IL IL - Debbie Fijan, 10, DuPage County, 11 Feb 1966 - #1
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The only obit entry I've found that comes close was the one I posted for Edward Macek, with (I'm assuming) a son Richard, from Feb 3rd. Its a pay to view from the Chicago area and the Google blurb is fairly garbled. I couldn't find the obit on other sites like Obituary.com but I suppse we could check SSA death records or Ancestry.com.
I'm hoping either Jack or Lisa can answer this question for me.
Out of curiosity, was Debbie small for her age or was she tall and looked older than her age? I was 5'2" already at 10 and always guessed as older than my age....
I'm just curious if Debbie looked older than her age. I'm don't want to imply she dressed older, just curious if she was a taller child she might have easily been mistaken as older, possibly a teenager.
Thank you and know I am keeping you both in my prayers! As well as the rest of Debbies family and the detectives taking another look at her case.
ETA: I'm sorry Jack, it was very rude of me not to first ask if I can address you by your first name since you posted it twice. May I do that or would you prefer I address you by your user name? Thanks.
Out of curiosity, was Debbie small for her age or was she tall and looked older than her age? I was 5'2" already at 10 and always guessed as older than my age....
I'm just curious if Debbie looked older than her age. I'm don't want to imply she dressed older, just curious if she was a taller child she might have easily been mistaken as older, possibly a teenager.
Thank you and know I am keeping you both in my prayers! As well as the rest of Debbies family and the detectives taking another look at her case.
ETA: I'm sorry Jack, it was very rude of me not to first ask if I can address you by your first name since you posted it twice. May I do that or would you prefer I address you by your user name? Thanks.
Thanks. Abbey5 has an ancestry membership. Hopefully she can see if she can find anything on this Edward Macek at ancestry. I couldn't find much with a quick search and I am not a member...
can you post the link to the garbled obit from the ptv article? I will see what I can find at SSDI too. I wonder if this Edward had a residence of Elmwood Park.
Found the snippet for Edward Macek Sr's obit at the Chicago Tribune.
Obituary 3 -- No Title
[SIZE=-1]Pay-Per-View - Chicago Tribune - ProQuest Archiver[SIZE=-1] - Feb 7, 1966[/SIZE]
[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Edwtard A. Macek, Feb. 4, beloved hus.- of Juanita, nee Rock; dear latt ro. of Edwatd Jr. and Richard; dear son of Marle and the late Edward Sr.; ... [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Related web pages[/SIZE]
Oddly, there is another Edward Macek who also died in February of 1966. Social Security Death Index lists this other Edward Macek having a last address in Kansas and an issuance of his SS card in Kansas.
I believe the above Edwtard A. Macek, who died on February 4th 1966 is our Richard's father.... we'll have to verify the siblings of ROM... but I think this is him.
Interestingly, more typo's in these archived articles as shown above spelling Edward as Edwtard. The social security death index ALSO misspells his first name as Edwadd. That is probably why we had a difficult time finding the correct EM.
According to the SSDI this EM had a dob of 10-25-1913, which coincides with being the right age to have a child born in 1947 or 1948. No last residence but his SS was issued in IL.
Two other Edward Maceks born in Illinois and died February 1966 both have 1800's DOB, 1891 and 1889. I think the birth years alone would rule them out as being ROM's father.
hth
Obituary 3 -- No Title
[SIZE=-1]Pay-Per-View - Chicago Tribune - ProQuest Archiver[SIZE=-1] - Feb 7, 1966[/SIZE]
[/SIZE][SIZE=-1]Edwtard A. Macek, Feb. 4, beloved hus.- of Juanita, nee Rock; dear latt ro. of Edwatd Jr. and Richard; dear son of Marle and the late Edward Sr.; ... [/SIZE]
[SIZE=-1]Related web pages[/SIZE]
Oddly, there is another Edward Macek who also died in February of 1966. Social Security Death Index lists this other Edward Macek having a last address in Kansas and an issuance of his SS card in Kansas.
I believe the above Edwtard A. Macek, who died on February 4th 1966 is our Richard's father.... we'll have to verify the siblings of ROM... but I think this is him.
Interestingly, more typo's in these archived articles as shown above spelling Edward as Edwtard. The social security death index ALSO misspells his first name as Edwadd. That is probably why we had a difficult time finding the correct EM.
According to the SSDI this EM had a dob of 10-25-1913, which coincides with being the right age to have a child born in 1947 or 1948. No last residence but his SS was issued in IL.
Two other Edward Maceks born in Illinois and died February 1966 both have 1800's DOB, 1891 and 1889. I think the birth years alone would rule them out as being ROM's father.
hth
An interesting tidbit.
Shadow posted:
Richard Otto Maceks father is listed as having died on February 4, 1966.
The 4th was a Friday.
Debbies murder occured February 11, 1966.
Also a Friday and the Friday following the death of ROM's father.
Maybe a coincidence, maybe not......
Shadow posted:
Richard Otto Maceks father is listed as having died on February 4, 1966.
The 4th was a Friday.
Debbies murder occured February 11, 1966.
Also a Friday and the Friday following the death of ROM's father.
Maybe a coincidence, maybe not......
I found adress history listed for ROMs mother in Schaumburg and McHenry IL.
Both in the vicinity of Debbies murder.
There is another Macek family with a similiar name in Antioch, Il., also a Chicago Suburb.
This family is NOT related to the ROM family, or was not part of ROM's immediate family.
Both in the vicinity of Debbies murder.
There is another Macek family with a similiar name in Antioch, Il., also a Chicago Suburb.
This family is NOT related to the ROM family, or was not part of ROM's immediate family.
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Great job fleshing this info out. I have to wonder when the funeral actually was. If it were toward the end of the week, that certainly would be the 'stressor' to set Macek off.
Could be a stressor Shadow.
I went back and reread the previously linked (?) article out of Wisconsin regarding ROM hanging himself.
Several of his murders are listed in this article.
Just in case it wasn't previously linked, here it is again:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...J&pg=6938,2069687&dq=richard+otto+macek&hl=en
Here is a quick timeline
Sally Carol Stream, IL: Sept 13, 1972
Maid at the Abbey Resort, WI : Aug 15, 1974
Maid at Wauwatosa Motel, WI : Oct 14, 1974
Attempted murder 20 yr old Woodstock, IL : July, 1975 (coin laundrymat)
Crystal lake IL mother and daughter need to find date.
(Woodstock, Crystal Lake and McHenry are all in the same general area)
These crimes, at least the ones he was convicted of, begin in 1972.
Outside of the one mention of a stabbing in 1968, I can't find anything between 1966 and 1972.
I'd like to know what the author meant by his rampage began in 1966.
I'd like to know the dates he was incarcerated for the 68 stabbing
and I would like to know of any arrests or dates of incarceration prior to 1968.
I went back and reread the previously linked (?) article out of Wisconsin regarding ROM hanging himself.
Several of his murders are listed in this article.
Just in case it wasn't previously linked, here it is again:
http://news.google.com/newspapers?i...J&pg=6938,2069687&dq=richard+otto+macek&hl=en
Here is a quick timeline
Sally Carol Stream, IL: Sept 13, 1972
Maid at the Abbey Resort, WI : Aug 15, 1974
Maid at Wauwatosa Motel, WI : Oct 14, 1974
Attempted murder 20 yr old Woodstock, IL : July, 1975 (coin laundrymat)
Crystal lake IL mother and daughter need to find date.
(Woodstock, Crystal Lake and McHenry are all in the same general area)
These crimes, at least the ones he was convicted of, begin in 1972.
Outside of the one mention of a stabbing in 1968, I can't find anything between 1966 and 1972.
I'd like to know what the author meant by his rampage began in 1966.
I'd like to know the dates he was incarcerated for the 68 stabbing
and I would like to know of any arrests or dates of incarceration prior to 1968.
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I found an article from Sept 10, 1974, which reports the murder of Nancy Lossman and her daughter. (pay to view, of course).
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/chicagotribune/access/607751062.html?dids=607751062:607751062&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:AI&type=historic&date=Sep+10%2C+1974&author=&pub=Chicago+Tribune&desc=Mother%2C+girl+found+slain+in+burning+flat&pqatl=google
The book states that began beating women, among other things, in 1966. Unfortunately its very vague about details.
http://pqasb.pqarchiver.com/chicagotribune/access/607751062.html?dids=607751062:607751062&FMT=ABS&FMTS=ABS:AI&type=historic&date=Sep+10%2C+1974&author=&pub=Chicago+Tribune&desc=Mother%2C+girl+found+slain+in+burning+flat&pqatl=google
The book states that began beating women, among other things, in 1966. Unfortunately its very vague about details.
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Macek is quoted as saying "I can't tell if people are alive or dead unless they stop fighting me". He seemed to have purposely blurred the line between life and death in his victims, as though he had control over both. It's speculated that he engaged in necrophilia with his later victims as a way of "instilling' life into them again.
Intriguing, in light of that fact that the coroner believed Debbie may have been alive for some time after she left by the roadside. Not realizing she was still alive, ignoring the fact, or thinking that he himself had returned her to life after killing her would be in line with the profiler's insights into Macek's psyche. And, given the recent death of his father, Macek may have been even more frustrated that he couldn't control life or death in his father's case (his father had been hospitalized prior to his dying).
My two cents worth.
Intriguing, in light of that fact that the coroner believed Debbie may have been alive for some time after she left by the roadside. Not realizing she was still alive, ignoring the fact, or thinking that he himself had returned her to life after killing her would be in line with the profiler's insights into Macek's psyche. And, given the recent death of his father, Macek may have been even more frustrated that he couldn't control life or death in his father's case (his father had been hospitalized prior to his dying).
My two cents worth.
Oddly enough, I couldn't find an obit for Edward Macek at ancestry. But I did find a 1920 census that matches up with the obit that Cubby posted. They resided in Chicago Ward 21.
Edward 34
Marie 34
Otto 11
Edward 6
And a marriage lic. issued to Edward Marek on 4/06/36 in Cook County, IL. Wife Juanita Rock.
I do think the SSDI with the dob of 10/24/13, is the correct one.
The Obit for the Edward Macek in Kansas said he was a lifelong resident.
I have a new abbv. PITAPTV
I can't recall another case here at WS we've had to deal with so many pay-to-view articles. :banghead:
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Here's an interesting article on profiler Dr Helen Morrison. Its mentioned in this article (as well as the book) that ROM was married and had 3 children.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/rugby_union/article420567.ece
BBM, as this stood out to me. However the following thoughts occured to me after reading your entire post Shadow. With regards to emotions ROM dealt with surrounding his attempts to and lack of ability to control life and death, I wonder if that is why he chose to slit his victims eyelids. It is almost as if he did so because he would be 'instilling" life back into them if he were able to open their eyes so they could see? Especially since in death our eyelids are closed for us. It just struck me as something he might have done to try and believe they could come back to life kind of thing. Hard to put it into words, but slitting the eyelids sounds like something he did to open their eyes.
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That's a very good theory, and certainly makes sense in the given context. It's stated (in the book, I believe) that in at least one case the slits were 2cm long. This would indicate (to me at least) that the slits were horizontal, not vertical. Considering that, your theory fits even better with what we know. The only difference between slitting the eyelids and stabbing the eyes is the depth of penetration....
If any of the "social networking" gurus reading this can assist me in finding contact info for Dr. Helen Morrison, author of My Life Among the Serial Killers, please feel free to do so.
Long but interesting article about Dr. Morrison. Some info regarding Macek in the article also.
http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/true-crime/Content?oid=915674
http://www.chicagoreader.com/chicago/true-crime/Content?oid=915674
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