IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #1

[night train]

Is this a local rumour or have you read about it in the news... or something else?

Heroin is something I was leaning towards as well. My kids graduated from a middle class suburban high school 5 yrs ago and 10 years ago. Ten yrs ago when my son was there, heroin was unheard of on campus. Kids used pot and alcohol and some coke and pills. But when my daughter was graduating she became aware of a few heroin users in her senior class. And all of the kids were shocked to learn of it.

She has friends with younger siblings at the school and they say that Heroin is rampant now. It is very sad. There have been a few arrests after two students OD'd. But it is middle to upper middle class suburb and heroin has become 'accepted' as a way to replace Oxycontin it seems.

Bluesneakers:My knowledge is from people not necessarily using but they're currently up close and personal.Been a while since I myself witnessed it in person,it's an ugly thing to see,I had a lot of stupid friends.

katydid23:My son's recently out of high school-Yep...they're stealing their parent's meds and buying heroin from dealers.He's had a handful of acquaintances die or come close,some of them very affluent.

 

[Chuz Life]

I still do not believe it was a suicide, but if it was, it was a crazy suicide for an experience 30 year LEO to do.

It's good that you are open to the possibility that it was a suicide. For what it is worth, I don't think it's "crazy" at all, for a cop as committed as Joe was to go out on his own terms (for reasons we can only speculate about) and for him to try to mask his suicide as an officer killed in the line of duty.

If he was trying to fake a murder then why would he shoot his weapon underneath his body vest?

It wasn't reported that the weapon was fired "under his vest." Was it? I think you have confused the reports on the bullet's trajectory with the location of the weapon when it was fired.

He has been a police officer and military man long enough to know the best place to commit suicide is a shot to the head.

It would be near impossible to make your suicide look like a murder by shooting yourself in the head. Wouldn't it? Just playing devil's advocate here, but wouldn't the staging be much more convincing to shoot yourself once in your vest and then fire the mortal wound at a crazy angle that gives you just enough time to toss the gun away from yourself before you succumb to your wounds?

Was he shot once or twice?

Most reports say one in the vest and a 2nd shot "to his torso at a downward angle."

And wasn't his firearm 100 feet away from his body?

Can you tell me where it was reported that his gun was found that far away? All of the reports I have say that it was "on the scene" and "near his body."

If he shot himself in one place and then fell dead in another location a 100 feet away there would be a blood trail from the first location to the second.

The same would be true if someone else shot him.

Is someone wanting others to think he committed suicide?

Wanting? No.

However, suicide is not completely out of the realm of possibilities. It has not been ruled out by the authorities and given what we know so far about the case, I (for one) am leaning more and more towards that conclusion.

 

[looking4OPH]

Both the Chicago Fox and NBC nightly news reporting new detail of downward trajectory gunshot from above the vest. NBC reported it as an AP report. Leaks continue.

 

[Mountaingazer]

Could he have been shot at the very top of the back, right below the neck, at a downward angle. It might explain the neck vs. torso confusion. And it's an area that can be exposed depending on the model of vest.

Perhaps shot in the stomach/vest which brought him to his knees or to the ground, then shot at again from above. Makes me sad to speculate about this.

http://us.123rf.com/450wm/moodboard...er-in-bulletproof-vest-outdoors-back-view.jpg

http://us.123rf.com/450wm/moodboard...er-in-bulletproof-vest-outdoors-back-view.jpg

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[cady]

That is certainly possible, I agree. But wouldn't that definitely be a homicide scenario? That would have ruled out suicide and accident right away. I know that Lt. G was an in-shape, agile guy, but that just seems like too much acrobatics, to not be able to rule out suicide> JMO

 

[Elley Mae]

Could he have been shot at the very top of the back, right below the neck, at a downward angle. It might explain the neck vs. torso confusion. And it's an area that can be exposed depending on the model of vest.

Perhaps shot in the stomach/vest which brought him to his knees or to the ground, then shot at again from above. Makes me sad to speculate about this.

http://us.123rf.com/450wm/moodboard...er-in-bulletproof-vest-outdoors-back-view.jpg

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That would make sense with the devastating wound Dr Rudd referred to meant major organ damage, if he was shot with a 40 cal bullet the penetration would be roughly 12-18 inches, not hitting bone. jmo idk

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/03/daniel-zimmerman/40-cal/

There is a lot to thank the .40 for and it usually gets no credit. The round’s virtues go far beyond the fact that it reliably penetrates the 12-18 inches of ballistic gelatin, as it was originally designed . . .

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/09/09/coroner-says-lt-gliniewicz-died-from-single-gunshot-wound/

“Devastating meaning he hit major organs and died fairly quickly,” Dr. Rudd said.

 

[Dockins]

That would make sense with the devastating wound Dr Rudd referred to meant major organ damage, if he was shot with a 40 cal bullet the penetration would be roughly 12-18 inches, not hitting bone. jmo idk

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2014/03/daniel-zimmerman/40-cal/

There is a lot to thank the .40 for and it usually gets no credit. The round’s virtues go far beyond the fact that it reliably penetrates the 12-18 inches of ballistic gelatin, as it was originally designed . . .

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/09/09/coroner-says-lt-gliniewicz-died-from-single-gunshot-wound/

“Devastating meaning he hit major organs and died fairly quickly,” Dr. Rudd said.

The last line of your post, who is the 'HE'? The way I read it was the officer hit his organs with the shot and then he died fairly quickly. Did Rudd misspeak, or unintentionally give something away?

 

[cady]

Does anyone think that the only reason Rudd feels he can't rule out suicide is that (which has not been said by anyone) the shot (s) were from CG's OWN weapon? Such that he is waiting for investigators to tell him if it WAS CG's gun and there is evidence that someone else fired it, or that the 40caliber bullet was from a different gun???? JMO

 

[cady]

The last line of your post, who is the 'HE'? The way I read it was the officer hit his organs with the shot and then he died fairly quickly. Did Rudd misspeak, or unintentionally give something away?

I think it was a "he" in general, with the presumption that a "he" fired the killing shot. JMO

 

[Elley Mae]

The other thing to keep in mind is the gun shot residue. I don't recall Rudd saying there was any on GI Joe's hand/s iirc the clothes have been sent off to some? lab to be analyzed.

 

[cady]

Yes! It almost seems like Rudd did not see residue, but needs the test results to confirm. He certainly would have noted evidence of a struggle, though, wouldn't he? JMO

 

[Elley Mae]

Yes! It almost seems like Rudd did not see residue, but needs the test results to confirm. He certainly would have noted evidence of a struggle, though, wouldn't he? JMO

I guess without the clothes showing signs of a struggle, like ripped or torn shirt. If it were a scenario like the officer was in a foot chase and had two individuals in sight, pulled his weapon and hollered to stop with weapon drawn and the third suspect ran up from behind and kicked GI Joe to the ground kicking him in the back with foot/feet planted on the vest would that show on autopsy.?

 

[cady]

elley....When you were reading about 40 cal bullets, did you come across anything about what they do when they hit a vest? Does the missile just dud-out (my dopey words) or does it do a lot of damage to the vest? JMO

 

[Elley Mae]

I have wondered about the policy on a lone patrol officer is on exiting the vehicle in pursuit of 3 individuals? Or if that is a no-no. jmo idk

 

[cady]

I have wondered about the policy on a lone patrol officer is on exiting the vehicle in pursuit of 3 individuals? Or if that is a no-no. jmo idk

My uneducated guess is that it is frowned upon, but as Katydid pointed out, if these people were 3 kids that CG recognized, up to no good, he may have felt comfortable enough to pursue them on his own. JMO

 

[Elley Mae]

elley....When you were reading about 40 cal bullets, did you come across anything about what they do when they hit a vest? Does the missile just dud-out (my dopey words) or does it do a lot of damage to the vest? JMO

I'm no expert, but from what I have seen you still have alot of bruising for the most part, here is a video that shows what some bullets do. Still looks like alot of pain, and I am sure most that get shot land on their arse from the energy. jmo idk

http://www.bulletsafe.com/bulletproof-vest-videos.html

 

[cady]

I'm no expert, but from what I have seen you still have alot of bruising for the most part, here is a video that shows what some bullets do. Still looks like alot of pain, and I am sure most that get shot land on their arse from the energy. jmo idk

http://www.bulletsafe.com/bulletproof-vest-videos.html

Interesting, TY! No penetration, and no damage to speak of, but very powerful. IMO and would knock someone down. JMO

 

[leah]

My uneducated guess is that it is frowned upon, but as Katydid pointed out, if these people were 3 kids that CG recognized, up to no good, he may have felt comfortable enough to pursue them on his own. JMO

This is what I've been thinking happened, 3 kids that CG recognized, and that is why he was comfortable. Now, I don't think so, but now I'm confused about the whole thing. Every once in awhile following some case on here I can't shake it, keep thinking about it and it consumes me, this is one of those cases.

 

[cady]

This is what I've been thinking happened, 3 kids that CG recognized, and that is why he was comfortable. Now, I don't think so, but now I'm confused about the whole thing. Every once in awhile following some case on here I can't shake it, keep thinking about it and it consumes me, this is one of those cases.

You are not alone! What a mystery....JMO

 

[katydid23]

This is what I've been thinking happened, 3 kids that CG recognized, and that is why he was comfortable. Now, I don't think so, but now I'm confused about the whole thing. Every once in awhile following some case on here I can't shake it, keep thinking about it and it consumes me, this is one of those cases.

I think he saw a couple of kids he recognized. But I don't think the kids killed him. I think maybe a drug dealer or a felon that was hiding from an open warrant was there at the time. And he had his guard down because he thought it was just kids smoking pot before school---and did not know of the danger involving the 3rd perp. JMO