IL - Child, 9, charged in fire deaths of 5 people, Goodfield, 6 Apr 2019

[rosesfromangels]

There is going to be much more to this story. Much.

 

[cherrymeg]

I agree. I think it's true that almost all psychopaths were abused or experienced trauma of some sort but most kids who were abused absolutely do not become psychopaths or sociopathic.

I agree though with @mickey2942 that kids who act out in a violent manner usually come from intense dysfunction.

Kids internalize things too. From what I saw the stepdad do to a baby I have no sympathy for that man.

 

[gitana1]

Mom of 9-year-old charged in deadly fire breaks her silence

Oh... i just can't with the Mother. I must sit on my hands.

"I stood at the window and I told my kids I was sorry I couldn't save them. Mommy was right here and I loved them. You know, so, at least hopefully they heard that. I told Jason I loved him... And then something told me that they're gone," Alwood said.

I don't know about you all but I'm breaking down that damn window and killing myself to save my babies. And please I know that adding oxygen increases fuel but I think you all know what I mean. A mama is going to get in there unless she's being pinned.

 

[LietKynes]

There is going to be much more to this story. Much.

Ita.

The first article I'd read said that the stepdad ran aback into the home to rescue the toddlers.
After ushering the mom to safety.

Another article states the rest of the family were asleep.
But if they were asleep-- how did the boyfriend 'usher' her out of the trailer ?

Her story is changing and I'm starting to wonder if Kyle did anything other than his mom telling him to run out of the house ?
I'd read that he went to the neighbors'.

 

[gitana1]

Per step-father's relative, the boy was jealous of the younger siblings. Wasn't also the best behaved child either.

"For instance, she says, he sometimes treated his mother badly, even biting her. This happened even after the couple moved out with the boy and eventually had two children together. The cause, she says, sometimes seemed to be jealousy, after the births of his half siblings."

Luciano: Brother of Goodfield fire victim wishes 9-year-old could be imprisoned

He says his brother was raising the boy like he was his own son. Well we saw how he was raising his own flesh and blood babies.

 

[borndem]

Is it cold enough there to have a furnace on already?

bbm
Good question -- it was also one of my questions since the beginning -- I just checked the current temperature in Peoria, IL, and it is 67 degrees. I would assume that in April, it would have been a bit higher than in October, but I don't live anywhere near there.
Has the furnace been named as the source of the fire? If so, would the investigator be able to distinguish between a faulty furnace and furnace-tampering?
Has a report of the details of the fire investigation been made public? I haven't seen one or heard any details. If not, I guess it won't be published until the trial, if there is one.
Something made LE charge this boy with 1st Degree Murder.

This case is so, so different, IMO, from what I am accustomed to seeing here. An 8 y/o responsible for killing 5 people, and then later charged with 1st Murder x 5. Damm. SMH

 

[gitana1]

What a horrific tragedy.
The mother states the boy has profound mental illness. He has certainly proven he is a threat to society. I am unclear as to what the state could/would do to insure the public is safe once his five year probation is over. Given the extent of the mental disability his mother described and severity of his crime, it seems the state should appoint someone to monitor and his threat status, and make recommendations to the court system.

Amateur opinion and speculation

Mom could have him voluntarily committed. But the state would have to agree to pay for it. Kid needs major help. More than "counseling" IMO.

 

[jjenny]

Mom could have him voluntarily committed. But the state would have to agree to pay for it. Kid needs major help. More than "counseling" IMO.

Can you really commit a 9 year old? Right now he is living with a relative somewhere.

 

[gitana1]

Oh who knows. The 2 year old might not be toilet trained yet, maybe she needed an extra bath.

Yeah that's the least of my concerns with this horrible case.

 

[gitana1]

Can you really commit a 9 year old? Right now he is living with a relative somewhere.

Yes. Children can be and are hospitalized in this country for mental health issues.

They can also be sent to rehabilitative facilities.

 

[jjenny]

Per the article, Kyle's neighbors were his grandparents. Per the same article, several people (the mother and her mother, and possibly other neighbors) saw stepdad going back into the house to save the children. So if that's accurate, obliviously he wasn't sleeping at the time.

 

[katydid23]

Most toddlers even the more hyperactive ones are asleep by then.
I thought that was weird.

The only logical reason I could come up with is if the 2 yr old had been sleeping for awhile already, and maybe had a very dirty diaper, or threw up in her sleep or something. When things like that happen with a toddler, it is easier to draw a bath and clean them that way.

 

[jjenny]

Yes. Children can be and are hospitalized in this country for mental health issues.

They can also be sent to rehabilitative facilities.

Well, if he actually has all these conditions, it sure sounds like he should be in a mental hospital somewhere, rather than living with some relative.

 

[borndem]

Agree- Good post.
I used to have a family that lived near me who
had two adopted children, girl and boy.
The young boy would get whipped/beaten whenever the father was around. We heard his
screams all the time. The boy started huffing
from aerosol cans in the woods nearby and
then he started setting fires. I spoke to another neighbor who lived closer to the family and
suggested we notify authorities of possible
abuse. She wouldn't get involved because she
was afraid of the father. She said she had to live there and didn't want retaliation.
I called the authorities but it was anonymously
so I never heard if anything was done.
I always thought the boy's acting out was due
to the abuse he received at home.

I would agree -- children in any type family have limited control over things at home, simply because they are young and inexperienced and need supervision, guidance, love, etc.
Abused children have an added problem when they can't depend on a day without fear and pain. Some children try to control their situation by acting out at school, breaking or stealing things, by hurting others, running away, etc. Some try to remove what is hurting. Is that what this child did? Was he just trying to scare someone? Will we ever know?

 

[katydid23]

I'm thinking he lit the place on fire and the fire hit the furnace?

I am trying to figure out WHERE the boy could have started the fire. Mom says that she was in her room, getting ready to take as bath, when she smelled something like chemicals in the air.
She went out to the hallway and saw her fiancé', who was also looking for the source of the smell. They were standing by the furnace, outside Grandma's room, when the furnace supposedly blew up in flames, knocking her down.

So where was the boy, and where did the fire start? I am wondering if he set it outside or underneath?


Luciano: Mom recalls Goodfield inferno that killed five loved ones - News - Journal Star - Peoria, IL

 

[mickey2942]

Yeah that's the least of my concerns with this horrible case.

I agree. This child may do much better in a different environment.

I remember a meeting once with a parent, we were going to discuss the child's behavioral problems. After the meeting with the Mother, we thought that kid was actually doing quite well, considering...

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Unlike her sister, Samantha wants her nephew,”?”, to face a strict punishment.

"I think he should go somewhere until he's legal age to go to juvie. Then I think he should go to juvie. And then from juvie to prison. Because at the end of the day, whether he meant to or not, he knew what fire did," Samantha said.
Mother of 9-year-old charged with setting house fire that killed 5: He's not a "monster"

 

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[LietKynes]

The only logical reason I could come up with is if the 2 yr old had been sleeping for awhile already, and maybe had a very dirty diaper, or threw up in her sleep or something. When things like that happen with a toddler, it is easier to draw a bath and clean them that way.

Agreed on that.
But, you don't have to take a bath with them , that's my point.
Just give them a bath and wash their hair if needed.

If there's time to get dressed , then there's time to rescue your babies and alert grandma.
This family seemed very dysfunctional and the story is hinky; imo.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

At first they didn't all show up for me either. Then it said 'download all' option and I clicked, then a bunch more came up.

One Picture is Worth a Thousand Words. Extrapolate.
How many words speak for this boy?