If no one at school "saw" anything..why not?

[Spyglass]

I think there would be way more possibility of someone seeing a student walk out of school on his own than with a parent. And so many factors then would not be under her control. She would be waiting in the car not knowing if Kyron saw someone who saw him leave, got waylaid by a teacher as he headed for the door, saw someone and said, "bye! I'm leaving with my mom now!", etc. She would have no idea what went on and who saw what once she left and Kyron was still in the building.

Good point.

 

[cluciano63]

I've held off posting for the last day and half or so, as everything just seems to be circular in this case, with no forward movement at all, at least not that comes from LE.

But school is going to be starting in another 5 weeks; that may seem like a long time, but it is only a little more than half as long as Kyron has been missing and no one could have imagined that by August, there would no more information as to what took place on June 4th than we knew that first weekend.

People will be talking at the school as soon those doors open; and the teachers and staff will re-assemble even sooner, to prepare for the new year. I don't think this veil of silence can last forever. It has worked in LE's favor for over two months, but people do talk and more versions of what happened on June 4th will start to come out. They may not be accurate ones, due to the lapse of time and the drama of the situation. But I'll bet it is something LE does not want to have happen. If they do have a deadline for an arrest, I'll bet it is before those doors open again.

Yet I can't help thinking that LE did not receive the info from the questionnaires that they hoped for-witnesses to Terri leaving the school with Kyron. I agree that by this point, with Kyron not being found, that Terri should have been arrested, if they had.

LE very much needs Terri to be involved, if they have been focusing on her and her alone for over two months. But they also very much need some evidence, either someone who saw Terri that day, or someone who has knowledge of her actions and words later on.

 

[Trident]

I've held off posting for the last day and half or so, as everything just seems to be circular in this case, with no forward movement at all, at least not that comes from LE.

(respectfully snipped for space)

LE very much needs Terri to be involved, if they have been focusing on her and her alone for over two months. But they also very much need some evidence, either someone who saw Terri that day, or someone who has knowledge of her actions and words later on.

BBM - this is the part that scares me. It's been known to happen that LE gets tunnel vision and it has also been known to happen that sometimes facts have been twisted to fit the "theory". I hope that isn't true in this case, because I want the REAL perp caught, not pinned on someone "others" want to pin it on.

My opinion only

 

[cluciano63]

OT, am watching a repeat of a 48 Hours on Christie Wilson, a girl who went missing from a casino in CA and never found. The man who was convicted of killing her was seen leaving the casino with her...he was not seen getting into a car with her, only seen leaving the casino and walking through the parking lot with her, on video. That is really all they had, except for his history with women. I really think if Terri was seen with Kyron outside of the school it would be enough for an arrest.

 

[Kimster]

Hello Websleuths!...Long time lurker here. decided it was time to join in...lol

Ocean, I dont think they have said what time she was last seen with Kyron...JMO

 

[mysteriew]

Great post to start this thread. And I agree that for the most part if nothing memorable happens, most won't remember any details.

However, there is another factor also. LE has talked to the parents and staff who were there that day. And most likely at least some were asked not to speak to the press about what they saw or heard. And there are most likely at least some who don't want to speak to the press. So just because not many details are known about what exactly happened at the school, doesn't mean that LE doesn't have more.

For instance I heard early on something about one witness that LE has refused to talk about. Something about someone who allegedly last saw Kyron near an exit from the school? Yet no details or anything has ever been let out about this. Was there actually a witness or was that rumor? Did they see or hear something? Only LE knows for sure because no one is talking.

LE gives out a lot of info. But they always keep some info for themseleves.

 

[Aedrys]

Thank you stmarysmead for starting this thread. This has been my thinking all along, as how IMO that Terry left the school with Kyron, she simply left with him. I appreciate everyone's opinion of why she would not have been so bold for doing just that, but no one stated that if she did just that, why it didn't happen. I feel that Terry and Kyron were basically blenders that morning. Terry didn't, not that it has been stated, have a large floppy hat on that everyone would have remembered, Kryon wasn't wearing neon clothing, that everyone would have remembered, The teacher, I believe, was under the impression Kyron had a Dr. appt that day, that is why she was not concerned that he was not in class at 10:00 when roll call was taken. This is all MIO, and I do appreciate everyone's opinions.

ITA. I was told something interesting once - the key is to look like you know what you're doing. If you look like you know what you're doing, that everything is normal, etc., people are more likely to dismiss you or not notice you. But if you act nervous, suspcious, dress abnormally, etc., you are far more likely to be noticed. I think TH just acted like it was a normal morning. She didn't act in the least suspicous, just like she knew what she was doing at that school, being a normal parent. And I think a lot people didn't even think about her that morning because she was acting so normal.

Heck, I sometimes don't notice friends and family because they are being so normal that I allow myself to concentrate on other things. I know if I was at a science fair, I'd be concentrating on the exhibits and probably not noticing much of anything else. That, I think is what TH was relying on, people being more interested in the science fair than her and what she was doing, being a normal parent. It's a skin she's learned to wear all of these years to fool people with. And it worked that morning. She was able to be cool and calm and find a way to get him out of that building and into the truck. And the scary thing is, nobody noticed.

 

[Donjeta]

You know how I feel about you and your opinions Ocean. :heart:

I saw this issue BBM brought up yesterday somewhere else.
The bus driver called the school. The school had to act on that call.
The authorities had to be called at that point.
There was no other way for the school to handle it. Period.
And I feel she knew the school and its activities like the back of her hand.
I have a few ideas on the why but feel sure it will be presented in court.

This breaks my heart so and is different for me for reasons you know about. :cry:
I love you more than my favorite sweater but we are going to have to agree to disagree about this one my friend.

jmho

I agree that there was no other option. At that point the school knew that he was not at school. Previously they were not concerned for him because they thought he was with his family. Now his family comes and says he's not with them.
Maybe the family is lying and attempts to fake a disappearance or the child got abducted at the school grounds or the child wandered off on his own. it doesn't matter, 911 is the way to go anyway, to get the police involved and sort it all out.

 

[mysteriew]

OT, am watching a repeat of a 48 Hours on Christie Wilson, a girl who went missing from a casino in CA and never found. The man who was convicted of killing her was seen leaving the casino with her...he was not seen getting into a car with her, only seen leaving the casino and walking through the parking lot with her, on video. That is really all they had, except for his history with women. I really think if Terri was seen with Kyron outside of the school it would be enough for an arrest.

I remember that case. While they had the video evidence showing her with him, it took a while for the arrest. They learned who he was, they talked to him and he denied. And it was a while before they go enough to make an arrest. They finally found and matched a spot of blood in his vehicle.

 

[butterfly1978]

I pray to God that I am never a POI in a crime, because of all the searches on my computer. The other day I was thinking about this when someone stated but "someone would have seen them leave the school" and I said "Kyron is gone and no one saw him leave regardless if it was Terri or someone else, he got out of the school and no one saw anything." So I decided to do some research about, and I decided to look up hiding in plain sight, commiting a crime in a crowd without being seen and diffrent things like that. There are thousands of websites that tell people how not to be noticed, such as wearing clothing that is neutral in colors and many diffrent things, its quite amazing how much we don't notice in a busy environment, and how easy it is to commit a crime in plain sight.
I look at it like this imagine if you are at a concert or a busy mall, everyone is talking and making noise moving around and such, you can not hear what the person two seats beside you is saying unless you are tuned in to that specific person, you would never know if someone 3 rows in front of you was cursing you out, because there is to much going on. Look at Morgan Harrington she disappeared in plain sight. The Olympic bombing was done in plain sight, and they even had security there. A couple of years ago we went to a Blue Angels flight show, during the show a storm came and they had to postpone for a few minutes, then they restarted and everything was fine. Later that evening while watching the news we heard that there was what they call a down burst and caused a tent to collapse killing a kid, in all the commotion we never knew anything had even happened, til after the fact. I am sure if Skyline is like our school is on days my kids have programs it is a mad house. I do not think it is that strange that no one saw anything especially if it was not abnormal, and even if it were abnormal I still dont think to many people would have noticed.

 

[ThoughtFox]

If Kyron was crying or pitching a fit when Terri took him to the truck (which I believe she did), then someone might have noticed.

If he was just being docile and following her, who would pay any attention? It was a school, she was his stepmother, a familiar presence there, and she supposedly had the baby with her - nothing suspicious about it.

But I have to say that after driving my kids to school for years and years there's a time right after the bell rings when the parking lot is usually deserted and children are usually not around outside.

Many times I have walked back to the car and been the only person in the parking lot, and unless someone was looking out a window they wouldn't see me. Where I parked at my school was behind the cafeteria and no windows faced that way.

Our schools here are very strict about children not going outside after the bell. They go into lockdown except for the main front door near the office and anyone coming or going has to wear a nametag.

Unfortunately this school in Oregon didn't have that rule, sadly. I bet they have a new rule starting this fall.:twocents:

 

[watchinginky]

Kyron was at the science fair and one would think that one of his teacher(s) would have seen him before class. I find it strange that after classes started, no one questioned where he was. Even if a teacher didn't see him at the science fair, wouldn't one of them report to the main office that he wasn't in school that day? Wouldn't a parent of a small child be notified that he/she wasn't in school? Unless TH told one of them or the main office that he had an appointment....who knows.

He wasn't reported missing until he didn't get off the bus that afternoon. A whole school day went by and not one person questioned where this little child was. :waitasec:

 

[Donjeta]

I think the teacher may well have reported him absent to the school office but that was it since they used to have no procedure for following up the absences.

 

[Billylee]

Did anyone ever post a time line for the school that day. Like the actual time kids were supposed to group for the tours. The times the bells ring at that school, when all would be in their class rooms? All I've seen is the sign out front that said when the sci-fair and talent show were. Was there a change that day in the time class actually started? Was it 10:00 (after the sci-fair?) It would be informative to have that put in the reference area. Maybe someone out there has a letter to the parents stating that kind of info.

 

[Billylee]

It is very interesting what we notice and don't notice isn't it? I often accuse my hubby of walking around with blinders on when I get something new for the house. But, when we're driving somewhere, he notices cars and big trees, landmark type things that just blow by me.

I think you are all right. On the one hand, we tend to notice people we know. You can be at an airport for instance and there's a bunch of strangers you barely look at right next to you, but across the building you see someone you know. On the other hand I think we really notice strangers only when there is something about their behavior or attire is odd.
I think that comes from our natural instinct to sort of mind our own business and look the other way. JMO

What we do know here I guess is that if LE is still saying TH was the last one to see Ky at school that day, is that no one else saw him after whatever time that was, with or without TH. Because if anyone saw them leave together, or even saw him walking one way and her the other down the hall, it would have been after TH's 8:45 statement. Correct?

 

[SurfieTX]

Did anyone ever post a time line for the school that day. Like the actual time kids were supposed to group for the tours. The times the bells ring at that school, when all would be in their class rooms? All I've seen is the sign out front that said when the sci-fair and talent show were. Was there a change that day in the time class actually started? Was it 10:00 (after the sci-fair?) It would be informative to have that put in the reference area. Maybe someone out there has a letter to the parents stating that kind of info.

I don't have any link, but this is what I surmise. Thursday was the day TH took the truck and the project to be set up in Kyron's class. Thursday was when the students did the presentation of their project to their classmates and teacher. Friday, the school opened early at 8:00. Parents could tour from 8:00 until 8:45 (the final bell for class). The classmates were arranged in smaller groups with a chaperon and from say 9ish to 9:50ish, they were allowed to go in their group to visit all of the other classrooms and see the other students' projects.

At 10:00, the students assembled once again in their class after finishing the school tour and roll was taken. After lunch, the talent show was to take place at 1:00.

 

[SurfieTX]

I don't have any link, but this is what I surmise. Thursday was the day TH took the truck and the project to be set up in Kyron's class. Thursday was when the students did the presentation of their project to their classmates and teacher. Friday, the school opened early at 8:00. Parents could tour from 8:00 until 8:45 (the final bell for class). The classmates were arranged in smaller groups with a chaperon and from say 9ish to 9:50ish, they were allowed to go in their group to visit all of the other classrooms and see the other students' projects.

At 10:00, the students assembled once again in their class after finishing the school tour and roll was taken. After lunch, the talent show was to take place at 1:00.

Okay, now following on this idea, let's assume that KH and TH looked at the school's sign about the science fair and had the idea that the parents could stay until 10:00; however, Terri found out that wasn't the case. So, she went home and had to email the teacher about picking up the project (presumably so DY and TY could see it over the weekend).

 

[Billylee]

Okay, now following on this idea, let's assume that KH and TH looked at the school's sign about the science fair and had the idea that the parents could stay until 10:00; however, Terri found out that wasn't the case. So, she went home and had to email the teacher about picking up the project (presumably so DY and TY could see it over the weekend).

Exactly, confusion. I would have thought by looking at the sign, that school didn't actually start that day until 10:00, after the sci-fair. I wish there was an actual letter or something we could see that may have been sent out to the parents about the day's activities.

 

[human]

Did anyone ever post a time line for the school that day. Like the actual time kids were supposed to group for the tours. The times the bells ring at that school, when all would be in their class rooms? All I've seen is the sign out front that said when the sci-fair and talent show were. Was there a change that day in the time class actually started? Was it 10:00 (after the sci-fair?) It would be informative to have that put in the reference area. Maybe someone out there has a letter to the parents stating that kind of info.

8:35 warning bell. Buses arrive around that time.

8:45 Kids in room . Classes start.

8-10-science fair for public and parents.

10 -Kyron marked absent

 

[Billylee]

8:35 warning bell. Buses arrive around that time.

8:45 Kids in room . Classes start.

8-10-science fair for public and parents.

10 -Kyron marked absent

Human, do you have a link for that info. Does this mean Kyron was late for class, since Terri left him at 8:45 IN THE HALL where he was heading to class? And does this mean that EVERYONE else was already in class?