?

We had to pick it up personally from the vital records dept. and it took a while to get it (7 days? Maybe a bit longer, that time period was a blur). That might be why they waited 2 weeks to get married.

 

[Jethro4WS]

So Lori could have used either her divorce decree from Joseph Ryan or Charles’ death certificate.

Lori would need to provide neither of those since both events would have occurred more than 30 days prior to applying for a marriage license. The requirement to produce any document is if either event occurred within 30 days of the application.

 

[Sheila Terranova]

I’m feeling a little hysterical about the children. Shouldn’t time be of the essence in finding them if there is a chance they are alive? I assume they aren’t if for no other reason than a teenage girl wouldn’t be silent under these circumstances. Is the grim conclusion that they have been killed so there is no rush in bringing Lori in to custody?

 

[KonaHonu]

We had to pick it up personally from the vital records dept. and it took a while to get it (7 days? Maybe a bit longer, that time period was a blur). That might be why they waited 2 weeks to get married.

The one time I needed a death certificate the funeral home got it for me and mailed it. It came within a couple of days.

 

[BigAl16]

Doesn't she get widow benefits from the dead husbands? I know she was divorced from JR but I believe she got some life insurance, also as she was legally still married when CV was killed, would she receive widows benefits as well? What about any joint assets they had like the business?

There is the possibility of inheriting assests of some kind or receiving a lump sum from life insurance. That's money to spend, but not income as such. I don't think life insurance is typically paid out as a monthly amount over a long period of time, so calling that income would be questionable.

Income as some kind of government benefit based on having been married to a spouse who died while she was married to them, the answer is no. If the spouse and/or Lori were both older (say 62 or more) then that possibility would exist. As far as that goes, at some age the possibility exists that she might still collect from social security based on a deceased spouses past income. I'm not sure the rules as to what does and doesn't go, but had a girl friend who at some point in her 60s started collecting an amount that was based on a deceased husband's historical income rather than her own. The husband died while she was married to them, she'd been married and then divorced after, but had also had kids (all adult) with the first husband. What was a factor to allow her to collect based on his income, I'm not sure, but know she had to be a certain age first regardless.

 

[Kalamos23]

The one time I needed a death certificate the funeral home got it for me and mailed it. It came within a couple of days.

Yeah, the funeral home could have gotten it for us too, but it was going to take the same amount of time. They can’t issue it until the coroner signs off iirc.

 

[Chewy1972]

Re: Death certificate I asked my mother who lives in Rexburg when and how they received my Grandmother’s Death Certificate she stated that the Funeral home does all of this and it can take as little as a week or up to several weeks.

 

[ReadyorNot]

This came up way back. Under Texas state law a convicted felon may possess a firearm in the residence, in which he lives, once five years have elapsed from the date his sentence was discharged. This means the later of release from prison or parole. This is not true under federal law.

Long story short? A convicted Texas felon can legally own a gun in their home so long as they meet the abovementioned legal terms. But if prosecuted under federal law, the same resident can be convicted of the crime of illegally possessing a firearm.

My note: I have no idea whether Alex could legally purchase a gun, (background check) however there is the gun show/gift loophole, and since he can legally possess a gun I don't think the police in AZ bothered to ask.

The shooting happened in AZ so it doesn't matter what TX law was.

 

[BigAl16]

Widow benefits from Social Security start at age 60. She would be able to get SS death benefits for JJ (because he’s a minor) though due to CV being killed.

I suspect that age might be higher now. There was a time you could retire "early" under social security as early as 55. It's progressively gotten higher so it is 62 (I think) now. "Normal" retirement age has also gotten higher. I'm not sure how low it was, but it was 65 for a long time and is now set to slowly creep up to at least the 67-68 range with talk of raising it more.

 

[CSIDreamer]

The one time I needed a death certificate the funeral home got it for me and mailed it. It came within a couple of days.

The few times I got them it was the funeral home, too.

 

[jjenny]

Yeah, the funeral home could have gotten it for us too, but it was going to take the same amount of time. They can’t issue it until the coroner signs off iirc.

In Tammy's case sounds like coroner signed off on the day Tammy died.

 

[jjenny]

The shooting happened in AZ so it doesn't matter what TX law was.

His assault conviction was in TX which is why we are discussing TX laws.

 

[fred&edna]

The shooting happened in AZ so it doesn't matter what TX law was.

I think it does matter.

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[Kalamos23]

I suspect that age might be higher now. There was a time you could retire "early" under social security as early as 55. It's progressively gotten higher so it is 62 (I think) now. "Normal" retirement age has also gotten higher. I'm not sure how low it was, but it was 65 for a long time and is now set to slowly creep up to at least the 67-68 range with talk of raising it more.

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It’s 60 for death benefits, older for regular.

 

[ReadyorNot]

His assault conviction was in TX which is why we are discussing TX laws.

Yes, I understand that. However, his right to carry in TX is irrelevant. The shooting happened in AZ and he lived in AZ, so all that matters is AZ law.

 

[Chewy1972]

Think about it at the time nothing was suspected... so there was nothing that would cause them to delay issuing the death certificate so it could have potentially have been issued in a week. IMO

 

[ReadyorNot]

I think it does matter.

Restore Gun Rights - Firearm Rights for Felons

He may have been able to restore his rights in TX but that would have no bearing on AZ laws. AZ would have had to restore his right to own a gun because that is where he lived, and that is where he would presumably want the right to own a gun.

 

[KonaHonu]

Getting back to the kids...

There are really only 2 possibilities.

1. They are safely stashed away with someone
2. They are dead

I suppose they could be unsafely stashed away as well.

We all have our own idea which of the possibilities applies. But WHY would they be disappeared? The only possibility I can think of is to keep Tylee from talking. If she just wanted to get rid of JJ she could have given him to the grandparents. Tylee is so close to 18, why not just let her hang out for another year? Why kill her? It just seems like such a drastic action to take to be with your new stud. Even if she were that cold, any rational person would know that the route she has taken would put her under a microscope. And she must be fairly rational to have pulled all this off.

 

[fred&edna]

He may have been able to restore his rights in TX but that would have no bearing on AZ laws. AZ would have had to restore his right to own a gun because that is where he lived, and that is where he would presumably want the right to own a gun.

Gotcha! I just assumed he would HAVE TO obtain his civil rights back in Texas to even begin to legally own a gun elsewhere in the US.

 

[ReadyorNot]

Gotcha! I just assumed he would HAVE TO obtain his civil rights back in Texas to even begin to legally own a gun elsewhere in the US.

That is possible I guess but that would not automatically clear him in another State. For example, Illinois has strict gun laws regarding registration and licensing but drive across the border an hour to Wisconsin and you only need a license for a concealed carry. There is not even a waiting period to buy in WI! So if you're from IL caught in WI with a couple of unregistered guns no big deal, but drive into IL with that and you're in BIG trouble!