IL - Child, 9, charged in fire deaths of 5 people, Goodfield, 6 Apr 2019

[Safeguard]

Yes, I’m the US a child with disabilities can receive payment from the government. BUT, the government takes in consideration the parents income. If you make more than $X your child will not qualify (despite disability) for payment until they turn 18. I’m not sure of this family’s income to know if they would have qualified or not.

Understanding SSI - SSI for Children

There were no working adults in the home. I'm gonna take a guess that they most likely qualified.

In fact, I feel pretty confident in "guessing" mom is going to be seriously distraught over the new low amount of her SNAP (Food stamps) allocation.

 

[Kakidoll]

According to her own posts, Mom has been in psych ward now twice (but then she does change 'dates' a lot) for suicide attempts....but it hasn't kept her off FB. She also states she has NEVER had a job, did not graduate HS and has only been a 'mom' for 9 years (so she was 17 or 18), and JW 'quit' his job to be a stay at home dad. The why's and how's of this just totally make me SMH. I fight my you know what off to keep working so i DON"T ever have to live off of the govt. so it just shocks me that people TRY to find more ways to do it. I just won't ever understand that mindset. I wonder where Rose's mother is now. She seems to have distanced herself from the family (which is probably good) and it looks like it may be another sister that is away from it all. As for the paternity of Rose, from SM it is either a 'now' trans young person that is Bio but wasn't around (and KA wants them to stop claiming Rose) and JW was 'playing' dad or with this family, maybe IS bio dad.. I'm sure the background is deep with this group.

 

[jjenny]

There were no working adults in the home. I'm gonna take a guess that they most likely qualified.

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Well, per the earlier article, mom didn't work and was stay at home mom (since she had her first child) and father quit his job to spend more time with the kids because of their disabilities. So yes, they would have qualified since neither was working.

 

[jjenny]

Yes, I’m the US a child with disabilities can receive payment from the government. BUT, the government takes in consideration the parents income. If you make more than $X your child will not qualify (despite disability) for payment until they turn 18. I’m not sure of this family’s income to know if they would have qualified or not.

Understanding SSI - SSI for Children

Well, once dad quit his job, neither parent was working. So I fail to see how they wouldn't have qualified.

 

[katydid23]

? Does anyone have an understanding of why Jason was standing near the furnace when mom ran to him after smoke alarm alert?

IF it is true, I can see why he would be looking at the furnace. She said she smelled a funny chemical smelll...I'd be looking at the furnace or the stove in that circumstance too.

Although the smarter thing would have been to run and grab the babies and wake up Grandmother...

 

[katydid23]

The average age for an autism diagnosis in the US is 4 years old. 13 DCFS investigations yet mom is so attentive to her 2 year old's milestones and sensory reactions she already has him diagnosed with autism? Call me skeptical.

Hunting for Autism's Earliest Clues | Autism Speaks

I was wondering the same thing. Although my neighbour's toddler was diagnosed with autism very early. He was barely 2 and a half. It was a severe case though---very noticeable.

 

[jjenny]

I was wondering the same thing. Although my neighbour's toddler was diagnosed with autism very early. He was barely 2 and a half. It was a severe case though---very noticeable.

Yea, autism is not a single disease but a spectrum of diseases. Some barely noticeable, and some severe. So it's not impossible for the 2 year old to have been diagnosed, if his was a severe case.

 

[Alethea]

I was wondering the same thing. Although my neighbour's toddler was diagnosed with autism very early. He was barely 2 and a half. It was a severe case though---very noticeable.

Researchers are pushing for more and earlier intervention due to the benefits that support and therapy can have, and I think it’s great that attentive parents are noticing subtle changes. But at age 2 the symptoms are going to be subtle even in “severe” cases because of the range of normal behavior for a 2 year old. I’m sure we all know kids who were very slow to speak or reach developmental milestones but eventually had no problems as older children or adults.

That’s why I’m skeptical. Is someone who is abusing and/or neglecting their children really going to notice if a baby doesn’t appropriately look to it’s mother’s face for comfort when in a new situation? Would an abused or neglected child respond in the same way as an ordinary child anyway?

Once you get to an age where 99% of kids that age are speaking and engaging with their peers, it becomes easier to see and diagnose differences. I thought the article I posted yesterday had great information from a developmental psychologist about the things to look for in very young children - they were all subtle.

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Luciano: Mom recalls Goodfield inferno that killed five loved ones

 

[imstilla.grandma]

*This video preceded the gag order within hours.
In your opinions?: What specific statements triggered the attorney to request a gag order?
Mother Of 9-Year-Old Charged With Setting House Fire That Killed 5: He's Not A 'Monster'

 

[human]

Researchers are pushing for more and earlier intervention due to the benefits that support and therapy can have, and I think it’s great that attentive parents are noticing subtle changes. But at age 2 the symptoms are going to be subtle even in “severe” cases because of the range of normal behavior for a 2 year old. I’m sure we all know kids who were very slow to speak or reach developmental milestones but eventually had no problems as older children or adults.

That’s why I’m skeptical. Is someone who is abusing and/or neglecting their children really going to notice if a baby doesn’t appropriately look to it’s mother’s face for comfort when in a new situation? Would an abused or neglected child respond in the same way as an ordinary child anyway?

Once you get to an age where 99% of kids that age are speaking and engaging with their peers, it becomes easier to see and diagnose differences. I thought the article I posted yesterday had great information from a developmental psychologist about the things to look for in very young children - they were all subtle.

The more severe issues are rocking, hand movements, cannot stand being touched, head banging , distress at loud noise, meltdowns at change in a room such as wven one object being moved.

There is nothing subtle about it

 

[imstilla.grandma]

What parent would allow their minor child accused of murder to be identified and his photos plastered everywhere? That’s crazy. She says he had to move due to death threats and yet she’s letting the entire nation know who he is and what he looks like?

How does that enable this kid to overcome whatever happened in his life and brain to lead to this horror and to heal and rehabilitate?

his case is weird.

Hinging on disparagingly weird.

 

[jjenny]

The more severe issues are rocking, hand movements, cannot stand being touched, head banging , distress at loud noise, meltdowns at change in a room such as wven one object being moved.

There is nothing subtle about it

Yep, it could have been really obvious if the child had severe autism.
"Autism usually appears before a child is 3 years old. Some signs of autism may be evident as early as 10 to 12 months, and certainly by 18 months."
https://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/children-with-autism-coping-skills-for-parents#3

 

[imstilla.grandma]

Gah. This breaks my heart. I’m not an attorney so I could be completely wrong but I have a hard time believing there will be a conviction. I don’t know how anyone could prove intent with a 9 year old. We know so much about adolescent brain development and there is so much research that will tell you at 9, a child doesn’t understand and doesn’t set a fire with the intent to kill someone at least in the eyes of the justice system.

What I cannot wrap my brain around is the expected outcomes. Even if found guilty of murder, he will be put on probation. He won’t be detained, won’t be arrested, he will be PUT.ON.PROBATION. And likely be given therapy. Why don’t we skip the bench trial and probation and give him therapy.

Full disclosure, I work in the Juvenile Justice and Child Welfare System so my feelings for this are STRONG.

I’m eagerly awaiting the outcome of this...

Please share your expertise on the other thread as a valuable asset. @MommyStephV
IL - 9 y.o. charged in fire deaths of 5 people, Goodfield, 6 Apr 2019

 

[katydid23]

Researchers are pushing for more and earlier intervention due to the benefits that support and therapy can have, and I think it’s great that attentive parents are noticing subtle changes. But at age 2 the symptoms are going to be subtle even in “severe” cases because of the range of normal behavior for a 2 year old. I’m sure we all know kids who were very slow to speak or reach developmental milestones but eventually had no problems as older children or adults.

That’s why I’m skeptical. Is someone who is abusing and/or neglecting their children really going to notice if a baby doesn’t appropriately look to it’s mother’s face for comfort when in a new situation? Would an abused or neglected child respond in the same way as an ordinary child anyway?

Once you get to an age where 99% of kids that age are speaking and engaging with their peers, it becomes easier to see and diagnose differences. I thought the article I posted yesterday had great information from a developmental psychologist about the things to look for in very young children - they were all subtle.

My neighbour's child had some obvious signs, more than just being slow to speak. He rarely made any kind of eye contact, or responses of any kind. But he did get kind of mesmerised by lights or sounds, and would respond to a tv screen or the ceiling fan. But no interest in words, or even touch. He rejected much touching or holding to the point of having long tantrums if held or carried for any length of time.

It was pretty obvious, and even a bump on a log, like in this case, would have noticed something was not right.

Also, I have a feeling that some kind of government agency might have been keeping an eye on the children as well, in exchange for any governmental benefits in play.

For example, medi-cal beneficiaries have to comply with certain guidelines with newborns. Mandated check ups, etc.
JMO

 

[mickey2942]

Children identified as "disabled" get services from state programs, usually "Parent Infant Program", they get an Individualized Family Support Plan, IFSP, until age 6, then transition to an Individualized Education Plan, IEP.

Parents do not have to participate in an IFSP plan in order to receive benefits. It sounds like they were involved with some program, who kept referring the family to CPS.

 

[katydid23]

Researchers are pushing for more and earlier intervention due to the benefits that support and therapy can have, and I think it’s great that attentive parents are noticing subtle changes. But at age 2 the symptoms are going to be subtle even in “severe” cases because of the range of normal behavior for a 2 year old. I’m sure we all know kids who were very slow to speak or reach developmental milestones but eventually had no problems as older children or adults.

That’s why I’m skeptical. Is someone who is abusing and/or neglecting their children really going to notice if a baby doesn’t appropriately look to it’s mother’s face for comfort when in a new situation? Would an abused or neglected child respond in the same way as an ordinary child anyway?

Once you get to an age where 99% of kids that age are speaking and engaging with their peers, it becomes easier to see and diagnose differences. I thought the article I posted yesterday had great information from a developmental psychologist about the things to look for in very young children - they were all subtle.

I don't think all of the signs are subtle. If a 2 yr old loudly protests anytime a family member tries to hold or touch them, resists physical contact, refuses to engage, and prefers to sit alone, looking at the ceiling fan for hours, that is more than subtle.

 

[mickey2942]

I don't think all of the signs are subtle. If a 2 yr old loudly protests anytime a family member tries to hold or touch them, resists physical contact, refuses to engage, and prefers to sit alone, looking at the ceiling fan for hours, that is more than subtle.

Agreed. Usually Autistic children are referred for assessment because parents think that they have hearing loss or vision problems. That being said, Autism is not that common. People just prefer that terminology over "Developmentally Delayed" or "Mentally Disabled".

I have been at meetings with parents and psychologists, where literally parents yell and scream that their child is "Autistic", and will not accept any other diagnosis. Many psychologists just acquiesce.

 

[claudicici]

I just saw all the little videos and oh my god what a horror show This boy grew up in such a surreal environment like someone else said void of any emotional or intellectual stimulation It's like zombie like parenting and this kid skips around that environment just trying to make sense of things and trying to entertain himself.
I really could somehow understand if he did hate his siblings but it didn't seem to be the case they were all ignored and abused to an extend
In the video where she accuses him of taping his brother naked she called him a "nasty " and the thunder "***" video he seems to scream out for attention and dad is literally standing there staring at the fridge for over 5 minutes
Something is so fishy about mom's recollection of events She went to bathe with Rose at 11PM? She stood outside and told her children she loved them? Didn't run back inside ,didn't try to save them, assumed they were dead before she knew it as a fact? How did she get dressed and make it out when she barely seemed to get off the couch?
The whole Rosie thing is so strange as well....becoming one with Jason? And she seems to mourn this baby more than her own...Kyle's memorial video is about Rosie too
It wouldn't surprise me if he did do it to get YouTube subscribers but I also think Mom knew about it. In no way does he understand what he actually did IMO I feel like he is a bright kid and could have had a lot of potential if he would have been raised in a different environment All these things mom claims that are wrong with him I don't buy she seems to be the one with severe issues I'm so shocked they would charge him as an adult

 

[Safeguard]

I feel like he is a bright kid and could have had a lot of potential if he would have been raised in a different environment All these things mom claims that are wrong with him I don't buy she seems to be the one with severe issues

Yes to to your whole post. But the Snipped quote in particular.

Gut feeling is this boy is an extremely bright child who is running on anxiety and confusion in a very chaotic, and severely neglectful of age appropriate boundaries, environment.

There seems to be nothing even approaching consideration for what goes on, is discussed, or done in front of these youngsters. They seem to exist to fulfill the needs of the adults and they were very poorly cared for in regards to their own needs.

Absolutely tragic.