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[Holdontoyourhat]

Holdon,

BOESP just explained that "I have never seen anything like this" could very well mean how the case was mishandled or it could mean he has never encountered a kidnapping such as this." It is pretty clear he thinks one of the Ramseys is guilty and the rest are covering for that person.

Doesn't this mean that if the perp's an intruder, then nobody will ever find JBR's killer? Isn't the intruder now home free because nobody suspects IDI? Isn't that putting a lot on the line based only on an opinion that RDI?

RDI is only an opinion. In all this time there has been nothing raised that has definitively linked the parents to the murder.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

But even in his experience, Ressler said he has never seen a murder and sexual assault like that on JonBenet Ramsey. "I don't know of any case like this has ever happened," he said. "It is highly, highly unusual. I mean, the whole thing is totally bizarre. I've never, in my 35-year career, seen anything like this."

Repeating, Resslers remark has nothing to do with case mismanagement. It has to do with 'a murder and sexual assault like that'.

 

[Solace]

Repeating, Resslers remark has nothing to do with case mismanagement. It has to do with 'a murder and sexual assault like that'.

Holdon.

I can assure you that Robert Ressler has seen worse, if there is such a thing as a worse murder. I really think you are taking statements out of context. I would guess that he means he has never seen a child left for dead in the parents house in the basement with apparent staging and a ransom note that is three pages long.

I believe Robert Ressler dealt with John Wayne Gacey. I am almost positive he did. I do not think he is expressing shock at the murder, but shock at everything I mentioned above.

 

[UKGuy]

Repeating, Resslers remark has nothing to do with case mismanagement. It has to do with 'a murder and sexual assault like that'.

Holdontoyourhat,

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[IrishMist]

Doesn't this mean that if the perp's an intruder, then nobody will ever find JBR's killer? Isn't the intruder now home free because nobody suspects IDI? Isn't that putting a lot on the line based only on an opinion that RDI?

RDI is only an opinion. In all this time there has been nothing raised that has definitively linked the parents to the murder.

HOTYH, I try very hard to see your side of things. Mostly because I would love for this to not be RDI. If I read a credible theory on IDI, I could be persuaded. But you can't say nobody suspects an intruder. LE has looked at plenty of others besides the R's.

 

[JMO8778]

Doesn't this mean that if the perp's an intruder, then nobody will ever find JBR's killer? Isn't the intruder now home free because nobody suspects IDI? Isn't that putting a lot on the line based only on an opinion that RDI?

the R's whined that very same thing,b/c they didn't want LE focusing on THEM,so they even threw long time friends under the bus,knowing full well they didn't have anything to do with it.Plenty of others were investigated,despite the R's claims that LE focused 'only on them'.BULL.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Holdon,

BOESP just explained that "I have never seen anything like this" could very well mean how the case was mishandled or it could mean he has never encountered a kidnapping such as this." It is pretty clear he thinks one of the Ramseys is guilty and the rest are covering for that person.

No it isn't pretty clear. This article has Ressler considering many people, from family acquaintances (whoever did it moved around the house with impunity) to neighborhood adolescents (garrote cord device).

 

[Ames]

No it isn't pretty clear. This article has Ressler considering many people, from family acquaintances (whoever did it moved around the house with impunity) to neighborhood adolescents (garrote cord device).

Where does he mention family acquaintances or neighborhood adolescents?



"Ressler [in response to a question]: Yeah, I've been to Boulder on two occasions. I've talked to a number of people in the law enforcement field, the medical field, the prosecutor, one of the prosecutors out there, even some of the domestic help of uh, the Ramseys and uh, some media people as well. I do not-- uh, I've been to the location of the house, I've been around the house, I've looked at the neighborhood and I do not ascribe at all to the concept that a stranger broke into the house and, uh, in an attempt to kidnap or abduct JonBenet, killed her and wrote the note, and then left. I believe it was some sort of an internal--- uh-- situation that occurred that-- uh--I believe the Ramseys-- Mr. and Mrs. Ramsey, possibly their son-- uh-- Burke, have more information available that they could provide police than they've held back-- uh-- in their non-cooperation they've put themselves in a position of being major suspects. It's very likely they're going to be indited in the Grand Jury here in April-- uh-- and whether or not there's enough to prosecute-- uh-- them to the point of conviction remains to be seen. But I think-- uh-- I've always believed that JonBenet was killed as a result of an accident that was being covered up-- I'm not saying whether or not Ramsey's parents or the brother were involved in the actual killing, but I think--as I say--I think that the entire-- uh-- elaborate staging was done to conceal the true facts of what really happened to that child."

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/E...6/ressler.html

So, why in the world would the Rams coverup a crime commited by a family acquaintance or a neighborhood adolescent? The only way they would have covered up a crime, in which their daughter was murdered...is if they had been the ones that did it. They covered it up to save their OWN BUTTS...not the butts of a family acquaintance or a neighborhood adolescent.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

HOTYH, I try very hard to see your side of things. Mostly because I would love for this to not be RDI. If I read a credible theory on IDI, I could be persuaded. But you can't say nobody suspects an intruder. LE has looked at plenty of others besides the R's.

Any credible IDI theory is probably going to start with a better profile of the killer.

With RDI you're stuck with this Jekyl and Hyde thing where one or two otherwise normal people snap, brutally murder a 6 year old girl, and amazingly cover it all up to the satisfaction of FBI and local LE.

IDI allows you to develop a Kaczynski/Manson personality that uses fat cat status and disrespect for the US as an excuse to justify child sexual assault and murder.

 

[sandraladeda]

Any credible IDI theory is probably going to start with a better profile of the killer.

With RDI you're stuck with this Jekyl and Hyde thing where one or two otherwise normal people snap, brutally murder a 6 year old girl, and amazingly cover it all up to the satisfaction of FBI and local LE.

IDI allows you to develop a Kaczynski/Manson personality that uses fat cat status and disrespect for the US as an excuse to justify child sexual assault and murder.

HOTYH, I would love it if you would put together an IDI scenario, or theory, and post it on the Members Theories thread. I know it would be tough for an IDI to do so, given that there is such a strong RDI sentiment here at WS. But I feel like you already stand your ground to the RDIs anyway, with every small thread that addresses one small aspect of the crime. I just am not convinced that a complete and believable (I am not saying proveable, just believable) IDI theory can be made, with what we know, and reflecting your belief in a possible "Kaczynski/Manson" type.

(I recently posted a RDI theory, just as an exercise in thinking it thru, and although it is, I am sure, full of holes, I was glad to get away from the usual "PR did it" theory and consider a "JR did it" theory)

Anyway, just a request, humbly requested by an open-minded RDI.....

 

[BBB167893]

So, uh, what do you think the major event was that caused Ressler to go from 'I've never seen anything like this' to, uh, RDI?

-HOLDON

Who says it was just one thing? I didn't go from IDI to RDI in one big step.

 

[IrishMist]

Any credible IDI theory is probably going to start with a better profile of the killer.

With RDI you're stuck with this Jekyl and Hyde thing where one or two otherwise normal people snap, brutally murder a 6 year old girl, and amazingly cover it all up to the satisfaction of FBI and local LE.

IDI allows you to develop a Kaczynski/Manson personality that uses fat cat status and disrespect for the US as an excuse to justify child sexual assault and murder.

I agree, to a certain extent. I'm still not sure why the R's would be chosen as a stand against fat-cat status or as a symbol of the US. (Or, for that matter, how child sexual assault and murder is related to either.)

But, maybe it made sense to the killer(s). I think my biggest stumbling blocks with IDI is the pineapple and the amount of time spent in the house.

The only credible IDI theory I can begin to imagine would be a young (JAR'S age) friend. Someone known to JB. Someone who knew that sound didn't travel well to the upper levels. Someone she would not be afraid of, and could convince her to go with them. Someone that didn't have a place to take her for the actual assault. (Someone who thought she would fit into the suitcase?)

In that event, the target would be JB herself, not the US or fat-cat status. I don't believe the note is real, that is, I believe it to be staging; an effort by someone to point LE in a different direction.

My problem is that I can't seem to envision a credible walk-through of this crime, be it IDI or RDI. Something that realistically fits all of the evidence.

That's why I said I'd love to see a credible IDI theory. I really would. Honestly? The closest I've seen are the PDI theories.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

I agree, to a certain extent. I'm still not sure why the R's would be chosen as a stand against fat-cat status or as a symbol of the US. (Or, for that matter, how child sexual assault and murder is related to either.)

But, maybe it made sense to the killer(s). I think my biggest stumbling blocks with IDI is the pineapple and the amount of time spent in the house.

The only credible IDI theory I can begin to imagine would be a young (JAR'S age) friend. Someone known to JB. Someone who knew that sound didn't travel well to the upper levels. Someone she would not be afraid of, and could convince her to go with them. Someone that didn't have a place to take her for the actual assault. (Someone who thought she would fit into the suitcase?)

In that event, the target would be JB herself, not the US or fat-cat status. I don't believe the note is real, that is, I believe it to be staging; an effort by someone to point LE in a different direction.

My problem is that I can't seem to envision a credible walk-through of this crime, be it IDI or RDI. Something that realistically fits all of the evidence.

That's why I said I'd love to see a credible IDI theory. I really would. Honestly? The closest I've seen are the PDI theories.

Biggest stumbling blocks are pineapple and time?

The pineapple may have something to do with 'convincing her to go'. The time in the house, IMO, relates to the fact that this perp is not from Boulder (according to the RN). So the perp had nowhere else to be, and did not want to be seen anywhere around there anyway.

Of course JBR was the target, and the perp was excusing his actions based on JR's 'fat cat' status and the 'country his business served.'

 

[Toltec]

Biggest stumbling blocks are pineapple and time?

The pineapple may have something to do with 'convincing her to go'. The time in the house, IMO, relates to the fact that this perp is not from Boulder (according to the RN). So the perp had nowhere else to be, and did not want to be seen anywhere around there anyway.

Of course JBR was the target, and the perp was excusing his actions based on JR's 'fat cat' status and the 'country his business served.'

Who could this person without a home in Boulder be? How close was this intruder from out-of-town to JonBenet? JonBenet made several trips to the Atlanta area and Charlevoix. Do you suppose someone traveled all the way to Boulder to kill her?

I do have an IDI theory and I have one suspect in mind. I cannot name this person but he is a close friend of the Ramseys.

 

[DeeDee249]

Who could this person without a home in Boulder be? How close was this intruder from out-of-town to JonBenet? JonBenet made several trips to the Atlanta area and Charlevoix. Do you suppose someone traveled all the way to Boulder to kill her?

I do have an IDI theory and I have one suspect in mind. I cannot name this person but he is a close friend of the Ramseys.

You're gonna leave us hanging here? Why can't you name him/her? If it is stated as your OPINION you're protected.

 

[IrishMist]

You're gonna leave us hanging here? Why can't you name him/her? If it is stated as your OPINION you're protected.

It depends on who it is. One ex-friend of the Ramsey's is a friend of the owner of this site. She knows he didn't do it, and doesn't want us discussing him as possible perp on her site.

 

[IrishMist]

Biggest stumbling blocks are pineapple and time?

The pineapple may have something to do with 'convincing her to go'. The time in the house, IMO, relates to the fact that this perp is not from Boulder (according to the RN). So the perp had nowhere else to be, and did not want to be seen anywhere around there anyway.

Of course JBR was the target, and the perp was excusing his actions based on JR's 'fat cat' status and the 'country his business served.'

So you believe she wasn't afraid of this person?

 

[JMO8778]

IMO, there weren't many people involved in this case who didn't think the Rs either were the murderers or knew who was. The R lawyers knew it. Hunter knew it, the police knew it, and the R friends & family knew it. Why else would PR's parents stay in Atlanta at a time like that? Maybe the Stines were the last hold-outs. The short list of people who believed the crap the Rs put out is this : Lou Smit. And if he's changed his mind by now, he'd never say it. But as he was involved with the Karr fiasco, I think he's still in the parallel universe where the Rs are innocent. Any one else on this list?

I think Smit deserves to be a King...quick,somebody go get that Burger King crown !!

 

[Albert18]

I wonder if Lou Smit will give a death bed confession?

 

[coloradokares]

I wonder if Lou Smit will give a death bed confession?

Nope is my guess.