Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #11

[fred&edna]

That is possible I guess but that would not automatically clear him in another State. For example, Illinois has strict gun laws and licensing but drive across the border an hour to Wisconsin and you only need a license for a concealed carry. So if you're from IL caught in WI with a couple of unregistered guns no big deal, but drive into IL with that and you're in BIG trouble!

Right. I know it's dependent upon states laws (which vary) once certain criteria is met. We're still on the same page, I think.

 

[dkryder]

Alex told cop he had concealed carry permit. Didn't mention the issue state. Pretty sure tx permit valid in AZ.

 

[KonaHonu]

Alex told cop he had concealed carry permit. Didn't mention the issue state. Pretty sure tx permit valid in AZ.

You don't even need a permit to carry a concealed weapon in AZ

 

[squareandrabbet]

Benefits Planner: Survivors | If You Are The Survivor | Social Security Administration

It’s 60 for death benefits, older for regular.

IIRC, you get survivor benefits from the SSA if you've been married to the decedent for 10 years minimum; even if the marriage took place in the past/was since dissolved. (Source: A family member is dragging their feet about turning a separation agreement into a divorce agreement, and their financial advisor said "if you don't get rid of the worthless git before your 10-year anniversary, he'll have claims on your Social Security".)

 

[Avocado49]

The death certificate would be issued in Idaho so he would have needed to bring that with him ... if they even bothered to check. I'm really hoping a Google search for "documents required for marriage license in Hawaii" predating Tammy's death shows up on that home computer they hauled away in Rexburg.

when my dad died, I got a copy of his DC when I picked up the ashes, and I did bring copies of his death certificate around with me for a month or two while working out his accounts, selling his house, etc.
I imagine these days one could send it electronically to a life insurance company etc. (along with the “natural causes” determination, maybe they’d pay out pretty quickly) or maybe just bring it up on his device for the marriage license.

like with the IDs and such, I don’t think Chad and Lori followed the rules/law. They seem to think they are above/beyond the law, and Lori has a lot of practice conniving this kind of stuff - I’m sure she taught Chad her ways (all while claiming they were messages from God) and probably they figure they didn’t actually need to be married legally in the eyes of the government, but just spiritually. If she “goes by” Lori Daybell now it doesn’t mean she changed her name legally or they even got married.

 

[kye0001]

Getting back to the kids...

There are really only 2 possibilities.

1. They are safely stashed away with someone
2. They are dead

I suppose they could be unsafely stashed away as well.

We all have our own idea which of the possibilities applies. But WHY would they be disappeared? The only possibility I can think of is to keep Tylee from talking. If she just wanted to get rid of JJ she could have given him to the grandparents. Tylee is so close to 18, why not just let her hang out for another year? Why kill her? It just seems like such a drastic action to take to be with your new stud. Even if she were that cold, any rational person would know that the route she has taken would put her under a microscope. And she must be fairly rational to have pulled all this off.

1.They could have access to a off grid shelter or hunting cabin but surely family would have mentioned that (and if they haven’t then shame on them).
2. Could be with friends or family who are in the groups who cannot be named
3. Could be with anti govt family
4.Could be in a compound waiting for the end of the world
5.Could be in Hawaii in a separate property with old friends...but I doubt this one as LV used her original drivers license and I don’t think she’s in the know enough to get a untracked plane/boat ride.
6. Could have sent them to some kind of super religious boarding school or mental home under false documentation
7. I don’t want to think about that one...

Can you tell I’ve been looking into this a bit too much? They’re what I have got so far... 5 and 6 seem less likely though. But I can’t digure out how you would keep a 17 year old off a phone. Even if she believed everything her mum said, even if her mum had told her the police were coming to take her to jail, even if her mum had said phones are the devil...I’m sure she would still google all of this if she could. She would know her brother has YouTube and I’m sure his video would have been triggers to reaching out to him at least. All moo

 

[KonaHonu]

when my dad died, I got a copy of his DC when I picked up the ashes, and I did bring copies of his death certificate around with me for a month or two while working out his accounts, selling his house, etc.
I imagine these days one could send it electronically to a life insurance company etc. (along with the “natural causes” determination, maybe they’d pay out pretty quickly) or maybe just bring it up on his device for the marriage license.

like with the IDs and such, I don’t think Chad and Lori followed the rules/law. They seem to think they are above/beyond the law, and Lori has a lot of practice conniving this kind of stuff - I’m sure she taught Chad her ways (all while claiming they were messages from God) and probably they figure they didn’t actually need to be married legally in the eyes of the government, but just spiritually. If she “goes by” Lori Daybell now it doesn’t mean she changed her name legally or they even got married.

So another thing about Hawaii, especially the neighbor islands - the rules are often "bent." You don't get your marriage license from a government official. You dont go to City Hall. You go to someone's house who is licensed by the State to be a marriage license agent. There are only 5 people on Kauai who are licensed to do this. Two of them are most likely to be the one they used based on location. The application is online then you just show the required documents to the agent. I seriously doubt if the agent looks too closely. It would be consistent with how things normally work here.

 

[divineappt]

That is possible I guess but that would not automatically clear him in another State. For example, Illinois has strict gun laws regarding registration and licensing but drive across the border an hour to Wisconsin and you only need a license for a concealed carry. There is not even a waiting period to buy in WI! So if you're from IL caught in WI with a couple of unregistered guns no big deal, but drive into IL with that and you're in BIG trouble!

Convicted Felons Possessing Firearms in Texas

”After Five Years in Residence ONLY

Under Texas state law a convicted felon may possess a firearm in the residence, in which he lives, once five years have elapsed from the date his sentence was discharged. This means the later of release from prison or parole. This is not true under federal law. So, while a convicted felony could lawfully possess a firearm in these very limited circumstance under state law, he could possibly be charged and convicted under federal law, even though current federal policy is to defer to state law on this issue.

Restoration of Rights

Currently there only way for a felony to regain his rights to possess a firearm in Texas and that is through full pardon. Given the very limited number of pardons issued from the governor’s office, a pardon is extremely unlikely and very expensive. Until Texas state law is changed in regard to “felon in possession,” it is a felony to possess a firearm unless five years have elapsed since a sentence has become complete, and then only in the residence for self protection.“


So he would have had to have the state of Texas restore his rights to bear arms. Which I understand from what I was reading is a pardon from the governor, and very hard and very expensive to get. Then he would have to, as any citizen obey the laws of Arizona in the right to bear arms. IIRC he Specifically told Elispecifically told LE that it was his gun and that it was not his home that it was his gun and that it was not his home.

 

[squareandrabbet]

I keep thinking about ol’ lawyer Sean’s statement:

“Chad Daybell was a loving husband and has the support of his children in this matter. Lori Daybell is a devoted mother and resents assertions to the contrary. We look forward to addressing the allegations once they have moved beyond speculation and rumor.”

WHEN exactly will Sean and his clients be addressing the allegations then? Certainly the court order makes it clear that it’s beyond just gossip and rumors?
I still feel so angry to read that - Lori really thinks she is a devoted mother and actually resents anyone who might assume she’s not??! And this statement was put out before most of the public knew the details - nobody was really even saying they weren’t good spouses/parents at first - I think Chad and Lori protested too much with their lawyer statement and led people down the path of what turned out to be legitimate accusations (not rumors) against them. MOO.

BBM. Translation: "We're not saying anything a minute sooner than we are compelled to."

I looked myself up on my life, the employee and income listed for me are absolutely wrong. It also listed a bunch of people I don't know as my supposed relatives or associates. So I sure wouldn't trust what it says about Chad.

I'm pretty sure in some instances it reams public records for various addresses, etc., and then returns everyone who's ever lived there and paid a bill, etc. So in the case of residences, a lot of the people referenced don't actually "know" each other.

 

[BigAl16]

IIRC, you get survivor benefits from the SSA if you've been married to the decedent for 10 years minimum; even if the marriage took place in the past/was since dissolved. (Source: A family member is dragging their feet about turning a separation agreement into a divorce agreement, and their financial advisor said "if you don't get rid of the worthless git before your 10-year anniversary, he'll have claims on your Social Security".)

But that's ultimately not going to cost the family member anything if it happens or anyone else who might also have a claim on it, right? I get the possible motivation to hurry it up, but not if it results in a worse outcome in the divorce.

 

[tresir2012]

There is the possibility of inheriting assests of some kind or receiving a lump sum from life insurance. That's money to spend, but not income as such. I don't think life insurance is typically paid out as a monthly amount over a long period of time, so calling that income would be questionable.

Income as some kind of government benefit based on having been married to a spouse who died while she was married to them, the answer is no. If the spouse and/or Lori were both older (say 62 or more) then that possibility would exist. As far as that goes, at some age the possibility exists that she might still collect from social security based on a deceased spouses past income. I'm not sure the rules as to what does and doesn't go, but had a girl friend who at some point in her 60s started collecting an amount that was based on a deceased husband's historical income rather than her own. The husband died while she was married to them, she'd been married and then divorced after, but had also had kids (all adult) with the first husband. What was a factor to allow her to collect based on his income, I'm not sure, but know she had to be a certain age first regardless.

When JR died he was 59 and would have contributed to a retirement plan that Lori as ex spouse could be entitled to. The link below discusses the Texas rules covering it. CV was 62 when he died so similar may apply too as he was residing in Texas I believe also. I am no expert but I would imagine their pension plans would be paid to Lori as a surviving spouse and ex spouse. This is just my opinion though as I have no experience of US pension rules only UK rules. My only point is she will have some income sources IMO. If she has now married a 5th time then she is now accruing more benefits IMO.

ETA forgot link

Establishing your rights to retirement accounts during a Texas divorce | Michael B. Suffness, P.C. | Plano, Texas

 

[Dontknow?]

Convicted Felons Possessing Firearms in Texas

”After Five Years in Residence ONLY

Under Texas state law a convicted felon may possess a firearm in the residence, in which he lives, once five years have elapsed from the date his sentence was discharged. This means the later of release from prison or parole. This is not true under federal law. So, while a convicted felony could lawfully possess a firearm in these very limited circumstance under state law, he could possibly be charged and convicted under federal law, even though current federal policy is to defer to state law on this issue.

Restoration of Rights

Currently there only way for a felony to regain his rights to possess a firearm in Texas and that is through full pardon. Given the very limited number of pardons issued from the governor’s office, a pardon is extremely unlikely and very expensive. Until Texas state law is changed in regard to “felon in possession,” it is a felony to possess a firearm unless five years have elapsed since a sentence has become complete, and then only in the residence for self protection.“


So he would have had to have the state of Texas restore his rights to bear arms. Which I understand from what I was reading is a pardon from the governor, and very hard and very expensive to get. Then he would have to, as any citizen obey the laws of Arizona in the right to bear arms. IIRC he Specifically told Elispecifically told LE that it was his gun and that it was not his home that it was his gun and that it was not his home.

In Texas, a person convicted of a felony may not purchase or possess a firearm. Firearm rights are automatically restored 5 years after release from confinement or probation. However, the individual may only possess a firearm on the premises where the individual lives.

restore gun ownership texas - Google Search

No problem owning a gun in AZ after his rights were restored in TX.

 

[tresir2012]

Gotcha! I just assumed he would HAVE TO obtain his civil rights back in Texas to even begin to legally own a gun elsewhere in the US.

I have the idea he plead guilty to the assault as a misdemeanour anyway so did not lose any rights. I am sure Chandler LE would have checked. MOO.

 

[tresir2012]

The few times I got them it was the funeral home, too.

In the UK you just order extra copies as they are needed for the bank, building society, and for any insurances etc.

 

[j55stand]

I have the idea he plead guilty to the assault as a misdemeanour anyway so did not lose any rights. I am sure Chandler LE would have checked. MOO.

AC served 90 days in jail and was on probation for 5 years because he pleaded guilty to Felony Agg. Assault.

 

[Kalamos23]

When JR died he was 59 and would have contributed to a retirement plan that Lori as ex spouse could be entitled to. The link below discusses the Texas rules covering it. CV was 62 when he died so similar may apply too as he was residing in Texas I believe also. I am no expert but I would imagine their pension plans would be paid to Lori as a surviving spouse and ex spouse. This is just my opinion though as I have no experience of US pension rules only UK rules. My only point is she will have some income sources IMO. If she has now married a 5th time then she is now accruing more benefits IMO.

ETA forgot link

Establishing your rights to retirement accounts during a Texas divorce | Michael B. Suffness, P.C. | Plano, Texas

She wouldn’t be able to access that money (if it was in a 401k or other retirement account) without big tax penalties, which she may have been comfortable doing ‍

 

[fred&edna]

AC served 90 days in jail and was on probation for 5 years because he pleaded guilty to Felony Agg. Assault.

Thank you for clarifying it was a felony and not just a misdemeanor.

 

[ReadyorNot]

When JR died he was 59 and would have contributed to a retirement plan that Lori as ex spouse could be entitled to. The link below discusses the Texas rules covering it. CV was 62 when he died so similar may apply too as he was residing in Texas I believe also. I am no expert but I would imagine their pension plans would be paid to Lori as a surviving spouse and ex spouse. This is just my opinion though as I have no experience of US pension rules only UK rules. My only point is she will have some income sources IMO. If she has now married a 5th time then she is now accruing more benefits IMO.

ETA forgot link

Establishing your rights to retirement accounts during a Texas divorce | Michael B. Suffness, P.C. | Plano, Texas

A pension in the US is much different than Social security benefits. As a former spouse, she would not be entitled to pension benefits unless it was awarded in the divorce, and even then it would've been paid to her long before now. She would not be entitled to SS benefits as a former spouse because she was not married to JR for 10 years but she would be entitled to survivor benefits for any of his children but only until they are 18, possibly 19 if still in high school.

Now CV is much different, she is entitled to everything because they were still legally married but who knows how his will read, if it even existed, or if it was contested.

 

[diggndeeperstill]

AC served 90 days in jail and was on probation for 5 years because he pleaded guilty to Felony Agg. Assault.

Do you have handy when probation ended?

 

[renarde]

"I’m really not that creative… My torn veil allows information to be downloaded into my brain from the other side. The scenes I am shown are real events that will happen.”

“That tells us something about his personality,” Bertram said. “He believes what he is hearing gives him direction in his life…"

[...]

"Chad Daybell wrote that he believes their five children will have a role to play in the second-coming of Jesus Christ. Many of the characters in his novels are named after his five biological children."

I wonder if Lori's children will have a role to play as well...

FOX 13 Investigates: Do Chad Daybell’s books leave clues about missing Rexburg children?