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[Ames]

"In the end, they had no choice but to call LE..." makes sense if they called later in the afternoon. 6 o'clock in the morning isn't 'in the end'. Its more like "in the beginning they had no choice but to call LE," consistent with what distraught parents would do.

The statement "PR wrote the note" isn't based on a consensus of expert opinion. Its opinion stated as if it were an established fact. Likewise stated as if it were fact: chronic abuse, screaming='some form of abuse', staging within staging, etc. etc.

Why would they have waited to call? They had a trip to make that day...if they had of waited until the afternoon....to make the call....wouldn't that look just a tad bit suspicious, considering they were leaving early on a trip that MORNING? The first question that the police would ask..when they found out about the trip...is..."Why the heck did you wait so long to call 911, if you found her missing in the morning, when you got up to get ready for your trip?"

 

[Ames]

Well, my God, if you listen to Patsy, nothing belonged to the house.

"How did that bear get there? That bear doesn't belong there! How did that pineapple get there? That pineapple doesn't belong there! How did that flashlight get there?" And on and on, ad nauseum.

In all my born days, I never saw such a non-pineapple-eating, non-tea-drinking, non-flashlight-having, non-child-murdering pair as John and Patsy Ramsey. I do declare! Fetch me my fainting couch.

HAHAHA....lol..you are so funny!!! I will fetch you your hand held southern belle fan, while I am at it.

You are SO right....according to Patsy...NOTHING belongs in that house, even the kleenex box was out of place...and according to John, his CIGAR box, in the basement....the list goes on and on. It is totally ridiculous!!!

 

[Ames]

Really? Do you mean the intruder brought the flashlight, pineapple, and bear with him, according to PR?

Well, she DID claim to not know where they all came from. What ELSE could she be implying?

 

[Ames]

As far as I recall, and this is all from memory rather than going and fetching the books, the bear is a complete unknown to Patsy (except that it later turned out it was from a pageant? or was that another bear?), the flashlight looks just like one of theirs but isn't theirs even though the one that is theirs has never been seen since, and the pineapple was local to the house but an intruder must have served it to JB because she (Patsy) sure didn't. There was also some statement about the bowl and/or spoon not being theirs, or not being "how [Patsy] would have done it," i.e., wrong spoon for the bowl or they didn't use a spoon for that or some such.

There's also some kind of bull about the tea bag too. I'm telling you, read the transcripts -- there's less in that house that Patsy didn't feel was out of place than there is stuff that she did feel was out of place. Every other sentence is "Why is that there? I would never put that there. That's not ours. I've never seen that. What is that? I didn't put that there. That's not how we do it."

It's completely bizarre.

Yes, the bear was later found to be the Pageant Bear. She was denying every conceivable thing, to point to an intruder. What you usually will find, with most IDI's...is that they have never even read the transcripts.

 

[Ames]

When one is doing handwriting analysis, differences, actually, matter very little, because they can always be intentionally introduced by someone trying to disguise their handwriting. It's the similarities that you base your judgment on -- once the writing gets into full swing and you see Patsy's writing tics seep in that you have to be blind or intentionally obtuse to refuse to see how virtually impossible it is that anyone else could display so many of Patsy's writing characteristics.

The fact of the practice note is pretty damning as well, Patsy admitted she wrote that.

Oh yes...and isn't it just a total "coincidence" that the practice note started out the same way as the RN...."MR. RAMSEY...". Patsy said that it was the start of an invitation of some sort..."Mr. Ramsey and I wish to invite you...." YEAH RIGHT! And if anyone believes that one....I have some swamp land in California that I would like to sell them.

 

[Ames]

PR admitted she wrote a note that was a practice note to the RN? I don't believe that. Do you have a source?

Well, your ideas are over-the-edge RDI, no doubt about that. But isn't 'someone trying to disguise their handwriting' sortof a catchall phrase? IOW something that could be applied to any suspect whose handwriting didnt exactly match?

Let me get this straight: Dissimilarities are given a pass, in handwriting analysis. Really?

The funny part of the handwriting analysis was where the analyst notes the rise in the pen stroke to the top of the letter ''t' from the previous letter, is the same on both PR and the RN author, as if its significant.

Everybody does that.

IMO the actual perps handwriting is going to be a dead ringer, because in the last section of the RN, the handwriting is smooth and more relaxed. It isn't disguised at all.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JonBenét_Ramsey

This link mentions the practice note that was found in the same pad that the RN was written on. I will see if I can find the source... Patsy admitted to writing it...but, that it was the start of an invitation...."Mr. Ramsey and I would like to invite you....".

 

[sister]

PR admitted she wrote a note that was a practice note to the RN? I don't believe that. Do you have a source?

Well, your ideas are over-the-edge RDI, no doubt about that. But isn't 'someone trying to disguise their handwriting' sortof a catchall phrase? IOW something that could be applied to any suspect whose handwriting didnt exactly match?

Let me get this straight: Dissimilarities are given a pass, in handwriting analysis. Really?

The funny part of the handwriting analysis was where the analyst notes the rise in the pen stroke to the top of the letter ''t' from the previous letter, is the same on both PR and the RN author, as if its significant.

Everybody does that.

IMO the actual perps handwriting is going to be a dead ringer, because in the last section of the RN, the handwriting is smooth and more relaxed. It isn't disguised at all.

Holdon,
I really do enjoy your posts. Without them this would simply be a Ramsey-bashing forum. I think there are more IDI's out there in the "real world" than this forum would lead you to believe.........

 

[lilywhite]

HAHAHA....lol..you are so funny!!!

Thanks! I think you're pretty funny too!

I hope you won't mind if I take a moment out of our mutual admiration society and ask you to source the thing about the practice note for me? I bought a new computer about 6 weeks ago and like a jackass I forgot to copy over bookmarks.

 

[JMO8778]

IMO the actual perps handwriting is going to be a dead ringer, because in the last section of the RN, the handwriting is smooth and more relaxed. It isn't disguised at all.

you mean the last part where Patsy switches to JR's first name(at JR's prompting) just to appear to know him on a more personal (first name) basis,so that along with the weird $118,000 ransom demand (his bonus),the 'small foreign faction', and the 2 gentlemen who don't particularly like him (all meant to point to former employees Jeff Merrick and friends),who will behead JB if they so much as talk to a stray dog yet they call over a phone book of ppl anyway?Is that the part you mean?

 

[Ames]

Thanks! I think you're pretty funny too!

I hope you won't mind if I take a moment out of our mutual admiration society and ask you to source the thing about the practice note for me? I bought a new computer about 6 weeks ago and like a jackass I forgot to copy over bookmarks.

LOL...I cannot remember where I read it, but I am still searching, though.

 

[JMO8778]

Well, my God, if you listen to Patsy, nothing belonged to the house.

"How did that bear get there? That bear doesn't belong there! How did that pineapple get there? That pineapple doesn't belong there! How did that flashlight get there?" And on and on, ad nauseum.

In all my born days, I never saw such a non-pineapple-eating, non-tea-drinking, non-flashlight-having, non-child-murdering pair as John and Patsy Ramsey. I do declare! Fetch me my fainting couch.

LOL I bet those weren't the right toilets or wallpaper,carpets or rugs,either.

 

[Ames]

http://www.forstevethomas.com/civilsuitpt3.htm

I am still searching...but, it says here that the practice note began with "Mr. and Mrs. Ramsey".....NOT "MR. Ramsey"....

But, like I have said before, and I am still searching for the source...Patsy admitted writing that...but that it was an invitation..."Mr. and Mrs. Ramsey invite you...."

 

[JMO8778]

"In the end, they had no choice but to call LE..." makes sense if they called later in the afternoon. 6 o'clock in the morning isn't 'in the end'. Its more like "in the beginning they had no choice but to call LE," consistent with what distraught parents would do.

In the end IS 6AM.I believe they had a previous panicked ill-thought plan to get her out of the house,but in the end realized it wasn't feasible and so they had no choice but to call when they did.That plane was going to be ready for takeoff soon,that flight plan was filed,and that pilot was going to be waiting if they didn't show up.As well as JR's older kids.They couldn't just leave them waiting.Something had to give.

The statement "PR wrote the note" isn't based on a consensus of expert opinion. Its opinion stated as if it were an established fact. Likewise stated as if it were fact: chronic abuse, screaming='some form of abuse', staging within staging, etc. etc.

I'll let the others kick in w/ some proof for you,the final consensus is there WAS chronic abuse(I know UK has that info),and LHP had no reason to lie about the screaming matches bet. JB and her mother.And you mean the FBI is wrong when they know staging within staging when they see it? As I do recall,one of them said "you're going to be finding her body" upon reading that ridiculous so-called RN,as well as "look at the parents".And he was right on the money.

 

[BOESP]

... So the more standard A is your cursive one and the typeset A is your printing, is that how it goes?

Yes, pretty much, I do that with the lower-case "a." When I print I do the typeset style "r" also versus the cursive r. Unless I'm really trying to be neat, I combine both cursive and printing as you stated. I don't give it a second thought, and I doubt that the writer of the ransom note did either.

 

[lilywhite]

In the end IS 6AM.I believe they had a previous panicked ill-thought plan to get her out of the house,but in the end realized it wasn't feasible and so they had no choice but to call when they did.

I've always believed that when it came right down to it, they couldn't just take her somewhere and discard her like trash.

 

[lilywhite]

Yes, pretty much, I do that with the lower-case "a." When I print I do the typeset style "r" also versus the cursive r. Unless I'm really trying to be neat, I combine both cursive and printing as you stated. I don't give it a second thought, and I doubt that the writer of the ransom note did either.

Then I stand corrected; it's clearly not as uncommon as I thought.

I'll still stick by my guns that there were few people in Boulder that night who write that way, and even fewer whose children were murdered; how's that?

Unless ... where were you on the night in question?

*develops a BDI theory*

 

[JMO8778]

I've always believed that when it came right down to it, they couldn't just take her somewhere and discard her like trash.

probably that too.remember Patsy's 'she looks perfect,doesn't she?' comment...I think she was in denial about killing her.

 

[DeeDee249]

Right- she looks "perfect" compared to the poor battered, strangled corpse, stiff with rigor mortis, discolored with the awful purple-red "blush" of livor mortis, urine-stained, matted hair, blue lips...in other words, compared to the way they left her all alone in the house that night.
Those "perfect" looks were all-important to PR. So once she had that "perfect" JBR again- right down to the frilly pink pageant dress and tiara (her eternal beauty queen) - it was okey-dokey. As BR put it (just DAYS after the death of his sister) "just trying to get on with my life".

 

[Ames]

Then I stand corrected; it's clearly not as uncommon as I thought.

I'll still stick by my guns that there were few people in Boulder that night who write that way, and even fewer whose children were murdered; how's that?

Unless ... where were you on the night in question?

*develops a BDI theory*

And even FEWER that lived in the Ramsey household....that just about narrows it down for me.....how 'bout you?

 

[Ames]

probably that too.remember Patsy's 'she looks perfect,doesn't she?' comment...I think she was in denial about killing her.

Yep, I think so too...and IF they had of dicarded her outside like trash..(which I believe was PLAN A..and then they reconsidered).....and IF it had of taken awhile to find her....then Patsy most definately would NOT have been able to say...."she looks perfect, doesn't she?" It most likely would have been a closed casket....because the elements...and no telling what else...would have gotten to the body.