IL - Kenneka Jenkins, 19, found dead in hotel freezer, Rosemont, 10 Sept 2017 #1

[tru2it4u]

https://www.acen.org/crowne-plaza-chicago-ohare-2018-room-block/

"On The Fly”, serving STARBUCKS coffee."

This explains the "mysterious" Starbucks Coffee in the Kitchen in the video surveillance.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[JaimeInLA]

The age limit to rent a room in that motel is 21. Also, what gets me, is that these "friends" had her phone, her car keys, and ultimately, her mother's car, and drive off and leave not knowing where KJ was at, but have the courtesy/s to call her mother, two hours after they'd noticed her missing. Awful sweet of them.

If someone took my car keys, that I'd given my daughter, and drove off in my vehicle, (and in possession of her phone), but w/o my daughter in the vehicle, and didn't feel it was serious enough to call me til they were leaving, two hours after last seeing her, until they're leaving, in her/my car, to tell me she's missing?! I'd be seriously considering charging them with car theft if I were able to do so under the law. :maddening: Especially under the circumstances.

I don't see why everyone is so mad at the hotel staff and LE. Her "friends" were obviously not very concerned. Is there any footage of them going up and down the halls of the motel in search of her? If that were my friend I'd be searching every floor. I'd not drive off in her mother's car.

She was 19 years old, she didn't have to stay in that room with those people if she didn't want to do so. Has anyone disclosed what KJ texted/spoke to her sister about at 1:30 a.m.? That might be good to know too.

To be clear, I am mad at all of them. [emoji23]

 

[rsd1200]

I've edited videos in AVID (industry standard), Final Cut, Adobe Premiere and have used Adobe After Effects for a lot of post processing work.

You are 100% inaccurate in almost everything you said as it relates to video editing.

If you wanted to make a claim that someone took parts out or used motion tracking rotoscoping then you might have an argument. But even evidence of those two things aren't present in the video clips released thus far.

But let's get to the crux of the matter...you seem to have a general misunderstanding of how video editing works. It's not magic. There aren't tools to do the things you are suggesting easily. It's the reason that big VFX shops will still charge $50,000 to rotoscope a 30 second clip. It's a frame by frame job and extremely hard to not leave behind artifacts. NLEs are not Photoshop. Even in the hands of pros. Second...GUI tools that are put there to help with UX such as a "copy and paste scissors box (or something)" or the marquee tool or any fancy Final Cut/Premiere/AfterEffects/Avid plugin that you will undoubtedly search for to respond to me wouldn't make it through to the final video. Whatever tool you may have worked with or seen in action uses "red boxes" as a visual aid to help you work effectively. None of that stuff would ever make it into the final encoded video as you're suggesting. Not in AVID, Premiere, After Effects, Vegas, Final Cut, iMovie, Lightworks....NOTHING.

However, the tracking boxes you speak of are extremely common in security systems (exactly the opposite of what you're suggesting). They can be turned off and on. The boxes are there to gain your attention to pixels that are actively changing. Or areas where infrared is being disturbed. It's a "HEY! Look at this area right here!" feature. Here's someone building in the same feature into a $50 DIY setup. Take a look at their sample GIFS. Their box is green but it's the same idea:
http://www.pyimagesearch.com/2015/05/25/basic-motion-detection-and-tracking-with-python-and-opencv/

The feature is common across professional security camera systems.

Lastly, you're attempting to claim that someone at the hotel is professional enough to alter the videos but dumb enough to leave in "obvious" evidence (which doesn't exist). You can't have it both way.

I just have to say, that I agree with you 100%. Been in tech and software for decades and it takes way more time, (and they'd have to have had someone on staff who could have done it and in that amount of time), than they'd have had to edit those tapes.

 

[JaimeInLA]

No it is not fact, but what are the odds that they were talking about something that SOUNDED like both topics (rape and freezers)?

Any suggestion as to what could have been said in that clip? What do you hear? I'm curious.

The hotel didn't release the footage for quite some time. Why not? There's a real possibility these videos have been edited (in fact it's obvious the videos released to the public have been edited at least for length, as a person doesn't just appear halfway down a hall- we don't always see her entering the frame).

Additionally, we do not know that she walks into the freezer as we don't see that part. We see her in a kitchen, yes, but who's to say there wasn't someone out of frame waiting for her? Who's to say that the video of her in the kitchen is moments before she enters the freezer?

MSM reports she was wondering around the hotel for an hour. It's possible she left the kitchen, ran into someone, and ends up in the freezer.

We don't have a lot of facts, and I do think we need to be careful of what we think are facts regarding the video. We are not seeing the full 36 hours of unedited video captured by surveillance. As of the time of the press conference, KJ's mom and her lawyers have not seen it either. Why not?

Something smells fishy indeed.

JMO



Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

We are seeing pieces of the video, you are correct. But the police examined 36 hours of video. She disappeared around 4 AM and was found around midnight. That means she was missing for approximately 20 hours. presumably they stopped watching the video of that area after her body was found. That means they watched 16 hours of footage before she even wandered into that area.

The police have also said that the only way to reach that freezer was the one way in that Kenneka took. There is no second entrance to that area that is off-camera.

Therefore, we do know that nobody carried her into the freezer. Unless somebody was waiting off-camera near the freezer for more than 16 hours just hoping that a girl would get drunk and wander into that area. It does not make any sense.

For there to have been foul play, and the videos to have been edited, the police would have to be in on some big conspiracy theory with the hotel. WHY!? The police are received the footage pretty shortly after the body was found. The public just didn't receive it for a week.

The way I see it, we can be 99% certain that she walked into that freezer on her own. Therefore, it is irrelevant what the teens discussed on the FB Live video.

 

[JaimeInLA]

You know what I think happened in terms of staff.

Its the middle of the night . Graveyard noone is paying attn to cameras

Mom comes up asks for tapes one of em goes back and starts viewing oh my god there is someone dragging a young woman around the hotel corridors

Understandably he or she freaks . They need to call higher up -- what do I do there is a guest being dragged against her will around our hotel

What would management say -- don't say or do anything I am sending bla bla over

The dialog about the freezer is crystal clear .

The yell for help I am not sure about that .

moo

So what is your theory? When was this person supposedly dragging her around the hallways? Before or after she was seen wandering by herself?

And then once the hotel staff realizes this, they quickly bring in a special effects video editor and pay thousands of dollars to alter their security footage while her body is still laying in the freezer undiscovered?

Once the body was found, they turned over the footage. There was no time for editing.

And why edit footage if you don't even know she is dead?

If you did see somebody carrying her around, why would you start editing security footage instead of going downstairs and trying to help her!?

You might think you hear a conversation about a freezer. But just as you say the security footage may have been edited, so may the audio on the Facebook live video. You can't trust those YouTube videos.

Occam's Razor -- keep it simple. We saw her wander intoxicated through the kitchen towards the freezer. Alone. Tragically, it is as simple as that.

 

[rsd1200]

To be clear, I am mad at all of them. [emoji23]

The hotel is a private company. They didn't have to turn over their video to a bunch of 19-20 somethings, or Mom. People who rent rooms there have a right to privacy, as did her daughter, up until it became clear that she'd actually gone missing. People of age are allowed to disappear. That's why LE won't put out a missing persons on folks who are 18 or older unless they are mentally impaired, or they are in obvious danger. LE won't even hold an underage runaway, who has committed no crime, for over two hours (that may have changed in the recent past to a longer time period) and won't actively look for them, other than a BOLO, nor do they put them on the Amber Alert.

KJ could have just as well opened the janitorial closet and passed out. Unfortunately she didn't. That time of night does not have a lot of staff and around the time that the mother came in was probably close to changing of the night shift to the day shift (around 5:30 am iirc). Did the friends even look for her? Mom gave her the car to go to a party at 11:30 at night. I'm not blaming her mother, her daughter was 19, and chose to go, and looks as if she chose to drink, but all of this seems as if it was just a perfect storm that night. No, I want to see video of her friends combing the halls of each floor looking for her instead of taking her mother's car and leaving. Leave no friend behind.

 

[katydid23]

I do not agree with this theory that the hotel employees immediately began editing the videos and trying to erase any perps seen around the victim. Why would they? They would know it would be impossible to pass it off as original footage and it is a serious CRIME to do so.

Why would some random employee put his own life on the line just to try and avoid a potential future lawsuit?

Not everything is a complicated, mysterious conspiracy. Sometimes drunk, incapacitated and very high young people get themselves in dangerous situations and there are videos which show moments of the tragic results. No conspiracy necessary.

 

[JaimeInLA]

The hotel is a private company. They didn't have to turn over their video to a bunch of 19-20 somethings, or Mom. People who rent rooms there have a right to privacy, as did her daughter, up until it became clear that she'd actually gone missing. People of age are allowed to disappear. That's why LE won't put out a missing persons on folks who are 18 or older unless they are mentally impaired, or they are in obvious danger. LE won't even hold an underage runaway, who has committed no crime, for over two hours (that may have changed in the recent past to a longer time period) and won't actively look for them, other than a BOLO, nor do they put them on the Amber Alert.

KJ could have just as well opened the janitorial closet and passed out. Unfortunately she didn't. That time of night does not have a lot of staff and around the time that the mother came in was probably close to changing of the night shift to the day shift (around 5:30 am iirc). Did the friends even look for her? Mom gave her the car to go to a party at 11:30 at night. I'm not blaming her mother, her daughter was 19, and chose to go, and looks as if she chose to drink, but all of this seems as if it was just a perfect storm that night. No, I want to see video of her friends combing the halls of each floor looking for her instead of taking her mother's car and leaving. Leave no friend behind.

I agree with all of that. However, I also believe the hotel is partially liable. When the mother showed up immediately following the disappearance being reported, the hotel staff refused to help her search and blew her off. It is my understanding that they did not release the security footage to the family and friends, only to the police.

Also, why did it take 20 hours to find the body? They had video evidence of her entering the area where the freezer is, and then never leaving that area. Had they done something as simple as watching their own security footage, she could have been found much sooner. Clearly, they never viewed that footage until after she was located.

Finally, that off-limits construction area was not secured. And the freezer was not locked. The hotel did not take any preventative safety measures to ensure the general public did not enter that area.

I believe there will absolutely be a significant financial settlement in this case on behalf of the hotel.

 

[tru2it4u]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...ns-hotel-freezer-timeline-20170912-story.html

"Investigators say they have been reviewing the Facebook video as well as surveillance video, including from 47 cameras in the hotel, and have been talking with people who were in the room. They also have sent some videos related to the investigation have been submitted to forensic analysts for examination. But investigators have said very little so far about what they have found."

That's a lot of video to go over and it's very possible local LE hasn't gone over it all. But, IMO their always seems to be a reason when LE reveals certain footage to the public.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[possumheart]

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...ns-hotel-freezer-timeline-20170912-story.html

"Investigators say they have been reviewing the Facebook video as well as surveillance video, including from 47 cameras in the hotel, and have been talking with people who were in the room. They also have sent some videos related to the investigation have been submitted to forensic analysts for examination. But investigators have said very little so far about what they have found."

That's a lot of video to go over and it's very possible local LE hasn't gone over it all. But, IMO their always seems to be a reason when LE reveals certain footage to the public.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

I think the security video was released to dampen down the hysteria. With a generation raised on internet conspiracy theories, and the whole 'fake news' paranoia phenomenon it seems to have backfired.
moo

 

[katydid23]

I agree with all of that. However, I also believe the hotel is partially liable. When the mother showed up immediately following the disappearance being reported, the hotel staff refused to help her search and blew her off. It is my understanding that they did not release the security footage to the family and friends, only to the police.

Also, why did it take 20 hours to find the body? They had video evidence of her entering the area where the freezer is, and then never leaving that area. Had they done something as simple as watching their own security footage, she could have been found much sooner. Clearly, they never viewed that footage until after she was located.

Finally, that off-limits construction area was not secured. And the freezer was not locked. The hotel did not take any preventative safety measures to ensure the general public did not enter that area.

I believe there will absolutely be a significant financial settlement in this case on behalf of the hotel.

That ^^ is the stuff that really bothers me. Now, because of these drunk/high irresponsible patrons, the hotel will begin to lock up and set up barriers through out the massive hotel.

So what happens when there is a large fire, or an armed robbery or crazy shooter in the building? Are the exits and hiding places going to be all blocked now?

 

[CARIIS]

Anyone have any notions about the rip
in the jeans in the bathroom being all the way through while in the hallways it is not??

Or bathroom and hallways body shape??

 

[rsd1200]

We are seeing pieces of the video, you are correct. But the police examined 36 hours of video. She disappeared around 4 AM and was found around midnight. That means she was missing for approximately 20 hours. presumably they stopped watching the video of that area after her body was found. That means they watched 16 hours of footage before she even wandered into that area.

The police have also said that the only way to reach that freezer was the one way in that Kenneka took. There is no second entrance to that area that is off-camera.

Therefore, we do know that nobody carried her into the freezer. Unless somebody was waiting off-camera near the freezer for more than 16 hours just hoping that a girl would get drunk and wander into that area. It does not make any sense.

For there to have been foul play, and the videos to have been edited, the police would have to be in on some big conspiracy theory with the hotel. WHY!? The police are received the footage pretty shortly after the body was found. The public just didn't receive it for a week.

The way I see it, we can be 99% certain that she walked into that freezer on her own. Therefore, it is irrelevant what the teens discussed on the FB Live video.

4 a.m. is when the "friends" called the mother. She'd already been missing for nearly two hours by then. It took LE eleven hours to search "all public areas and the ninth floor, where she was last seen by witnesses, Mack said."

Even if they'd started searching when the Mother called, I just don't see how they'd have found her in time. I'm also not discounting that the "friends" may have set her up in the room, then she quite possibly ran out of the room, disoriented, leaving behind her keys and phone, possibly walked in there as a place to hide even, and the "friends" ditched her afterwards, in her MOM's car. In the beginning she'd told her mother she was going bowling. It's very convoluted but if someone had been there to put her in the freezer, I think it would have to show on the video of them going into that area before she did. If something else horrible happened to that poor girl that night, I think it happened in the motel room.

http://kmel.iheart.com/content/2017...d-in-freezer-of-hotel-family-suspect-friends/

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/...found-dead-rosemont-hotel-20170910-story.html

 

[possumheart]

Anyone have any notions about the rip
in the jeans in the bathroom being all the way through while in the hallways it is not??

Or bathroom and hallways body shape??

With regards to body shape, many people with hips know how to pose to look slimmer in selfies and carefully constructed photos. Until her mother says it isn't her in the surveillance I am going to ignore those conspiracy theories.

 

[tru2it4u]

With regards to body shape, many people with hips know how to pose to look slimmer in selfies and carefully constructed photos. Until her mother says it isn't her in the surveillance I am going to ignore those conspiracy theories.

Agreed. And in some other pictures of KJ (not from that night) her hips are big then they are small.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

 

[rsd1200]

I agree with all of that. However, I also believe the hotel is partially liable. When the mother showed up immediately following the disappearance being reported, the hotel staff refused to help her search and blew her off. It is my understanding that they did not release the security footage to the family and friends, only to the police.

Also, why did it take 20 hours to find the body? They had video evidence of her entering the area where the freezer is, and then never leaving that area. Had they done something as simple as watching their own security footage, she could have been found much sooner. Clearly, they never viewed that footage until after she was located.

Finally, that off-limits construction area was not secured. And the freezer was not locked. The hotel did not take any preventative safety measures to ensure the general public did not enter that area.

I believe there will absolutely be a significant financial settlement in this case on behalf of the hotel.

She was 19. She could have just as easily hooked up with someone and been in a room. Running the video w/o a warrant, would have violated her privacy, and the person whose room she went into too. They never thought she was in a freezer in the basement in a construction zone. We can't always save people from themselves.

I disappeared when I was under age, and LE told my parents that they (LE) could not go and retrieve me, because there was no proof that I was where they thought that I was (I was), nor that I was being held against my will (I wasn't) and it's b/c we have a fourth amendment.

 

[Satchie]

4 a.m. is when the "friends" called the mother. She'd already been missing for nearly two hours by then.

I don't think it's been stated anywhere that she was missing for 2 hours. She called her sister around 1:30 am; according to police she's seen in footage in the lobby around 3:20 am; 15 minutes later she went into the kitchen freezer area.

I'm sure police have videos showing her and her friends (together or separately) leaving the room on the 9th floor and going towards the car, so they'll be able to work out a timeline.

I suspect her friends were with her in the lobby and that's why they haven't included that video, to protect the privacy of her friends, and possibly the action/inaction of the desk staff, who probably wouldn't have wanted a woman in that state in the lobby. It doesn't mean they're covering up, just that video surveillance isn't normally released to the public unless someone's a suspect in a crime.

As someone mentioned, some security video, at least in the past, suffers from timecode drift, ie is not completely reliable for determining time, but it could be corrected with other data, such as records of when a key was used to open a room. Some of this might be why the video is being examined forensically.

 

[CARIIS]

POLL :

POLL: Kenneka Jenkins- Tragic accident or fowl play??

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sh...-Kenneka-Jenkins-Tragic-accident-or-fowl-play

 

[mjs301]

I do not agree with this theory that the hotel employees immediately began editing the videos and trying to erase any perps seen around the victim. Why would they? They would know it would be impossible to pass it off as original footage and it is a serious CRIME to do so.

Why would some random employee put his own life on the line just to try and avoid a potential future lawsuit?

Not everything is a complicated, mysterious conspiracy. Sometimes drunk, incapacitated and very high young people get themselves in dangerous situations and there are videos which show moments of the tragic results. No conspiracy necessary.

I agree, I'm trying to understand why the hotel would go out of the way to edit the videos if she was in fact being dragged and/or someone was following her. Why wouldn't they be like here you go police and try to arrest the person(s) who did this? Makes no sense to me. I'm trying to see the shadows or edits or her movements being like she was dragged by someone they erased, when people are under the influence of whatever they move and jerk around like that, trying to balance themselves out. Poor girl... may she Rest In Peace. I hope the truth comes out whatever it is, but the scenario of a big hotel trying to cover up a murder seems unlikely to me. All that is clear is that she was stumbling and disoriented. The red boxes seem to be the camera trying to catch up with her staggering movements back and forth, not that someone else was there, imo. Who else would know to stay out of view at all times at different areas? This is piggy backing on the theory that the hotel has no reason to edit the surveillance videos. My only question is why is there no video of her going in? All cameras work but that particular angle? My opinion only. Condolences to the family and I just hope she didn't suffer.

 

[Elainera]

Regarding the cleared up audio of the party - could

sizzurp

be mistakenly heard as

freezer ?