IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #1

[looking4OPH]

I wish I could see this area for myself.

Here are Google Street views from 2 different views that show the marsh, arrows pointing in the direction of view.


A) Looking west from Rt. 59 towards the marsh that is east of the cement plant.


B) Looking south from Rollins Rd. towards the marsh that is east of the cement plant.



steelman's views are from further west on Honing Rd and Rollins near the cement plant, I think.

 

[looking4OPH]

If they were high school kids they might have been 'hanging out' and getting high, while waiting for school to start.

First period bell is at 7:40, so they would have been late if so. Not to say they would care much, if 'hanging out and getting high'.

 

[night train]

I was surprised to see that the Fox Lake portion of the funeral procession for Lt.Gliniewicz traveled down Rollins Rd. past the north side of the old cement yard approximately only 280 yards from where his body was found.

I'm familiar with the roads from Antioch to Fox Lake and back and can generally see why it went as it did....Yet with all the unanswered questions surrounding this murder and the time I've spent looking at Google Maps I hated the thought of Lt.Joe's widow being that close to where he died as they neared his final resting place...However,upon further reflection I have a feeling her and her son's thoughts would overwhelming be that it was the site where Lt.Joe Gleniewicz exhibited great bravery.

 

[looking4OPH]

I don't recall any mention in msm if the closed cement plant is secured well enough to keep people out.

Little to no security from multiple directions. We've seen Google Street views earlier from both of the vehicle entrances, which are blocked with barely secured gates. In addition, you could stroll in just about anywhere else.

 

[looking4OPH]

The service touched me. The Chaplain's words were comforting imo.

The Chaplain or Reverend has a commanding presence and his style appeals to me.

He does have a presence. His words and interaction with the crowd at the memorial/candle light vigil earlier in the week were very similar. I think I've heard he is the local LE chaplain, in addition to being a Presbyterian(?) minister in the next town over from Fox Lake.

Standing for an hour and a half this evening near the Fox Lake PD watching the ~1500+ LE vehicle procession was also moving. Departments from almost every Chicago suburb, Chicago proper, Michigan, Kentucky, Iowa, Wisconsin, Indiana, and Los Angeles county. Probably a once-in-a-lifetime (hopefully!) event.

 

[Cubby]

Little to no security from multiple directions. We've seen Google Street views earlier from both of the vehicle entrances, which are blocked with barely secured gates. In addition, you could stroll in just about anywhere else.

What about the inside of the plant? Is it secure or are people able to break in easily?

 

[stg]

The high schools here have community service police officers but none that stay on campus. Even security guards in the burbs don't carry guns and will call 911 if necessary.

Not sure what you mean by "here," so forgive me if you just mean one certain community, but there are many high schools in this area (Lake County) with a full-time school resource officer (police officer) on campus all day. I teach at one of them, and it is in a very safe community and is a great school. It is the norm now.

 

[looking4OPH]

The high schools here have community service police officers but none that stay on campus.

Grant (the closest to the cement plant) has one regular, onsite Fox Lake officer. The kids all 'know' (or are aware) of him.

 

[katydid23]

The high schools here have community service police officers but none that stay on campus. Even security guards in the burbs don't carry guns and will call 911 if necessary.

Our Resource officers had their weapons locked in their desks but could use them in case of emergency. They were full fledged officers that were stationed at the campus. We had 2200 students. So the cops were kept busy with reports of local crimes attributed to some of the gang member kids.

 

[looking4OPH]

What about the inside of the plant? Is it secure or are people able to break in easily?

I really haven't taken a close look, but if you Google Map and Street View it, there is one medium sized building on the site. It is old and doesn't look particularly secure. Google Street View shows several vehicles parked there as of 2012, which is confusing to me. Not entirely sure of it's status, thinking it was not operational. Certainly haven't observed anything being produced there.

 

[katydid23]

I wonder why it has been reported that the cops routinely patrol that specific area.

 

[night train]

Little to no security from multiple directions. We've seen Google Street views earlier from both of the vehicle entrances, which are blocked with barely secured gates. In addition, you could stroll in just about anywhere else.

The more things change,the more they stay the same....

When I was in High School we used to hang out at the abandoned gravel pits north of Libertyville that are now the Independence Grove Forest Preserve.Trees,dirt roads,ponds to swim in.One Percenter Motorcycle clubs hung around there...drugs,girls skinny dipping all kinds of stuff.

Alithough I never ventured beyond Miller Beer and Jack Daniels,most of the guys I hung out with used to buy drugs there.The Police would come by once in a great while,they could take only one road in,it was easy to know they were coming.Always an easy exit in various directions on foot or on a motorcycle.

 

[Cubby]

I wonder why it has been reported that the cops routinely patrol that specific area.

Probably to let people know it wasn't unusual or out of the ordinary for Lt. CG to be in the area.

 

[cady]

The service touched me. The Chaplain's words were comforting imo.
At the end of the funeral a banner thing appeared on the TV screen with the words ~

Forever in Our Hearts

Charles Joseph Gliniewicz

End of Watch

09/01/2015

The graphic has the first line gently arched with the other lines centered below.
Reading the words "End of Watch" opened my flood gates.

The Chaplain's sermon addressed the fact (or idea) that we are all children of God and how God loves us despite our mistakes or imperfections.
It isn't clear why he chose the words he did.
Maybe I'm reading too much into the direction he took due to the secrecy surrounding the details of the crime and speculation of who the suspects may be.

The Chaplain or Reverend has a commanding presence and his style appeals to me.

That sermon was the only part of the service that I watched. My immediate thought was the same as yours, wondering why parenting and children and forgiveness of their misdeeds was chosen as the subject to elaborate on. I too, thought maybe I was reading too much into it. It WAS at a high school, though. But I wondered If it was a subliminal hint to parents to tell LE what they know,if they know something about the crime. JMO JMO

 

[cady]

Now that it has been brought up, I wonder what the status of his radio WAS. If it was on, it would have picked up the gunshot(s), me thinks. Also, Were the first two officers on scene together or two patrol cars, and having been called for back-up, were their sirens on? Hearing sirens so close to the time of the shooting would REALLY make perps run FAST. JMO

 

[steelman]

The commander of the Lake County Major Crimes Task Force said Friday evening a new piece of evidence has been found in the investigation of the shooting of Fox Lake police Lt. Charles Joseph Gliniewicz.

George Filenko could not say what that evidence is, because of protocol. But he did say, "It is a piece of the puzzle."

Filenko said a significant piece of evidence was recovered Friday by evidence technicians at the crime scene.

Filenko said the new evidence is encouraging.

Earlier Friday, authorities said several new videos surfaced in the previous 24 hours that police investigators say they hope can provide views leading up to and after the time Gliniewicz was shot and killed, and shed light on the identity of his three suspected killers.

Filenko said several new videos obtained from area residents, businesses, and the Lake County Division of Transportation have been turned over to the FBI. Those videos are in addition to the home security video police received Wednesday that remains in the hands of investigators with the Homeland Security Administration.

The FBI has pledged its full support in the investigation and has the technology to put all of the videos in sequential order based on their various timestamps, he said. When that's done, it could help investigators assemble a video puzzle they hope will put them closer to identifying the suspects, he said.

"We are still reviewing the substantial amount of video for any clues that could help us," Filenko said, adding "astute" transportation workers saved intersection video Tuesday after hearing Gliniewicz had been shot and killed. He said video normally recycles and erases every couple of hours.

He also would not release other key details of Gliniewicz's death, including how many times he was shot and where, whether he was wearing a bulletproof vest, or if footprints at the scene showed where the suspects may have gone when they left the area.

Filenko said he did not know if the three suspects left the scene on foot or if they walked a short distance before entering a vehicle at another location and drove away.

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20150904/news/150909372/


I highlighted some of the potential leads and evidence that is being withheld from the public.

Much like was said in an earlier post yesterday, "We want you to help us catch these guys, but under no circumstances will we help you (the public) identify who these three people may be."

Even in the last sentence, they won't divulge which direction the three may have been heading when they left the scene. Big clue.....why the big secret ?

They don't want the public's help, they want to solve this on their own. That's becoming increasingly obvious.
Filenko is simply a pawn in the public relations chess game. That's why, much like an episode of Seinfeld, he continues to give press conferences about nothing.

 

[colts18to88]

Investigators searching for three men suspected in the shooting death of Fox Lake Police Lieutenant Joe Gliniewicz are expected to update the case on Tuesday.

Tuesday marks one week since the 30-year police veteran was killed. He was weeks away from retirement. Investigators hope new surveillance videos will help identify the suspects.


http://abc7chicago.com/news/officials-expected-to-update-fox-lake-murder-investigation/973859/


It will be very interesting to see what happens today. They've had what, three days to analyze all of these videos? The funeral is behind everyone and the holiday weekend is now over. The citizens who are scared to death there really deserve to know what's going on. If they continue to not give a piece of relevant information, then I really hope that the media starts pressing them for answers. The problem is that with today's 24/7 news cycle, this story won't be front page news for too much longer unless there is a substantial development.

Actions speak louder than words, and so far the actions of the authorities imply that they don't have any interest in having the public assist them. At the very least, it's bizarre. Let's hope that changes today. Compare this to the Charleston church shootings. The authorities there couldn't wait to release the videos of the suspect, which eventually led to a citizen spotting Dylan Roof. The first few hours and days in any case are so crucial. So many days have passed since this officer was killed and the public so far has been unable to help because they haven't been given a single piece of relevant information.

 

[night train]

Thinking back to my own teenage/early 20's days of hanging out on abandoned property that was patrolled by Police from time to time....

The 3 guys Lt.Glieniewicz radioed about must have originally been quite close to where his patrol car was located.Too close to the paved section to have much of the warning from the noise of a patrol car traveling down a dirt/gravel road.

With any sort of lead time at all it should have been easy to infiltrate into the trees for cover and escape.

Add an athletic cop with a gonzo attitude to work and life and 3 suspicious characters with something serious to hide and I can imagine a quick 50 yard foot chase where as they attempted to run for and into the cover of trees/swamp,Lt.Glieniewicz may have closed in on one of them but couldn't clearly see one or two of the others and got taken down and quickly overwhelmed.

 

[Keefer]

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Thinking back to my own teenage/early 20's days of hanging out on abandoned property that was patrolled by Police from time to time....

The 3 guys Lt.Glieniewicz radioed about must have originally been quite close to where his patrol car was located.Too close to the paved section to have much of the warning from the noise of a patrol car traveling down a dirt/gravel road.

With any sort of lead time at all it should have been easy to infiltrate into the trees for cover and escape.

Add an athletic cop with a gonzo attitude to work and life and 3 suspicious characters with something serious to hide and I can imagine a quick 50 yard foot chase where as they attempted to run for and into the cover of trees/swamp,Lt.Glieniewicz may have closed in on one of them but couldn't clearly see one or two of the others and got taken down and quickly overwhelmed.

Interesting analysis. Three youngsters looking to score dope out fox a veteran officer who happens to train other officers in police tactics. Then a young woman calls and says she saw them and leads the police on the wrong direction.
Two white guys and a black guy. Don't sound like typical gang members.
Homeland security wants to analyze the security tapes before anyone else.
Frankly, I am suspicious about most everything and everyone involved, especially the girl who made that call.

 

[stg]

He does have a presence. His words and interaction with the crowd at the memorial/candle light vigil earlier in the week were very similar. I think I've heard he is the local LE chaplain, in addition to being a Presbyterian(?) minister in the next town over from Fox Lake.

Standing for an hour and a half this evening near the Fox Lake PD watching the ~1500+ LE vehicle procession was also moving. Departments from almost every Chicago suburb, Chicago proper, Michigan, Kentucky, Iowa, Wisconsin, Indiana, and Los Angeles county. Probably a once-in-a-lifetime (hopefully!) event.

For anyone interested, the minister is Rev. Lyle Kaufman. He was actually an interim pastor of the Presbyterian church I attended when I was young, and my mom emailed me during the funeral yesterday asking if I remembered him and spoke of him very fondly.