If the phone records from that night magically disappeared, who do you think the Ramseys were speaking to? How much detail did they share to get help.

[ispywithmylittleeye]

I think they had legal help with how to obscure the crime scene so no one person could be accused. How did that conversation go? Think about what that would look like with each potential suspect. My thought is what scenario would garner the most sympathy to get as much cooperation as they got.

 

[CloudedTruth]

I think they had legal help with how to obscure the crime scene so no one person could be accused. How did that conversation go? Think about what that would look like with each potential suspect. My thought is what scenario would garner the most sympathy to get as much cooperation as they got.

I agree.

The Ramsey cell phone records were allegedly illegally obtained by James Rapp, who also managed to obtain copies of credit card records. Denver radio host Peter Boyles claimed on one of his shows to have seen the phone records and again allegedly, those records showed 3 phone calls prior to the 911 call. According to Boyles, one call was to attorney Mike Bynum, one was to Dr. Beuf and the 3rd was to an unidentified number.

As the story goes, those records were confiscated by police and remain sealed, unable to be used because they were obtained illegally. And of course DA Alex Hunter refused to sign off on BPD's subpoena for the phone records. After a year had gone by, Steve Thomas claims that it was suggested by the DA's office that the police just politely ask Team Ramsey for the records. They finally did turn over some records, but not all. A claim was made that JR's cell phone had been mysteriously lost just prior to the murder.

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

I agree.

The Ramsey cell phone records were allegedly illegally obtained by James Rapp, who also managed to obtain copies of credit card records. Denver radio host Peter Boyles claimed on one of his shows to have seen the phone records and again allegedly, those records showed 3 phone calls prior to the 911 call. According to Boyles, one call was to attorney Mike Bynum, one was to Dr. Beuf and the 3rd was to an unidentified number.

As the story goes, those records were confiscated by police and remain sealed, unable to be used because they were obtained illegally. And of course DA Alex Hunter refused to sign off on BPD's subpoena for the phone records. After a year had gone by, Steve Thomas claims that it was suggested by the DA's office that the police just politely ask Team Ramsey for the records. They finally did turn over some records, but not all. A claim was made that JR's cell phone had been mysteriously lost just prior to the murder.

Oh boy Clouded Truth, you just set my little brain into overdrive . The attorney, I expected. I did not know about the call to Dr Beuf.
That call raises a million questions. Was she alive or already deceased when that call was made?. Was it regarding JB or a traumatized sibling who just did the unthinkable. What did they need from Dr Beuf, given different scenarios which each player? And the unidentified call, who pray tell....

 

[CloudedTruth]

Oh boy Clouded Truth, you just set my little brain into overdrive . The attorney, I expected. I did not know about the call to Dr Beuf.
That call raises a million questions. Was she alive or already deceased when that call was made?. Was it regarding JB or a traumatized sibling who just did the unthinkable. What did they need from Dr Beuf, given different scenarios which each player? And the unidentified call, who pray tell....

Sorry about that ispywithmylittleeye!

I will stress that as far as I am aware, there is only the one source for this information, and that is Peter Boyles. To my knowledge, James Rapp has never commented on it. I would love it if someone could confirm this information. I too suspected that Bynum (or another legal source, but I have always guessed that it was Bynum) was contacted.. Dr. Beuf was a surprise to me too. Would also love to know who the 3rd call went to.

I can't recall if Boyles discussed the times the calls were made. But if they really did call Dr. Beuf, I wonder if it was for to ask if he thought the blow to the head was survivable? We can only guess of course, but these calls make sense to me in that I can believe that they happened and are for real. But it sure would be nice to have a confirmation!

 

[ispywithmylittleeye]

Sorry about that ispywithmylittleeye!

I will stress that as far as I am aware, there is only the one source for this information, and that is Peter Boyles. To my knowledge, James Rapp has never commented on it. I would love it if someone could confirm this information. I too suspected that Bynum (or another legal source, but I have always guessed that it was Bynum) was contacted.. Dr. Beuf was a surprise to me too. Would also love to know who the 3rd call went to.

I can't recall if Boyles discussed the times the calls were made. But if they really did call Dr. Beuf, I wonder if it was for to ask if he thought the blow to the head was survivable? We can only guess of course, but these calls make sense to me in that I can believe that they happened and are for real. But it sure would be nice to have a confirmation!

All of the above in your post raises questions. The time in which they were made of course being critical. ANY calls made to Dr. Beuf put him directly in the middle of a cover up. Again, I ask, what did these conversations look like. There's been an accident ( insert name) we need help. What do we do?
These are the important calls that the world should have heard not PRs theatrics.
For caller #3, I'll add to Bynum, the pilot and BRs psychiatrist.
I'm torn with the Ramseys calling Beuf to advise on severity of injury as I don't think he really could make an informed decision over the phone unless there was no pulse, no heartbeat for any length of time. Even if they informed him of the blow to the head, how could he medically evaluate?
So many questions!

 

[CloudedTruth]

All of the above in your post raises questions. The time in which they were made of course being critical. ANY calls made to Dr. Beuf put him directly in the middle of a cover up. Again, I ask, what did these conversations look like. There's been an accident ( insert name) we need help. What do we do?
These are the important calls that the world should have heard not PRs theatrics.
For caller #3, I'll add to Bynum, the pilot and BRs psychiatrist.
I'm torn with the Ramseys calling Beuf to advise on severity of injury as I don't think he really could make an informed decision over the phone unless there was no pulse, no heartbeat for any length of time. Even if they informed him of the blow to the head, how could he medically evaluate?
So many questions!

Valid points, valid questions.......will we ever have the answers we seek?

Calling the pilot is an interesting thought, although he apparently was called by JR at around 6:45 that morning. Mike was already on his way to the airport. It's kind of odd to me that during all the trauma and chaos going on at that time that JR would have the presence of mind to call the pilot, presumably to say the flight needed to be cancelled.

 

[proust20]

Protocols of LM required John to contact the corp. before the police.

If chronic SA were the catalyst for the murder, the Rs should have been determined to not anyone know what JonBenet was enduring. The staging of the final assault can be seen in this light. Making sure that Dr. B kept quiet professionally was very important. Eventually, he destroyed JB's files. Score one for Team R. Of course, Patsy could not remember why she called Dr. B several times in one day.

I wonder if the third call were out of state?

 

[CloudedTruth]

Protocols of LM required John to contact the corp. before the police.

If chronic SA were the catalyst for the murder, the Rs should have been determined to not anyone know what JonBenet was enduring. The staging of the final assault can be seen in this light. Making sure that Dr. B kept quiet professionally was very important. Eventually, he destroyed JB's files. Score one for Team R. Of course, Patsy could not remember why she called Dr. B several times in one day.

I wonder if the third call were out of state?

Correct. That was the protocol which JR would've had to sign off on that he understood. He did not follow protocol. And who would've been adequately equipped with the proper protocols to deal with a kidnapping of an executive's child by a "foreign faction"? An international defense contractor.

The three calls to Dr. Beuf's office were made after hours and within the space of 30 minutes, which implies a sense of urgency. And yet, PR could not remember the calls. Right.

 

[bugis]

Sorry about that ispywithmylittleeye!

I will stress that as far as I am aware, there is only the one source for this information, and that is Peter Boyles. To my knowledge, James Rapp has never commented on it. I would love it if someone could confirm this information. I too suspected that Bynum (or another legal source, but I have always guessed that it was Bynum) was contacted.. Dr. Beuf was a surprise to me too. Would also love to know who the 3rd call went to.

I can't recall if Boyles discussed the times the calls were made. But if they really did call Dr. Beuf, I wonder if it was for to ask if he thought the blow to the head was survivable? We can only guess of course, but these calls make sense to me in that I can believe that they happened and are for real. But it sure would be nice to have a confirmation!

I think it was only an anonymous poster on forumsforjustice who claimed that Peter Boyles said such a thing. I don't think evidence that he really did say that has ever been given.

 

[Swirlz]

Eventually, he destroyed JB's files.

Does anyone have a source for this? I'm not saying there isn't one, I've just never seen it.