IF Ronald Cumming Is Involved in Harming Haleigh What is His Motive? *LIST*

[Vegas Bride]

Regardless of if RC had a motive, IMO he was responsible for something happening to Haleigh and because of that he owed Misty enough that he married her. I believe she is the only one of his girlfriends he's ever married. It's also my belief that his family also knew he owed Misty and that's why the diamond ring was passed on to her. How many people do you know who would hand over a diamond ring to give the teenage girl who "lost" your 5 yo ggranddaughter after she returned from a drug binge?

VB

 

[celticthyme]

My Opinion Only: I do not think RonC had a motive for Killing Haleigh. If he killed her, it was in a fit of rage. I DO THINK HE IS RESPONSIBLE. His daughter was his responsibility. My theory is she may have died from drugs laying around, accidentally, and they are covering that up and he knows. IF The Croslin boys were involved in her dying somehow, they could have been covering up abuse, which got out of hand. I think they were definitely involved in getting rid of her body. Whatever they were covering up, they all know what happened to her. There are so many intangibles because of the drugs surrounding this whole family, they all have things to hide and cover up and lie about.Worse than the Anthony's. At least we know it was Casey in that mess.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Did he need a motive?

IMO, there has to be some motive he had in his mind to do something this horrible if he did do it.

IMOO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Regardless of if RC had a motive, IMO he was responsible for something happening to Haleigh and because of that he owed Misty enough that he married her. I believe she is the only one of his girlfriends he's ever married. It's also my belief that his family also knew he owed Misty and that's why the diamond ring was passed on to her. How many people do you know who would hand over a diamond ring to give the teenage girl who "lost" your 5 yo ggranddaughter after she returned from a drug binge?

VB

About the drug binge? Is this being told by Misty to her grandmother Flora.

Do you really believe Misty when she says anything?

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I don't think anyone meant to kill Haleigh so there would be no motive in killing her, only in covering it up.

I think Ron went into a rage over the gun and Haleigh got in the way.

The motive for covering it up was that Haleigh's death would be the fear of the investigation...not just the illegal activities but that an "accidental" death would not be believed because of the life they lead.

So you think Ron came in and found Tommy and Joe there?

IMOO

 

[captdj]

No motive,Even an accident he would seek Medical attention for Haleigh.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

I think Ron is guilty of many things but not of murdering his daughter. I'm going by the timeline for the most part. This case is as frustrating as the Caylee Anthony case was. I wish someone would just hire a good psychic and get down to the truth of what really happened on the night that Haleigh "disappeared." Or hopefully, going by another thread that is closed about tonight's NG show, Tommy knows what happened to Haleigh according to his lawyer. We'll see.

That is what has given me pause all along. It is only commonsense that Ron's alibi was long ago verified. So if he got off a 3 am like has been stated there is absolutely no way he could have been a part of any of this imo. 26 Minutes? No way. There were simply too many steps that would have been taken after he got off at 3 am, stopped by the convenience store and then went home and call 911 by 3:26 am.

I am still stuggling to even fathom what his motive would have been to murder his own little girl but I am reading all the interesting theories on motive and find them quite thought provoking.

IMO

 

[oceanblueeyes]

No Motive! The state is not required to prove motive in a murder case. It would be nice and I sure if this go to court there be many.
I have not seen or heard anything were Ron care if he does time for the bust.

He willing to do his 25 and Hope time too. And 25 is better than life or the DP.

Could it be his way of redeeming his self for Haleigh's death?

At this time in my mind the accident (even if it was one) is off the table for anyone who is involve with the dissapearance of Haleigh.

There is no excuses for the lies and coverup stories in the last 14 months.

This is a murder of a little girl and it to late to call it an accident. JMO

Thank you for your comments tfrohning. I think most all of us here are aware that motive is not a required element the DA has to prove in court.

However; I was asking posters on a message board what they think the motive was where motive is discussed continously on other cases.

And honestly I have never seen a criminal case where the DA did not produce his/her own theory as to what the motive was. It is not required but all DAs know that the jury wants to know the reason why.

IMO

 

[krowdkat]

That is what has given me pause all along. It is only commonsense that Ron's alibi was long ago verified. So if he got off a 3 am like has been stated there is absolutely no way he could have been a part of any of this imo. 26 Minutes? No way. There were simply too many steps that would have been taken after he got off at 3 am, stopped by the convenience store and then went home and call 911 by 3:26 am.

I am still stuggling to even fathom what his motive would have been to murder his own little girl but I am reading all the interesting theories on motive and find them quite thought provoking.

IMO

I completely agree with you OBE. I just have such a hard time with him blowing up Misty's phone and her not answering him during the time he was working. I try to simplify as opposed to over thinking for behaviors with this bunch. The only way (in my mind) that Ron was motivated to do anything in regards to this case/situation was because he had drugs stashed and didn't want to take any rap for his illicit activities surrounding drugs. I almost think that he does know what happened to Haleigh, but since he can't undo anything he just doesn't want to do time. In other words, he is protecting himself over Haleigh, which still makes him a fairly crappy parent.

 

[badme102]

She wouldn't and neither would they.

She and 'they' certainly would if 'they' were involved in the crime WITH Ron. It's simple.

You have to look at it like they would. The Croslins and Misty would cover for him while covering for themselves.

 

[badme102]

Motivationaly speaking, I can see Ron being so P'd off after Misty's bender weekend that he told his mom not to baby sit for Misty. I can see Misty asking TN and offering her money to watch Ron's kids because she was coming off a bender. I can SEE the conflict. I can even see GGMS comiing over to briing the kids laundry and check on Misty. I can't see Misty not picking up the phone when Ron called if they were in it together. I don't see Ron's motivation to kill his daughter. If Ron were to kill anyone that day, it would have been Misty in my humble opinion. I don't see the motivation on Ron's part. Especially since LE isn't leaking stuff about him failing a LDT or when he was or wasn't at work.

:waitasec: LE isn't leaking anything.

Motive: anger and/or OD accident. Ron instructed Misty to give Haleigh something, Tommy (and maybe Joe) helped with disposal of her body.

All FOUR would be complicit in the crime and coverup

 

[DollyPardonMe]

My daughters neighbors 3 year oldson ate quite a lot from a bottle of Risperdal. It is true, some children will eat the pills. But a 5 or 6 year old, I don't know...

OMG, I know this is O/T..but is he ok????? Risperdal is such a STRONG drug. My grandson (age 7) takes it and just one knocks him out. I pray he is ok!! raying:

 

[badme102]

About the drug binge? Is this being told by Misty to her grandmother Flora.

Do you really believe Misty when she says anything?

IMO

Sorry to go off topic of the thread, I will try not to do it again but the 3 day drug binge is an absolute fact.

 

[krt]

I honestly do not think he intended to murder his own dtr; I think his upbringing and lack of being held accountable for his actions growing up (which he still hasn't) caused her death. In otherwords; out of control temper/hit her without intent of killing her.

 

[krowdkat]

:waitasec: LE isn't leaking anything.

Motive: anger and/or OD accident. Ron instructed Misty to give Haleigh something, Tommy (and maybe Joe) helped with disposal of her body.

All FOUR would be complicit in the crime and coverup

Sorry if that was confusing. All I meant is that we have heard how many times Misty failed her poly. LE hasn't verified or "leaked" to their sources whether Ron did or didn't pass. As far as I have read/heard, Ron has only taken one.

And just in case you are wondering, it has been my personal experience that YES LE does leak/communicate with the media, although mostly surreptitiously.

 

[Maven2379]

Sorry if that was confusing. All I meant is that we have heard how many times Misty failed her poly. LE hasn't verified or "leaked" to their sources whether Ron did or didn't pass. As far as I have read/heard, Ron has only taken one.

And just in case you are wondering, it has been my personal experience that YES LE does leak/communicate with the media, although mosty surreptitiously.

I think nobody is ever forced to take a poly, I'm pretty sure that Ron and Misty took at least one with LE, and according to Ron they both passed "with flying colors". :silenced:

I think the only reason we know about Misty's history with polys is because of the one with TM. I really don't think we would know either way whether she passed or failed, if she wouldn't have been so determined to "clear her name" for TM:dance: .

I know LE "leaks" happen all the time, I'm not sure that they have happened in this case much at all, and if they have, I think it's been under much control.

JMO :twocents:

 

[krowdkat]

I honestly do not think he intended to murder his own dtr; I think his upbringing and lack of being held accountable for his actions growing up (which he still hasn't) caused her death. In otherwords; out of control temper/hit her without intent of killing her.

I can totally see where you are coming from in regards to Ron. The only reason I feel differently about Ron harming her is LE response to Ron. Think Casey A...they (LE) were focused on her from the get-go. Same way LE has been focused on Misty in this case. I feel like LE has enough facts in this particular case to pull the MAIN focus off of him. However, I do agree with you for the most part. I think Ron would have eventually ended up incarcerated because of his anger management issues. He's not a very nice man, IMO. Ultimately, I think he is responsible for what happened to his precious girl. I just don't think he physically harmed her the day she went missing.

Great Post. I love being forced to think because of all of you.

 

[badme102]

Sorry if that was confusing. All I meant is that we have heard how many times Misty failed her poly. LE hasn't verified or "leaked" to their sources whether Ron did or didn't pass. As far as I have read/heard, Ron has only taken one.

And just in case you are wondering, it has been my personal experience that YES LE does leak/communicate with the media, although mosty surreptitiously.

Not in this case they don't. :banghead:

I do see what you're saying though, but that is in other cases.

 

[cluciano63]

I honestly don't think anyone intentionally killed Haleigh, thus no motive applies. I do think that she was harmed by something done to her to get her to go to sleep or as a punishment, i.e. I don't believe she accidently got into the drugs. Drugs=money to dealers and users and they keep them well-hidden, especially this bunch when they apparently have people coming in and out on a regular basis who might be tempted to help themselves. I don't think they locked their stash up to keep the children safe, in other words.
I don't know if Ron caused the harm, obviously, none of us do, but if he did, I think he did not know she was dead when he left but was worried about whatever had happened prior to him heading to werk, this the phone calls. If he had hit her, say, then he probably had cooled down and wanted to make sure she was ok and when Misty wasn't answering, kep calling in a panic. The stop on the way home makes me think he found out something bad during the course of the evening, or suspected it, and decided to create an alibi.
I don't think LE is going to need to worry about a motive in this case; when children are killed, there is never a good reason so LE does not need to try to convince a jury of that.

 

[tfrohning]

Thank you for your comments tfrohning. I think most all of us here are aware that motive is not a required element the DA has to prove in court.

However; I was asking posters on a message board what they think the motive was where motive is discussed continously on other cases.

And honestly I have never seen a criminal case where the DA did not produce his/her own theory as to what the motive was. It is not required but all DAs know that the jury wants to know the reason why.

IMO

I am well aware of the talent here at WS and always amaze at their knowledge.

That just my post....not trying to tell anyone what they already know.

I do however look forward to hearing the the motive for all the lies and covering for Ron... JMO