What a group! Boy, do you need me!
I suppose thats why they tested JK? Because they think its background DNA?
I'm legitimately glad you asked that, Holdon. Because, in the same press conference, Mrs. Lacy said that the tested him because his story had made it so it would HAVE to be his. IOWs, he set himself up to be tested, good DNA or bad DNA.
I'm sorry but going by your link, PR's handwriting is much neater, spaced differently, and has way more differing shapes than similar shapes.
Are you serious? Probably. I guess it wouldn't help if I told you that she was the only person who showed changes in her writing between before and after the killing?
What handwriting experts are endorsing this comparison? 1, 2, 3 or 0?
Glad you asked. It's actually 10.
Is there any proof Patsy was ambidextrous?
Your wish is my command!
Patsy Ambidextrous. Mike Walker, Senior Editor of the National Enquirer, has stated: "We talked to people from her school days, teachers, etc, and we found a witness, a high school teacher who taught Patsy in the 1970's, who said very simply and matter-of-factly she is ambidextrous. She was as a child. She is now. We went to Linda Hoffmann-Pugh, the housekeeper, and when we asked her this she said, oh yeah, she said, Patsy told me she was ambidextrous. I've seen her brush her hair with her left hand. I've seen her paint with her left hand. I once saw her work on a science project with Burke, JonBenet's brother, where she wrote numbers and letters with her left hand. She is absolutely ambidextrous."
If I were sitting on a jury and that exhibit was presented, bells and whistles would go off for me.
As I've always said.
Yeah well where is the forensic document examiner signing on to this comparison??
His name is Thomas Miller.
Would you make that decision if the DNA matched a known child killer, and the known child killer had fewer similarities?
Since that hasn't happened, I will consign this to the hypothetical category. But I wouldn't mind that happening. It would open up a whole host of other questions, though!
After reading this link, I'll be needing more proof. Sorry.
Holdon, your wish is my command!
"Many forensic document examiners have given their opinions as to who wrote the note. But the only one to testify before a grand jury in the case was Chet Ubowski, forensic document examiner for the Colorado Bureau of Investigation. Out of 100 people he analyzed for the Boulder Police Department, he found ONLY ONE person whom he thought may have authored the document, Patsy Ramsey. Investigative sources tell Fox News that the disguised letters and bleeding ink from the felt tipped pen used to write the note kept him from 100 percent ID of Mrs. Ramsey."
That came from FOXNEWS on Dec. 26 2002. The Ramseys sued the company over that and lost, if that tells you anything.
Schiller further notes: "experts from the CBI presented their evaluations into evidence, including Chet Ubowski. He also told Pete Mang, his boss at the CBI, that his gut told him it was her handwriting" (Schiller 1999a:740)
On Larry King Live (4/14/2000), Steve Thomas asserted: "And when we finished an investigation after 18 months and presented our case to the district attorney's office, presumably for them to move it forward, one statistic that was cited in that presentation was that out of 73 people whose handwriting was examined in this case, there was only one whose handwriting showed evidence to suggest authorship, who was in the home that night, who couldn't be eliminated as the author, and that was Patsy Ramsey."
"JonBenet's mom fits the profile of the person who wrote the phony ransom note found in the Ramsey home, reveals former FBI expert. Robert K. Ressler, who helped establish criminal profiling for the feds, says that the style and language and information contained in the note point to an approximately 40-year-old white woman from the South as the author
Note Fake. Ressler also was reported to state: 'It's absolutely phony. Usually a ransom note just gives the basics. This one was full of colorful language and mixed messages. Then there's the matter of why any kidnapper would demand money when the victim's body was left behind. It didn't make sense'
Language Feminine. "Ressler points out that the language is feminine. 'There's almost a maternal quality to comments like, I advise you to be rested. A hardened criminal would never use those terms.'
1960's-Era Terms. "60's-era expressions like 'fat cat,' French-influenced vocabulary such as 'attache' and the demand for $118,000 might also point to someone like Patsy, who grew up in the 60's, studied French and was familiar with her husband's finances. Someone else with that knowledge probably would have demanded more."
Glad I could help.
BTW, aren't they using this DNA to rule out people, like JK?
No, actually. It's a complicated story. He was not cleared because it didn't match, nor was anyone else. (you can read that in ST's depo)
They were cleared because there was no evidence that they did it. See, that's what the Ramseys want people to believe: that the DNA was good enough to eliminate everyone BUT them. That wasn't the case, and still isn't. I've never made any secret of my belief that the DNA is worthless, and I stood on that as firmly when Karr was cleared as I have on the Ramsey aspect of it. Bottom line!
I do believe that is an incorrect statement. Did they not test Karr and make the statement that his DNA was not a match?
See above.
I think old and degraded are RDI characterizations.
It's actually from Melissa Weber at Cellmark Labs.
From the article I read, the DNA found in a blood stain met the threshold for a 'genetic fingerprint' to be added to the national DNA database.
I'm familiar with that article, and from it, one can see that it wasn't really added so much as the DA's office FORCED it in there.
Shoeprint found only in basement not matched to anyone.
In 2002, CNN reported that the print belonged to Burke Ramsey.
Pubic hair found only on blanket covering JBR, not matched to anyone. Palm print found only in basement, not matched to anyone.
Same report matched the hair to Patsy Ramsey through mitochondrial DNA testing.
First, a pubic hair that made it into Lou Smits intruder theory, and to a federal courtroom, when all along it simply belonged to PR? U gotta b kiddn me!
I kid you not, sir. But I understand your confusion. Allow me: that knowledge was not released until very late in the investigation, in fact, AFTER the discovery process in the federal court case was over. It's simple, really.
And last, Melinda's palm print has not been identified as the one on the basement door, by any expert. Name one.
Well, I don't know about an expert, but when that report came out, I was watching Catherine Crier, and she announced that the lawyer for the Ramseys did not dispute it.
There's an odd pattern in the handwriting. Shapes that are normally curved, as taught in English elementary schools, have peculiar squared off corners.
It's called block writing, sir.
Why would a professional handwriting expert show letters side by side where each writer was using different strokes to create the letter? Who did this comparison?
His name is Thomas Miller.
Nedra claiming it looked like Patseys writing
Yes, she did.
She was nervous, writing left handed, while disguising her handwriting. I see. OK. Yeah, if I had just murdered my own child, I would cleverly disguise my handwriting, and HANDWRITE a 2 1/2 PAGE NOTE with THREATS against my child. Durrrr.
As I explained to UKGuy, there's a difference between knowledge and wisdom.
We are also using several expert opinions, the fact that Patsy AND John have said that it looks as if a woman wrote it...and Patsy's own mother saying that it looks like Patsy's handwriting. That's enough evidence for me...
You tell him!
You've shown me yours, Holdon. Perhaps I will show you mine?
nly it didn't work.
