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[Ames]

So you're of the thought that PR would have written the note in her normal style if in fact she was the author and not tried to disguise her handwritting and style?

Why do bank robbers wear masks ?

Exactly...and if she was nervous, or writing with her left hand OR BOTH...then of course her handwriting isn't going to look like it normally does.

 

[Ames]

Holdon, A writer trying to fake or disguise penmanship is going to take every opportunity to disguise what they think will hide their style. Finding dissimilarities would be expected.

There are FAR MORE similarities then not.

 

[Ames]

Holdon, unless you've been there, you don't know what you'd do to save your behind. I am ambidextrous and I'm telling you, you can use either hand and they will not necessarily look like the same hand did the writing to the untrained eye. Various lines in the ransom note have different slants and and other elements not consistent with Patsy's exemplars but the overall characteristics are quite similar, in my opinion.

By the way, accidental death is not murder. I don't think it has been proved exactly what happened unless you know something we don't.

Both of my sister's are also ambidextrous....and yes, you are right...it puts a different slant on the handwriting, depending on which hand is used. I totally agree....Patsy's overall characteristics are quite similiar, indeed.

 

[rashomon]

The perp starts the 'f' at the top, stroking down only to the middle, stops, does a zig zag for the horizontal part, and then continues down on the last vertical stroke. That's just bizarre.

Remember that handwriting experts have pointed out that the note indicated deception, i. e. the writer's effort to disguise his/her handwriting. This would explain such 'bizarreness' in certain letters.
But despite the writer's efforts, there remain a lot of striking similarities. Not even the Ramseys' own hired experts could exclude Patsy as the author of the ransom note.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Thanks...maybe I missed it, but I didn't see anywhere that it said that Patsy's f was done differently than the intruders. They looked just the same to me, when compared side by side, and I did not see the zig zag that you referred to in your post. Am I missing something?? Is this based on your own opinion...or is it written somewhere...about the zig-zag...and the authors pen remaining down the entire time??

And I didn't see this part of your post, anywhere on the samples...

"The stroke the RN author used to form the letter f is a stroke where the pen remained down the entire time. The author used a zig-zag in the middle to form the horizontal section. IOW, the vertical is actually two separate strokes, not one continuous stroke as it is in PR's 'f' exemplars"

This is based on my opinion. The 'f' in 'foreign' is a good example. It looks like a smudge at first, but other 'f's appear the same.

 

[Ames]

This is based on my opinion. The 'f' in 'foreign' is a good example. It looks like a smudge at first, but other 'f's appear the same.

Okay...thanks...I will go back and look at that one.

I have went back and found that one..and it looks like a smudge to me. Also, I wonder if Patsy was given the same Sharpie Pen that the intruder used. If the tip of the sharpie was altered in any way....like for example being squashed down...or something...then that would affect Patsy's samples....if she were given a new one to write with. For example...the smudges that you see on the f's...on the acual RN, could have been due to using an old shapie pen...with a nearly flattened tip. Do you know what I am talking about.?..My daughter's magic markers get that way, when she has used them for awhile. If they didn't give Patsy the same pen as the "intruder" used....then that would explain the few dissimilarities between the RN and Patsy's examples.....and it wasn't very smart of them.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

The ransom note itself, the letter 'f' in 'follow our instructions' pg 1 para 1 its easy to see something unusual here. The top vertical segment doesn't line up with the bottom, and the right horizontal segment doesn't line up with the left. This is not the result of one line crossing another. This is more of a scribble. The pen never left the paper on this character, IMO.

Not a smudge.

And another thing: In the comparison, the curves that predominate PR's side is completely absent on the RN author's side. Is the RN author not able to create a curve or what? The "M' that PR wrote is totally different than the "M' written by the RN author.

Lets face it, there are big differences between the two handwriting styles. RDI is using nervousness, opposite handwriting, and disguised handwriting claims to explain these big differences.

 

[Ames]

The ransom note itself, the letter 'f' in 'follow our instructions' pg 1 para 1 its easy to see something unusual here. The top vertical segment doesn't line up with the bottom, and the right horizontal segment doesn't line up with the left. This is not the result of one line crossing another. This is more of a scribble. The pen never left the paper on this character, IMO.

Not a smudge.

And another thing: In the comparison, the curves that predominate PR's side is completely absent on the RN author's side. Is the RN author not able to create a curve or what? The "M' that PR wrote is totally different than the "M' written by the RN author.

Lets face it, there are big differences between the two handwriting styles. RDI is using nervousness, opposite handwriting, and disguised handwriting claims to explain these big differences.

We are also using several expert opinions, the fact that Patsy AND John have said that it looks as if a woman wrote it...and Patsy's own mother saying that it looks like Patsy's handwriting. That's enough evidence for me...

And as I have said before, when a person is nervous or upset....or scared because they think that their butt is going to prison....they write differently...that's just common knowledge. I write faster, and press down harder, when I am upset. And Patsy....imo...had plenty of reasons to be upset. There are way too many similarities to ignore....and that's beside the fact that Patsy lived in the house, and it was written on her pad and using her Sharpie.

 

[DeeDee249]

And that sharpie pen and pad were put back in their proper places. Think and intruder, even IF one wanted to risk taking the time to write that note using the materials at hand, would bother to do that?
No one would think of suggesting that an intruder took the pen and pad from the home, wrote the note, brought them back without the family noticing they were gone?

 

[Ames]

And that sharpie pen and pad were put back in their proper places. Think and intruder, even IF one wanted to risk taking the time to write that note using the materials at hand, would bother to do that?
No one would think of suggesting that an intruder took the pen and pad from the home, wrote the note, brought them back without the family noticing they were gone?

And I believe that Patsy did that out of habit....put those things back in their proper places.

 

[JMO8778]

Even a skeptic can see there are too many unmatched items close to JBR to rule out intruder.

pardon,but I'd have to be a total idiot to believe that someone besides Patsy wrote that stupid,rambling,ridiculous,nonsensical ransom note.

In reality, obviously the amount of forensic evidence potentially left by an intruder is fairly high.

I hope I can say this here...I've a feeling you don't even believe that's true.

 

[JMO8778]

So you're of the thought that PR would have written the note in her normal style if in fact she was the author and not tried to disguise her handwritting and style?

Why do bank robbers wear masks ?

I believe it was thought to be written w her left hand.I got that much out of ST specifically pointing out that Patsy was right handed.

 

[JMO8778]

She was nervous, writing left handed, while disguising her handwriting. I see. OK. Yeah, if I had just murdered my own child, I would cleverly disguise my handwriting, and HANDWRITE a 2 1/2 PAGE NOTE with THREATS against my child. Durrrr.

that's exactly what she and JR did..I think he dicated parts of it to her to point to former AG employees.It's not hard to see the truth here..it really isn't.
and what would you do if you'd done it? you'd have to have a way to point to someone(s) outside the home,if you wanted to get away with it.it was a feeble attempt at that,but it was all they had.

 

[JMO8778]

And that sharpie pen and pad were put back in their proper places. Think and intruder, even IF one wanted to risk taking the time to write that note using the materials at hand, would bother to do that?
No one would think of suggesting that an intruder took the pen and pad from the home, wrote the note, brought them back without the family noticing they were gone?

an intruder would have brought the note with him...how could he be sure he'd even have the time to write one bf the R's returned? If indeed it was a true KN, leaving the note so he could get the money,along with making sure JB was out of the house.. would be first and foremost in the perp's mind...not stopping to molest her.

 

[JMO8778]

Hmmmmm. Sorry but I wont speculate on what I would do. Lets just say writing the longest RN in history, when you live in the same house as the victim, doesn't seem very self-preserving. Identification of the crime as a kidnapping is an automatic invite to the FBI. Thats not self preserving.

Disguised or not, 2 1/2 pages seems beyond reason. You should probably think of the RN more as a sociopaths 'manifesto' than an RN

you're kidding,right? In psychological terms,the long note was overcompensating..it overtalked in a desperate need to explain and point away from members in the house...exactly something a guilty person would do.

 

[JMO8778]

Holdon,

It is either 48 Hours or Court TV. Either way you are posting links re the Ramsey case that are obviously biased and also they have misinformation. That is patently clear. I would love to hear one believer of the intruder theory give me some tangible evidence beyond 48 Hours and that idiot Erin Moriarity and M. Tracy and Court TVs crimelibrary. It is a joke. And this crimelibary link of yours, it is so unbelievably biased - are they tellilng about a crime or are they telling you how the Ramseys were treated?

I keep expecting him to say she clawed at her neck and the dna under her nails matched that in her underwear.

 

[JMO8778]

2 TOM HANEY: Okay. How about, do you recall
3 of using that during say a power outage or to
4 check on the kids at night, anything along those
5 lines?
6 PATSY RAMSEY: No, I don't remember that.


Apparently Patsy never even TOUCHED that flashlight, and she says herself that she doesn't remember ever using it to check on the kids at night...(UNLESS...she is lying, of course).

I think she is lying,if that statement was put under statement analysis,"I don't remember that" sounds like patent denial."That" being something she recalled doing (but is now denying).

 

[JMO8778]

Anyone who studies the small case 'f' in the RN will notice right away that the author goes back and forth on the horizontal stroke, possibly never raising the pen from the paper while forming the 'f'. PR doesn't do this in any of her exemplars for the letter 'f'. For PR, it is one line crossing another, very neat and clean. For the RN author the horizontal stroke is a big thick mess.

Different strokes means different technique, and different techniques means different writers.

Holdon,look at what was said.I don't see how anyone outside the family could explain the contents of that ridiculous note(use that good southern common sense of yours???)...and the ppl JR kept trying to point to (Jeff Merrick and friends)...the very ones he tried to frame in the note..were ruled out.So then he tried to throw anyone and everyone under the bus,even his dear good friends.
And that one stupid line (of course they're all stupid, but..) 'the two gentlemen watching over your daughter do not particularly like you so I advise you not to provoke them'...uh huhhhhhh....JR threw that in there so it would appear he 'knew' who the 2 gentlemen were,and could later point to them.Which is exactly what he tried to dnly it didn't work.
God save the Queen.

 

[JMO8778]

Thank you...I am glad that I could help!!!! :dance:

ITA AMES...you are a true hero for the board here !!

 

[JMO8778]

In the face of another suspect who matched the DNA that they found mixed with JBR's blood, who was also a known killer, would you still believe PR wrote the note?

I would,and I believe JR helped her.