If you were in charge of Kyron's investigation...

[Trident]

Ay dios mio.

How many times have we said this feels like a stage production but no one seems to know who the director is, what strings are being pulled, and why ?

One for the lawyers .... Can an acting DA be removed from a case and would the next step likely be the appointment of a Special Prosecutor with no local ties ?

http://www.oregonlive.com/news/index.ssf/2009/03/influential_multnomah_county_p.html

OMG is right. That article does explain a lot of things and I assume it was "friendly" to him.

I'm horrified, appalled, and disgusted.

My opinion only

 

[gitana1]

Repeating, this thread isn't about "being critical" of LE. It's simply spitballing and thinking in different directions. BTW, I've worked in settings in which we routinely were expected to have team meetings and go over what we missed, and what we did that we could have done better. Only improved us.

Professionals understand that sometimes, ya gotta put the Scrabble tiles back in the box, shake 'em up, and throw 'em all out again.

I don't take the thread to be critical of LE, but the way it's phrased makes it hard to answer. If the question was, "assuming the investigation is at a standstill, what would you do if appointed to investigate", I think it would be easier to answer. At this point, I'd have no clue what I'd do if I stepped in because I don't know what they have. I do believe they have a lot and I'm surprised that some assume they are at a dead end simply because there has been no arrest in three months. We don't know if there has been a break in the case and what they are doing. But they have said they have a massive amount of evidence, are working non-stop and that a multitude of various other agencies are involved.

We can place ourselves in their shoes because that is what alot of us like to do.

It is easy to question what law enforcement is doingand how they are doing it because they haven't exactly presented themselves in the media very well and all is currently quiet.


They ask for tips (fred meyer and white truck) 2 months after a "crime" has been commited, when they knew this information within days of Kyron going missing, isn't instilling a lot of faith.

They don't want any volunteers out searching for Kyron just trained search and rescue? Most LE are asking for volunteers to be out searching. Especially people who are familiar with the area the person is missing in.

The failed MFH sting with the landscaper. That was just ridiculous.

They allowed Kyron's father, mother, and step-father to make all the inflammatory statements directed at TMH and imply that they were getting this info from the LE.

Now before I get flamed or banned let me state that I have two brothers involved in law enforcement and I am usually pro law enforcement. I believe in this case that a few errors were made early on and I sincerely hope that the LE has recovered from them.

I also know that most cases are not solved quickly and require time.

Kat started a great thread and I, for one, appreciate it. :dance:

We all want to bring Kyron home and it doesn't hurt for us to speculate and think of new ideas.

JMHO...

I don't think LE have presented themselves in a bad light at all. They haven't said much nor revealed hardly anything. Just because things re quiet does not mean nothing's happening. I think there are some incredibly busy investigators on this case who are working through many sleepless nights and time away from their loved ones. I don't think I could handle that for as long as they have. And I don't think I'm alone in my feelings about how they have presented themselves. The media has not criticized them in any way, that I have seen. They are often all over it when they sense LE has bungled or is bungling an investigation. Like in Tonya Craft's case. I don't see that here at all. We are a public greedy for info that would lead to answers regarding what happened to a precious child. I can't blame us for that. But LE, IMO, is doing it's job and protecting their investigation and Kyron by holding back and even though I don't like their silence, I respect it.

If some of us didn't question certain things being done or not done...what would we be discussing all day and night? There is not much to say when everyone agrees...

LOL. You're right!

 

[Kat010]

I am jumping in quickly to say thanks Kat010, IMO this is a great topic for discussion and thanks to all who have posted their ideas!

And thanks to you, too, nonfiction!

 

[Kat010]

I have been doing some further 'investigation', trying to pinpoint the problem of why the case seems to be going nowhere. (And to me, it has seemed that way for a couple of months.)

I have found the definitive article, the information that reveals to me the truth of it all. I understand now why it is being run as if it were a top secret operation.

Make no mistake, Mike Schrunk is running the entire investigation. Underhill and Frink are just [yes men], hoping that Schrunk will retire before they do so that they might get to run for District Attorney. Based on this article, I doubt their dreams will be realized.

Schrunk appears to wield alot of power. Alot! Power over judges; over his assistant DAs, of course; over the police; the sheriffs; as nearly as I can tell he is probably the single most powerful person in all of Multnomah County.

So... if I was in charge, he would be forced to retire. The DAs office would get out of the investigation business, and some real detectives would be brought in to try to pick up the pieces and solve this case. And, much of the secrecy would have to go.

Here is the article:

Influential Multnomah County prosecutor guards his privacy

Great find, thank you.

Yes, sometimes this whole case gets more than a bit Pirandello-ish.

 

[gitana1]

Great find, thank you.

Yes, sometimes this whole case gets more than a bit Pirandello-ish.

Okay, Websleuths is even greater than I thought! A reference to Pirandello?
We've got some hardcore intellectuals on this site. (BTW, I never would have known who Pirandello is except my mate took a modern art and lit class and was going crazy trying to write a paper on Four Characters in Search of an Author).

But, back on topic, I think I'm missing something. I read the article about the DA and saw nothing ominous. What's the issue with him?

 

[crystalgenie]

I don't think LE have presented themselves in a bad light at all. They haven't said much nor revealed hardly anything. Just because things re quiet does not mean nothing's happening. I think there are some incredibly busy investigators on this case who are working through many sleepless nights and time away from their loved ones. I don't think I could handle that for as long as they have. And I don't think I'm alone in my feelings about how they have presented themselves. The media has not criticized them in any way, that I have seen.

(snipped by me)

I was giving my opinion and that is all.

I do not depend on the media to form my opinions for me. I do not allow the media to tell me what to think or how to feel on any subject. Just because they haven't reported an issue does not mean that one cannot form ones own opinion.

I am fully aware of what law enforcement officers go through, both physically and emotionally, when investigating any case that involves the murder, disappearance, molestation, or abuse of a child. I have stated my familial relations that are in law enforcement. To be a good police officer the work has to be a calling not just a job. It takes a real dedication that most of us common people do not have.

That however does not mean that we, as taxpayers do not have the right to be critical of what they are doing or how they are handling a case. Law enforcement officers have thick enough skin to deal with the murders, rapists, paedophiles and the very dredges of society so any discussion here, by armchair detectives, is not going to be a blip on their radar.

JMHO

 

[cluciano63]

I do think it is getting on to where some pointed questions from the media might not be out of order.

Are you any closer to finding Kyron? (and not to be answered by "we know where he isn't.) A "yes" or "no" would be sufficient. If "yes, in what way?

Who have you ruled out as a suspect/POI? Are there any RSO's who cannot be accounted for on that day? Have Kristian Horman's whereabouts been established beyond doubt on June 4th? Would it be worthwhile to do more searching around the school and Skyline general area? Did Terr's cell phone "ping" on Sauvie Island or was that an early rumor that was not true? Was there ever a ransom note in this case? Is there any employee/contractor from Skyline who has not been interviewed and cleared?
Why did you wait more than 2 months to ask the public for help on the Fred Meyers, etc. alibi? Why are Desiree and Kaine privvy to the content of tips?

If I was a journalist, those are some of the questions I would be asking, now that we are into September and seemingly, in the same place we were, back in June.

 

[craftybatchy]

I do think it is getting on to where some pointed questions from the media might not be out of order.

Are you any closer to finding Kyron? (and not to be answered by "we know where he isn't.) A "yes" or "no" would be sufficient. If "yes, in what way?

Who have you ruled out as a suspect/POI? Are there any RSO's who cannot be accounted for on that day? Have Kristian Horman's whereabouts been established beyond doubt on June 4th?

If I was a journalist, those are some of the questions I would be asking, now that we are into September and seemingly, in the same place we were, back in June.

(respectfully snipped and bbm).

Sometimes more is revealed by what is not said rather than what is. LE has yet to name a POI, nor have they indicated that ANYONE has been ruled out. That in itself is very telling, imo.

I wonder if the fact that Desirees husband is a member of LE has any bearing on what/when information is shared with the family. I am surprised that Tony Young was so forthcoming about the conversations he had with immediate family shortly after Kyrons disappearance and in the early hours of the investigation. In the hands of the right attorney, his actions could be taken as obstruction and interfering with a witness.


So back to topic ........

I would meet with Tony Young first before anything. I would make it very clear to him that he is NOT to prep anyone prior to questioning. He is not to discuss LE interview techniques or details surrounding the administration of polygraphs. He would be subject to the same expectations of any member of LE in respect to confidentiality during an investigation but would be treated by LE as any other family member - privy to no more info than anyone else.

 

[cluciano63]

Sorry to be OT, but didn't LE say at most recent PC or one of them, that they had ruled out a number of people, but the statement kind of went by, unchallenged?

 

[gitana1]

OT but I hate to misquote! It's SIX Characters in Search of an Author, not Four as I stated. Thanks Kat010 for graciously cluing me in! Maybe if it had been 4 instead of 6, i would have understood it better. Maybe that's what's wrong with this case, too many players, too many side stories. Ack!!!!

 

[i.b.nora]

http://theportlander.com/2010/07/23...on-horman-case-acknowledge-criminal-behavior/

Investigators Answer Questions in Kyron Horman Case, Acknowledge Criminal Behavior

Posted by Staff Writer on Jul 23rd, 2010

The Multnomah County Sheriff’s Department, the lead investigative agency in the Kyron Horman case, recently allowed the media to submit questions via email, regarding the investigation. Today, the sheriff’s department released selected questions with detailed answers.

Below is their release from today, unedited and in it’s entirety:

Has anyone been ruled out in Kyron’s disappearance? Who?

A number of people have been ruled out; we are unable to discuss the specifics of these individuals.

 

[STEADFAST]

http://theportlander.com/2010/07/23...on-horman-case-acknowledge-criminal-behavior/

Investigators Answer Questions in Kyron Horman Case, Acknowledge Criminal Behavior

Posted by Staff Writer on Jul 23rd, 2010

The Multnomah County Sheriff’s Department, the lead investigative agency in the Kyron Horman case, recently allowed the media to submit questions via email, regarding the investigation. Today, the sheriff’s department released selected questions with detailed answers.

Below is their release from today, unedited and in it’s entirety:

Has anyone been ruled out in Kyron’s disappearance? Who?

A number of people have been ruled out; we are unable to discuss the specifics of these individuals.

Thanks for finding that, i.b.nora!

Seeing it explains why the statement went unchallenged by the press. These were written answers to written questions, so there wasn't an opportunity for follow-up questions.

 

[craftybatchy]

Sorry to be OT, but didn't LE say at most recent PC or one of them, that they had ruled out a number of people, but the statement kind of went by, unchallenged?

Thanks for pointing that out. I should have said that LE has not specified WHO has been ruled out.

 

[Calliope]

(respectfully snipped and bbm).

Sometimes more is revealed by what is not said rather than what is. LE has yet to name a POI, nor have they indicated that ANYONE has been ruled out. That in itself is very telling, imo.

I wonder if the fact that Desirees husband is a member of LE has any bearing on what/when information is shared with the family. I am surprised that Tony Young was so forthcoming about the conversations he had with immediate family shortly after Kyrons disappearance and in the early hours of the investigation. In the hands of the right attorney, his actions could be taken as obstruction and interfering with a witness.


So back to topic ........

I would meet with Tony Young first before anything. I would make it very clear to him that he is NOT to prep anyone prior to questioning. He is not to discuss LE interview techniques or details surrounding the administration of polygraphs. He would be subject to the same expectations of any member of LE in respect to confidentiality during an investigation but would be treated by LE as any other family member - privy to no more info than anyone else.

I'm sure it was done to be helpful and relieve some stress, but you make an excellent point.

 

[mmmagique]

Thanks for finding that, i.b.nora!

Seeing it explains why the statement went unchallenged by the press. These were written answers to written questions, so there wasn't an opportunity for follow-up questions.

Considering the way some of the reporters have conducted themselves, we have little reason to believe they'd know which questions to ask, and even if they DID somehow ask the right questions, they'd probably interrupt at a crucial time to discuss fashion or some such.

*lol*

JK, kind of. But when that lady reporter interrupted Kaine's answer a few weeks ago, I wanted to brain her!

 

[debs]

http://theportlander.com/2010/07/23...on-horman-case-acknowledge-criminal-behavior/

Investigators Answer Questions in Kyron Horman Case, Acknowledge Criminal Behavior

Posted by Staff Writer on Jul 23rd, 2010

The Multnomah County Sheriff’s Department, the lead investigative agency in the Kyron Horman case, recently allowed the media to submit questions via email, regarding the investigation. Today, the sheriff’s department released selected questions with detailed answers.

Below is their release from today, unedited and in it’s entirety:

Has anyone been ruled out in Kyron’s disappearance? Who?

A number of people have been ruled out; we are unable to discuss the specifics of these individuals.

Well well well.

 

[craftybatchy]

I wonder if LE is keeping the knowledge of whom has been ruled out from those same people themselves ie. *You have been ruled out but we still do not want you to know that*.

 

[liz b.]

I wonder if LE is keeping the knowledge of whom has been ruled out from those same people themselves ie. *You have been ruled out but we still do not want you to know that*.

Would the only people to be cleared be those people with verified alibis ?


All JMO

 

[debs]

Would the only people to be cleared be those people with verified alibis ?


All JMO

What would verified be? Being seen by other people? Having time-stamped verification of being where one says one is?

 

[Aedrys]

Would the only people to be cleared be those people with verified alibis ?


All JMO

I would think so. Only those who don't have airtight alibis (riding around with an achy baby for 90 minutes just doesn't cover it. Being somewhere on a farm and in an unverified class doesn't cut it) have probably not been ruled out.