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[UKGuy]

Uniquely foreign is the unmatched handwriting, unsourced cord and black tape, unidentified dark fibers, and unsourced male DNA mixed with JBR"s blood. This is a substantial amount of forensic evidence of an intruder.

Holdontoyourhat,

If the forensic evidence is unsourced, unidentified, and unmatched then it is not unique is it, there is still the very very high probability that they all originated from within the Ramsey household.

Again I repeat there is absolutely zero forensic evidence linking any intruder to the death of JonBenet.

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[JMO8778]

I find it strange the DA even bothered to use information gathered by Michael Tracey, a known Ramsey supporter. It is also odd Tracey took four years (if I remember correctly) to gather evidence against Karr. A true police investigation would have had detectives in on the investigation, not some journalism professor out to make a name as an author or movie producer.

right on !

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Holdontoyourhat,

If the forensic evidence is unsourced, unidentified, and unmatched then it is not unique is it, there is still the very very high probability that they all originated from within the Ramsey household.

Again I repeat there is absolutely zero forensic evidence linking any intruder to the death of JonBenet.

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The handwriting, DNA, fibers, cord, tape, and more could one day be tied to an intruder. If what you say is true, then why bother looking for one?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Sure, the list of international incidents is long, but why would the Ramsey's be a target? All they really were were big fish in a small pond... nothing more than a blip on the international screen. What is your theory about why they were chosen?

I don't know enough about the R's and their dealings to have a theory.

IMO its JBR who was the target, not the R's. This is usually the case with these types of crimes.

 

[JMO8778]

The list of international incidents motivated by disrepect for our country is long and dramatic, don't you think?

..but JB's murder isn't one of them,comon' now,that is completely laughable.

The idea that JR was setting people up and co-authored the note is your opinion. And it differs from the ransom note. My opinon is that the 2 gentlemen were henchmen, and their leader wrote the note. Just like the note says. So my opinion is more consistent with the primary evidence left at the crime scene.

what would be a SFF's point in abducting (or attempting to) and killing JB? exactly what did it accomplish?(why would they even refer to themselves as a SFF to begin with?) and last but not least...why would they settle for a lousy $118,000? that's not even worth the risk of KN her,much less killing her.

henchmen? hardly.and where does the child sexual predator part come into play? so we are supposed to believe that a henchman leader of 2 other henchmen takes JB from her bedroom,and then,instead of walking out the door there at the bottom of the stairs with her....he turns and goes to the basement...b/c he's a kidnapping pedo henchman who can't wait??!!
If he were a true KN,and even if he were a true pedo,he'd have been straight out that door with JB ASAP,so as to ensure his plans for her didn't get interrupted by occupants of the house.

that is just too much to swallow,Holdon.

 

[JMO8778]

I don't know enough about the R's and their dealings to have a theory.

IMO its JBR who was the target, not the R's. This is usually the case with these types of crimes.

..you just said it was motivated by disrespect for our country...which is it? and why would JB,a defenseless child, be the target,instead of JR?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

..but JB's murder isn't one of them,comon' now,that is completely laughable.


what would be a SFF's point in abducting (or attempting to) and killing JB? exactly what did it accomplish?(why would they even refer to themselves as a SFF to begin with?) and last but not least...why would they settle for a lousy $118,000? that's not even worth the risk of KN her,much less killing her.

henchmen? hardly.and where does the child sexual predator part come into play? so we are supposed to believe that a henchman leader of 2 other henchmen takes JB from her bedroom,and then,instead of walking out the door there at the bottom of the stairs with her....he turns and goes to the basement...b/c he's a kidnapping pedo henchman who can't wait??!!
If he were a true KN,and even if he were a true pedo,he'd have been straight out that door with JB ASAP,so as to insure his plans for her didn't get interrupted by occupants of the house.

that is just too much to swallow,Holdon.

Please tell me you're not looking for logic and reason in one of the most bizarre child murders in history. There's usually not a lot of logic or reason in these types of crimes, except in the mind of the perp.

 

[BOESP]

Please tell me you're not looking for logic and reason in one of the most bizarre child murders in history. There's usually not a lot of logic or reason in these types of crimes, except in the mind of the perp.

The only thing I see as bizarre is the behavior of John and Patsy Ramsey. They didn't act like innocent parents trying to find a "perp." They acted likely parents trying to hide something.

 

[JMO8778]

Please tell me you're not looking for logic and reason in one of the most bizarre child murders in history. There's usually not a lot of logic or reason in these types of crimes, except in the mind of the perp.

you just said there was..that disrespect for the USA was the motive,and that JB was the target..
why bother with that long RN if it was an intruder? there would have to be a point...and there isn't one.

 

[BBB167893]

Forensics haven't linked PR to the murder, or else she'd have been charged.

There's a long list of reasons why she wasn't charged, none of which are because of evidence.

"Oh they're rich and bought their way out of it" is an RDI rationalization that doesn't explain why LE never even bothered to book them.

Actually, the police wanted to arrest them. Hunter wouldn't do it. He set up a standard of doubt NOBODY could meet. Plus, I think the OJ trial scared the you-know-what out of the DA's office.

PR and JBR spent the whole evening together. PR's jacket fibers are naturally going to tranfer to JBR's hair. If hair was entwined then so will PR's jacket fibers.

But the fibers were not found on the body. That's the crucial thing.

If what you say is true, then why bother looking for one?

My feelings exactly!

 

[DeeDee249]

IMO, there weren't many people involved in this case who didn't think the Rs either were the murderers or knew who was. The R lawyers knew it. Hunter knew it, the police knew it, and the R friends & family knew it. Why else would PR's parents stay in Atlanta at a time like that? Maybe the Stines were the last hold-outs. The short list of people who believed the crap the Rs put out is this : Lou Smit. And if he's changed his mind by now, he'd never say it. But as he was involved with the Karr fiasco, I think he's still in the parallel universe where the Rs are innocent. Any one else on this list?

 

[coloradokares]

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/local/article/0,1299,DRMN_15_4934911,00.html

Read the date on that article. A number of self proclaimed experts came out back then. Where are they now!

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

The only thing I see as bizarre is the behavior of John and Patsy Ramsey. They didn't act like innocent parents trying to find a "perp." They acted likely parents trying to hide something.

"I mean, the whole thing is totally bizarre. I've never, in my 35-year career, seen anything like this." --Robert Ressler, 1997

Ressler wasn't referring to JR or PR behavior when he made this statement, so maybe you don't see things the same way as this expert.

JBR's murder is bizarre, without question.

 

[BOESP]

"I mean, the whole thing is totally bizarre. I've never, in my 35-year career, seen anything like this." --Robert Ressler, 1997

Ressler wasn't referring to JR or PR behavior when he made this statement, so maybe you don't see things the same way as this expert.

JBR's murder is bizarre, without question.

Holdon, I've read Ressler's entire statement. Perhaps Ressler meant it was beyond belief how the entire case was mishandled. Now that IS bizarre. It doesn't, however, make the Ramseys innocent.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Holdon, I've read Ressler's entire statement. Perhaps Ressler meant it was beyond belief how the entire case was mishandled. Now that IS bizarre. It doesn't, however, make the Ramseys innocent.

But even in his experience, Ressler said he has never seen a murder and sexual assault like that on JonBenet Ramsey. "I don't know of any case like this has ever happened," he said. "It is highly, highly unusual. I mean, the whole thing is totally bizarre. I've never, in my 35-year career, seen anything like this."


It would seem Ressler wasn't referring to how the case was 'mishandled'.

 

[BOESP]

But even in his experience, Ressler said he has never seen a murder and sexual assault like that on JonBenet Ramsey. "I don't know of any case like this has ever happened," he said. "It is highly, highly unusual. I mean, the whole thing is totally bizarre. I've never, in my 35-year career, seen anything like this."


It would seem Ressler wasn't referring to how the case was 'mishandled'.

Maybe you haven't seen this:

"Ressler [in response to a question]: Yeah, I've been to Boulder on two occasions. I've talked to a number of people in the law enforcement field, the medical field, the prosecutor, one of the prosecutors out there, even some of the domestic help of uh, the Ramseys and uh, some media people as well. I do not-- uh, I've been to the location of the house, I've been around the house, I've looked at the neighborhood and I do not ascribe at all to the concept that a stranger broke into the house and, uh, in an attempt to kidnap or abduct JonBenet, killed her and wrote the note, and then left. I believe it was some sort of an internal--- uh-- situation that occurred that-- uh--I believe the Ramseys-- Mr. and Mrs. Ramsey, possibly their son-- uh-- Burke, have more information available that they could provide police than they've held back-- uh-- in their non-cooperation they've put themselves in a position of being major suspects. It's very likely they're going to be indited in the Grand Jury here in April-- uh-- and whether or not there's enough to prosecute-- uh-- them to the point of conviction remains to be seen. But I think-- uh-- I've always believed that JonBenet was killed as a result of an accident that was being covered up-- I'm not saying whether or not Ramsey's parents or the brother were involved in the actual killing, but I think--as I say--I think that the entire-- uh-- elaborate staging was done to conceal the true facts of what really happened to that child."

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/5046/ressler.html

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Maybe you haven't seen this:

"Ressler [in response to a question]: Yeah, I've been to Boulder on two occasions. I've talked to a number of people in the law enforcement field, the medical field, the prosecutor, one of the prosecutors out there, even some of the domestic help of uh, the Ramseys and uh, some media people as well. I do not-- uh, I've been to the location of the house, I've been around the house, I've looked at the neighborhood and I do not ascribe at all to the concept that a stranger broke into the house and, uh, in an attempt to kidnap or abduct JonBenet, killed her and wrote the note, and then left. I believe it was some sort of an internal--- uh-- situation that occurred that-- uh--I believe the Ramseys-- Mr. and Mrs. Ramsey, possibly their son-- uh-- Burke, have more information available that they could provide police than they've held back-- uh-- in their non-cooperation they've put themselves in a position of being major suspects. It's very likely they're going to be indited in the Grand Jury here in April-- uh-- and whether or not there's enough to prosecute-- uh-- them to the point of conviction remains to be seen. But I think-- uh-- I've always believed that JonBenet was killed as a result of an accident that was being covered up-- I'm not saying whether or not Ramsey's parents or the brother were involved in the actual killing, but I think--as I say--I think that the entire-- uh-- elaborate staging was done to conceal the true facts of what really happened to that child."

http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/5046/ressler.html

So, uh, what do you think the major event was that caused Ressler to go from 'I've never seen anything like this' to, uh, RDI?

 

[BOESP]

So, uh, what do you think the major event was that caused Ressler to go from 'I've never seen anything like this' to, uh, RDI?

You would have to ask Ressler that question.

 

[Solace]

So, uh, what do you think the major event was that caused Ressler to go from 'I've never seen anything like this' to, uh, RDI?

Holdon,

BOESP just explained that "I have never seen anything like this" could very well mean how the case was mishandled or it could mean he has never encountered a kidnapping such as this." It is pretty clear he thinks one of the Ramseys is guilty and the rest are covering for that person.

 

[BOESP]

Holdon,

BOESP just explained that "I have never seen anything like this" could very well mean how the case was mishandled or it could mean he has never encountered a kidnapping such as this." It is pretty clear he thinks one of the Ramseys is guilty and the rest are covering for that person.

Thank you, Solace. It does get boring having to re-answer a question you've already answered. :waitasec:

I don't see how there could be any doubt about what Ressler was saying, no matter who killed JonBenet.