Found Deceased ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #12

[fred&edna]

I agree BigAl. I don't think Lori married CD for money (and at the time they were having an affair, I don't think he had that much - look at the Rexburg house..). I think rather it was infatuation with (what Lori bizarrely saw) as power and influence. She clearly fell under a deep spell from his books. She's was marrying the prophet himself.

There's a chance Lori knew that perhaps CD had upped the payout on TD's life insurance, and thought she would benefit in some secondary way (at least until she could off him too..), but there's been little proof of this (or an amount). Plus, Lori may have been thinking she'd just scored on a 2m life insurance payout from CV..

In fact, maybe CD married HER for the money. I've been bashed for saying it before, but I've never bought the mid-life crisis, chasing-a-dancing-blond thing as sufficient motive - or that Lori was all that (she's nearly 50 years old). If CD had money (or was about to have big money from life insurance proceeds) and wanted to change his life and galavant on a beach in HI, why marry at all?

These two planned to be the high priest and priestess, and additional monies were gonna flow and they would receive high accolades from followers. Ego strokes and financial gain... Win win.

 

[Bray2020]

I'm not seeing how $1,000 a month from ebook sales through Amazon shows that I'm "seriously underestimating."

KU reads impact Amazon sales rank. My understanding, possibly incorrect, is that a sales rank of around 100,000 would indicate the equivalent of about 15 units sold per month. If that is a couple more units sold and higher pages read via KU that would actually be reflected in less income, not more.

I think I said that it was possible that he might have had a fairly high income from sales via Deseret Book and Seagull Book in the past since these two small chains are the big names in the world of Mormon literature, but both appear to have dropped Chad's books as well as others he published, so even if sales beyond Amazon were significant in the past (definitely a possiblity) that's no longer the case.

It really doesn't feel like we're that far apart though. I don't remember exactly what I said, but think it was that there was a decent possibilty that he did (or at least had before the two chains dropped him) been making the equivalent of a decent, average or higher than average salary (50K-100K year), but I didn't think there wa any way he made 30K a month (30K a year is another story).

You're right. I can speak from experience that KU impacts your sales rank, but the money you make from page reads is super low. If you're making a lot from page reads, your book is pretty high up in the rankings. You're spot on with your idea that a rank around 100,000 means you're selling about 15 books (or less) a month.

Chad is not making much on Amazon. I have a tool called Publish Rocket that shows an author's monthly average income (it's not perfect, but it's a good estimate), and Chad's best selling book makes about $30 a month. Some books only make a few dollars a month. He probably was making a decent amount on books at Deseret and Seagull before they pulled them, and I'm sure the conferences were places where he was able to sell a fair amount of books. There may have been a time when he made a decent amount of money, but I think the figure he put on the rental app is a huge overstatement.

 

[sunflowerchick]

Based on other things Lori has said, i have thought that she was referring to some sort of Spiritual Death here. It is common in some religious traditions to state that someone has died and been reborn. Galatians 2:20 specifically, "I have been crucified with Christ, and i no longer live, but Christ lives in me." So, its perfectly reasonable to assume she is speaking spirit lingo. Perhaps still as a deflection; nevertheless, it makes the statement less confusing (if that's the case) and less damning. I wonder when her father and Tylee were "saved" or "christened" or whatever (i'm not sure what mormons believe here or, better stated, the AVOWists). If Tylee committed his life to the church a year before her father then that is what she is speaking about imo. moo

For the record, I haven't really known any LDS members to speak this way so I highly doubt that's what she meant.

 

[BreeCherie]

Totally MOO, and not even really an opinion at this point but a musing:
--"They" we're driving the Jeep (per BB)
--He was asked/chose not to disclose who was in the Jeep.

Is it possible Tylee was driving? The police are not naming the suspect because she is a minor? Perhaps the brainwashing runs deep with her--she's had so much upheaval in her life, Lori seems to be the only constant, and would therefore carry that much more influence. it would also give Tylee reason to be (and stay) in hiding.

I also feel like if they were dead you'd junk or burn their stuff (at least most of it), not put it in storage.

JMO

This thought crossed my mind too. Perhaps whoever was in the passenger seat pressured her to drive him there or she didn't even know what they were going for. It seems unlikely to me, but it is a possibility that would make it more understandable why they are keeping so quiet about it.

 

[CSIDreamer]

I set my own work schedule. And I'm dragging my feet visiting some accounts because . . Justin Lum. Agh. I keep flipping between fb and twitter.

 

[BreeCherie]

Missing Idaho Kids
Go down to the part about BB shooting attempt (Oct 2). Is that the CCTV footage of the Jeep? I wonder if that's what JLum is going to talk about tonight.
I've attached a picture showing a Jeep similar (4-doors and style.) to the one I was asked to identify if I had seen involved with the case. Now that MSM is showing it, I'm comfortable confirming.
I don't think the one on the link above is the actual vehicle though. Here's why:
We see Alex at the storage unit on the same day (Oct 2nd) getting the rear seat out of the unit and the tire as well. Why is there a 4door Jeep without a rear tire and rear seat? So someone can lay (ETA: or sit) in the back, open the rear window and stick a gun out to shoot at BB. If the CCTV shows the shooter's Jeep without a rear tire and seat, I'd call this a likely explanation.

ETA: Here's a pic of a similar seat: http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcSIKU4x1nN2CNRobuqPVwve9YkptzEy2sM7fMoueQkPfwyaJDpfaMKY4pARlnght-2w_ibgtuU&usqp=CAc

The jeep has been impounded right? Wouldn't that picture be one they took more recently, now that they've matched the vehicle with the crime? It's a pretty clear picture, but then again BB probably has enough money to have quality cameras.

 

[josephinemarch]

MOO
If these people believe there are 144,000, do they have a list? And whoever isn’t on this list is fair game to make disappear... ?Because I am surmising they read the book of revelations, and they probably believe that those who are on the “wrong side” will have a really rough time come their date in July. So having others murdered or disappear is perhaps seen as merciful.?
Looking at MB , BB, and of course the main story, I’m positive and a bit horrified thinking there are many other people like that out there, turning their backs on their families, perhaps making an exodus to follow this. I think CD has more to him than what appears on the surface. I think he is just as much of a manipulator as LV. Books can be powerful. Moo

 

[Madison418]

Imo these kids are deceased. She is a heartless person, case and point giving the dog back. That is such a cold move, it speaks to who she is. I'm disgusted by all of this. How can all these deaths coincidentally happen and she's not brought in or even suspected?? Just so much of this perplexes me

 

[BigAl16]

You're right. I can speak from experience that KU impacts your sales rank, but the money you make from page reads is super low. If you're making a lot from page reads, your book is pretty high up in the rankings. You're spot on with your idea that a rank around 100,000 means you're selling about 15 books (or less) a month.

Chad is not making much on Amazon. I have a tool called Publish Rocket that shows an author's monthly average income (it's not perfect, but it's a good estimate), and Chad's best selling book makes about $30 a month. Some books only make a few dollars a month. He probably was making a decent amount on books at Deseret and Seagull before they pulled them, and I'm sure the conferences were places where he was able to sell a fair amount of books. There may have been a time when he made a decent amount of money, but I think the figure he put on the rental app is a huge overstatement.

I think we were told that he didn't get paid for conferences (or maybe only enough to cover his expenses), but I think you're right that he could have made a decent amount from selling his books at the conference, plus the general marketing the conferences would provide should have resulted in some future sells via other avenues.

 

[BigAl16]

For the record, I haven't really known any LDS members to speak this way so I highly doubt that's what she meant.

You're right unless it is some AVOW or other splinter group terminology.

 

[utahobserver]

Agreed. I think they are in a longer affair beginning way before January 2019. The date of January 2019 is when CV shows his sister Kay videos that Lori has been sending of herself. Chad has to know about both Tylee and JJ. She has to make arrangements for the kids each day including therapy and appointments for JJ. I would bet Chad was used as a sounding board for Lori as they start with an emotional affair and it moves forward. You dont just move in with this woman a couple days after wife of 30 yrs is buried not knowing about a few key players. I dont see him as a bumbling idiot. I would describe him as a "wanna be". Wanted to be that popular kid and center of attention with the hot blonde chick. Wanted this spotlight as a visionary and now will have dreams and visions to fit this story line.

I dont see him as a bumbling idiot. Me too. Just a standard idiot.

 

[RexburgSleuth]

The jeep has been impounded right? Wouldn't that picture be one they took more recently, now that they've matched the vehicle with the crime? It's a pretty clear picture, but then again BB probably has enough money to have quality cameras.

It was my understanding that it was impounded. I'm forming my own opinion on this:
1. I was shown by LE pictures of a Jeep and asked if I had seen it in person. To which I answered no. The Jeep in the photo I was shown is similar (color, body style, trim) to the one I attached (https://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachments/tylees-jeep-jpg.230038/)
2. I was not told it was impounded, I assumed as much because of the background in the photos provided and prior information I had read (MSM or here, which I can't recall and haven't located since. I hope I'm not perpetuating falsehood about it being impounded). I was also not told which crime it was believed to be involved in. I did answer questions regarding other aspects of this case which I am not at liberty to reveal due to the ongoing investigation.
3. I had seen the list of vehicles here on WS attached to Charles and Lori. The list includes a 2012 Jeep Wrangler Limited 4-door, just like the one I found and attached.
I'm still interested in seeing if the one in the BB shooting is the same, especially if the rear is missing a spare tire.

 

[caseface]

You're right unless it is some AVOW or other splinter group terminology.

I agree that we cannot make this about mormonism because these two are obviously not mainstream LDS. I should have been clearer in my initial statement. Whether we call it AVOW or something else, the bottom line is, they are operating off of some sort of fringe belief they have created. I think they actually believe whatever they are saying and doing is of a spiritual nature. But perhaps Chad is seeing the light of day by now (i don't know- we know so little about him). Perhaps Chad will drop all of this and expose Lori unless he is also implicit which, let's face it, is probably the case at this point. I think they plan to simply wait it out until the last day, July 22, 2020. And when that day comes and there are no earthquakes, they will take themselves out. Unless one of them backs out or the prophecy changes.

 

[arizonamomoffour]

Thanks, ok.. so LE appeared at his house afterwards on Nov 27th, and he then called Lori and had a short call. I was misremembering that LE called him, and he called Lori w/o realizing that LE showed up in person.

Appreciate the clarification.

Amazing that she told her own son, "okay, i'll take care of it", no explanation to CR, and her "taking care of it", was leaving in a hurry (Rexburg). What a Mom! (sarcasm and sadness for her children)

 

[tealrose]

About an hour ago on Justin Lum’s “back in the lab” post, he said:

Justin Lum Fox 10 Phoenix My report airs live during the 5PM hour. Stream us on fox10phoenix.com!

 

[Colorado303]

Gosh. I didnt realize there was even more that are now dead. I was just beginning to grasp what happened to BB and how he is involved in this mess. Here is my deductions about it.

JMO
Im still trying to digest all the parties involved in this madness. I think Im starting to understand most, but BB was the one I had no real idea about till yesterday.

From the timeline on Page 1, we see this about BB....

2008 – Lori’s niece, Melani, daughter of late Stacey Cox Cope, marries BB (Daily Mail).

June 2019 – Lori’s niece, Melani, tells BB, her husband of 11 years, she wants a divorce. BB says he believes it was due to Melani's new religious beliefs after following her aunt and Chad into what he calls a “cult.” (Post Register).

2 Oct 2019 – BB, husband of Lori’s niece Melani, is shot at in the driveway of his Gilbert, AZ home; A bullet narrowly misses him and shatters the driver’s side window of BB’s car. The shooter is driving a vehicle matching the description of Tylee’s Jeep. A police report is filed. The Jeep was caught on CCTV and was later confirmed to be registered to the late Charles Vallow. (Family interview on GH; Fox News & Arizona Republic).

16 Oct 2019 (Approx.) - About 2 Weeks after BB was shot at, Melani texts BB saying that she has decided to move to Boise, ID. (Arizona Republic)

So do I have this right that 3 of the players had their spouses either end up being dead or a murder attempt. 2 out of 3 have dead Ex's now, and the 3rd one almost lost their spouse (BB) to a murder attempt. Its just crazy and from taking a step back to look at it, it sure looks like there was a plan for everyone to get rid of their spouses (and kids too in Lori's case) and join the "doomsday cult".

*Lori's ex-husband is dead and shortly afterwards, she hooks up with Chad and heads to Hawaii.

*Chad's ex-wife is dead and shortly afterwards, he hooks up with Lori and heads to Hawaii

*Melani's ex-husband (BB) had a murder attempt on his life but luckily the shooter missed.

*Lori's kids are missing and she did not produce them when a court ordered them to do so

Wondering if there is other people tied to this "cult" that had their spouse come up missing around the same time. There may be something to the theory that this could be bigger than what we are seeing right now.

Sheer craziness and from looking at it, I think it is pretty obvious what the plan was for these people. I hope LE gets enough evidence to prosecute any of them that were involved in any of the deaths or disappearance of the kids.

Add to the puzzle that in addition to Lori/Chad nuptials, Melani and Alex both married people associated w/AVOW in November 2019. Oh yeah, and Alex is now dead.

 

[Gardener1850]

Bringing these links to the Timeline Update#5 over to this new thread for easy reference:

Part 1: ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #11
Part 2: ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #11
Part 3: ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #11
Part 4: ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #11
Part 5: ID - ID - Joshua Vallow, 7, & Tylee Ryan, 17, Rexburg, Sept 2019 *mom, stepfather found* #11

@KayElJay in case having them over here helps. I see Part 1, Part 2, & Part 3 in this thread still need to be replaced with the new links above. Thanks.

Thanks for the heads up! I’ll try to edit them when I get home tonight and if not tonight, tomorrow morning. My work iPhone isn’t all that easy to moderate from (lol, I choose to blame it on the technology because we know it couldn’t possibly be user incompetence, right?!)

@JerseyGirl or @sillybilly or @v0x maybe one of you can help us fix the timeline at the start of this thread? KayElJay seems to be having technical issues. Sorry to keep alerting on this but the first 3 parts need to be removed and replaced with the Update #5 posts linked above. As they are now makes it look like I left out a bunch of stuff or that the timeline is out of order/messed up. It grew from 3 parts to 5 parts and we have new info in all of the parts. For anyone new to this case, the biggest change is Part 3 above. Part 3, Update 5 is a timeline for ONLY July 11th, the day Charles Vallow was shot. It has details from bodycam video and police interviews from that day.

 

[FindingJoLee]

You're right. I can speak from experience that KU impacts your sales rank, but the money you make from page reads is super low. If you're making a lot from page reads, your book is pretty high up in the rankings. You're spot on with your idea that a rank around 100,000 means you're selling about 15 books (or less) a month.

Chad is not making much on Amazon. I have a tool called Publish Rocket that shows an author's monthly average income (it's not perfect, but it's a good estimate), and Chad's best selling book makes about $30 a month. Some books only make a few dollars a month. He probably was making a decent amount on books at Deseret and Seagull before they pulled them, and I'm sure the conferences were places where he was able to sell a fair amount of books. There may have been a time when he made a decent amount of money, but I think the figure he put on the rental app is a huge overstatement.

What if this case was based on the irony of each of them thinking they were clearing the path toward marrying money...but they're both paupers.

 

[Colorado303]

I don't think we really figured out where Chad and Lori got married?
Regarding Chandler PD, it's like they are playing dumb and dumber, IMO.

BBM

That’s putting it nicely.

jmo

 

[BigAl16]

What if this case was based on the irony of each of them thinking they were clearing the path toward marrying money...but they're both paupers.

That may or may not be part of the basis, but I can sure see both of them thinking that was one of the things they were getting and it turns out they aren't.