Hi, Im extremely familiar with the area, and Ive been following along through both threads.
The patch of land that is still farm land is a cornfield, I believe. It may very well belong to Carol Stream, they have a series of properties along lies, or it may currently belong to Corpus Christie Church, considering its right next to it. Im leaning more towards it belonging to the village. The land doesnt contain any sort of sign that signifies the land as being available to purchase.
It looks like at the time of Debbies murder, Cloverdale was a farming community between Carol Stream & Bloomingdale. It used to encompass most of the towns in the area from Glendale Heights to Bartlett. As time went on, it became smaller and part of Unincorporated Bloomingdale. Now all thats left of Cloverdale is the section on Army Trail.
In a previous article, it stated that LSs father lived on Fair Oaks, and that he refused to allow his home to be searched even though the area that the body was found was visible from his home ,IIRC. Could it be possible that his father knew about his thoughts towards Debbie/the students, and was trying to attempt to save him from himself? Was there a barn on the farm? I think I saw that Debbie had moved herself to the ditch rather than be placed there. If that is the case, It's more likely that she was on JS's property during the stabbing. Her coat would have been off there because she was probably very familiar with the house, considering LS had only moved out recently.
Its possible that the wife & Debbie had the same shoe size. When I was ten I was wearing the same size shoe as my mother (7 ½.) It was previously said that she was tall for her age(IIRC) if she was in fact taller, she would have a shoe size more comparable to a grown woman.
I remember seeing that the tracks went from the swing set to St. Charles Road
it is possible she was taken to Klein Road from the school? Im only guessing here based on the proximity & how short of a trip it would have been for her mother to pick her up. Presumably, that road wouldnt be extensively searched for evidence because it didnt fall in the general location between the school and the location she was found. Perhaps she was stabbed in one of the wooded areas close to Klein? It still wouldnt be too far off from where she was found.
As for the whole Catholic/Priest abuse angle; in catholic dictionaries from the time, masturbation was defined as self pollution if he had a persisting
problem, that could be something to do with it. Its also likely that if LS was abused, it wasnt reported. Most males dont report sexual abuse when they are the victim because personal appearances. Considering that he clearly follows the command of others, it was recognized that this might bring disgrace to his family, IMO.
If ROM had known AV, is it possible that Debbie would have known him from the parties? Have we figured out where ROMs local relative was? Is it possible that they were located on the same block as the family? It might be a stretch, but if WB was from Elmhurst, Its possible that ROM had known him especially if they were both prone to trouble with the law. If ROM had family that lived on Wynn & he was staying with them its plausible that ROM would be considered a neighbor.
Another thing to possibly be considered: Glenbard North was opened in 1968, Im not fully sure as to when construction began
but could she have also been killed by a construction worker?
Roger LaRosa brings up a very good point about it possibly taking two people to do it. If Mrs. LS was so concerned about LS keeping his timeline straight, is it possible that she assisted in the murder? I recall an article saying that it was consistent with a woman, and another one with a detective saying two people could be involved. She could have been jealous of the bond between LS and Debbie combined with Debbie and the baby. A lot of new mothers also tend to get jealous when they were once a main fixture for attention, and now it goes to someone else. IMO, it could possibly be a hint of post-partum depression, but instead of inflicting harm on her baby it went towards a person nabbing her attention away from her.
Currently, that particular area doesnt flood very much. Most of the ditches are deep enough to hold the water. However, it might have been a different story back when it was all farm land, but somehow Im doubting this. The area was probably irrigated to make the land suitable for farming. Ive also looked into it, and the DuPage River, which flows just west of JSs property had a serious of dams already in place to keep flooding at a low. From what I was, most of them were built in the 1930s as a task for the CCC to do, and the last one Ive seen a date for was in 1953.
I saw the facebook page for Debbie, and Im wondering if one of the students in her 4th grade class might be a relative of LS
IMO, AV really didn't have much to do with the murder, he was just the one who found her. It's highly reasonable that he looked in another direction than the rest of the search group. Being about the same age as him right now, I would do the exact same thing.
I may be jumping the gun on some things, or they were covered and I wasnt paying close attention the entire time I was reading, but these are thoughts and answers to some questions I saw.
