IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #2

[vestigare]

Sorry to quote myself but for those who are angry or may be angry at Lt. CG for calling in the report about three subjects, which at this point seems almost impossible as there was no evidence found to date to confirm those three subjects exist, consider this.

The above description is how authorities found Lt. CG within 30 minutes of his radio call. Everything that came after that, staging the police presence, the 400 plus experts, the schools on lock down, etc. etc. came from the task force run by Filenko.

This is what makes me less likely to be forgiving about what happened if this is suicide. Gliniewicz set up a narrative with his suspects and this task force doubled down on it without a second thought to anyone else. Disgusting if true.

 

[vestigare]

Thank you.

I'm curious as to how investigators will be able to discern between an accidental and an intentional suicide at this point. What investigative techniques will be used, etc.

Personally, I can see how the Lt. would have had motives for both an intentional suicide and for the staging of a fake "assault" on himself that might have gone bad and resulted in his (unintended) death.

Unless there was a struggle for his gun (otherwise how did someone get it) or he was shot from a distance he had to have shot himself.

Which makes me think he didn't think this through very well if he didn't try to make it look like someone tried to get his gun.

Unless the.gun used was not his service weapon but another gun and they have managed to trace it back to him or suspect it was his because of forensics like his dna on places it could only get from cleaning or loading.

 

[vestigare]

http://chicago.suntimes.com/news/7/71/962114/hold-police-coroner-continue-clash-fox-lake-cop-case

Police, coroner keep clashing in Fox Lake cop case
Written By BY RUTH FULLER Special to Sun-Times Posted: 09/15/2015, 04:49pm

"Investigators looking into the death of a Fox Lake Police officer met with the pathologist who performed his autopsy without the knowledge of the Lake County coroner, underscoring the strained relationship between the police and the coroner in the case, the Chicago Sun-Times has learned.

The meeting concerning slain officer Charles Joseph Gliniewicz was held last week, at 10 a.m. Wednesday, at the Round Lake Police Department, where Lake County Major Crimes Task Force Cmdr. George Filenko is police chief.

Pathologist Manny Montez confirmed that he attended the meeting, along with Filenko, other members of the task force and members of the FBI. Representatives of the Lake County state’s attorney’s office also attended. “They called me and told me to be present, so I showed up,” Montez said. “We went over my findings. They had copies of my sketches because I haven’t finalized my [autopsy] report yet.”

Lake County Coroner Thomas A. Rudd said he was “totally confused” when he learned about the meeting.“I was not invited to the meeting and I have just found out that the meeting occurred,” Rudd said. Montez is a contracted employee of the coroner and reports his findings to Rudd, who makes the final determination on the cause of death.

Rudd, however, said that the task force’s actions thus far would not affect their relationship.

“I’ll continue to work and cooperate as a professional,” he said."

Much more at link. Geesh, what a freakin' mess!

Crazy, I am all for independent autopsies and think families should always hire their own forensics experts but this sounds like Filenko went independent and I am not entirely sure he had any authority to do so. Unless the family.authorized it or a judge I would be interested to see how he was able to get accomplish that.

Was it performed by someone working for Rudd or did that person just attend the meeting?

If I lived in this county I would insist the feds or stste come in and take control of this entire county and not just this case because something is seriously wrong here.

Glad I don't pay taxes for this corrupt mess.

 

[cady]

I sort of went along with the idea that the gun was first reported to be missing because it was probably underneath his body...but according to new reporting, it was next to his body, which means that it was visible as soon as his body was found. So, what was THAT all about? JMO

 

[cady]

Crazy, I am all for independent autopsies and think families should always hire their own forensics experts but this sounds like Filenko went independent and I am not entirely sure he had any authority to do so. Unless the family.authorized it or a judge I would be interested to see how he was able to get accomplish that.

Was it performed by someone working for Rudd or did that person just attend the meeting?

If I lived in this county I would insist the feds or stste come in and take control of this entire county and not just this case because something is seriously wrong here.

Glad I don't pay taxes for this corrupt mess.

I am not under the impression that the autopsy was independent. I think that the pathologist who performed it works for Rudd, and Rudd as Coroner, reviews the results and makes the call as to MOD. All along I thought that it was Rudd who actually performed the autopsy...but whatever near-conclusion Rudd was formulating, was based on the pathologist's findings. So, LE"met" with the pathologist secretly because Filenko has a bee in his bonnet about Rudd. Childish. JMO

 

[vestigare]

I sort of went along with the idea that the gun was first reported to be missing because it was probably underneath his body...but according to new reporting, it was next to his body, which means that it was visible as soon as his body was found. So, what was THAT all about? JMO

Without photos of the body at the scene I can't know how overgrown the area was. So it possible it was right there and the first on scene didn't see it.

I tend to think it wss just keystone cops running around, they find the body, panic, pay more attention to worrying about what boogyman is hiding in the brush than what is going on with the body and nothing about his body was checked until more people got on the scene and they could "secure" the area for the first responders.

I also think Filenko didn't answer about the gun because keeping quiet helped his trio murderers narrative.

 

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I am not under the impression that the autopsy was independent. I think that the pathologist who performed it works for Rudd, and Rudd as Coroner, reviews the results and makes the call as to MOD. All along I thought that it was Rudd who actually performed the autopsy...but whatever near-conclusion Rudd was formulating, was based on the pathologist's findings. So, LE"met" with the pathologist secretly because Filenko has a bee in his bonnet about Rudd. Childish. JMO

Okay. The media report was confusing about who did what. Thanks.

 

[cady]

Okay. The media report was confusing about who did what. Thanks.

On second look, the article DOES state that the autopsy was performed without the knowledge of Rudd, (as was the follow-up meeting) Weird. JMO

 

[vestigare]

On second look, the article DOES state that the autopsy was performed without the knowledge of Rudd, (as was the follow-up meeting) Weird. JMO

I don't know if it is just bad wording or what but I am thoroughly confused about what actually happened based on that article.

Also it is intereting Rudd says no one has emailed, called , set up a meeting and then right after they call to set up a meeting.

Such childishness from hethe task force.

 

[cady]

I was the one with the packs of marlboro picture and lung cancer speculation and I still wonder if he was sick or suspected he was very sick and too scared to get checked out and figured this was the better way to go.

With talk about his BLM stance etc I do wonder now if his trio was so innocent afterall or if was making some political ppint hoping for more attention which is even more awful especially in an area where no blacks live and the police are quick to force confessions.

I was SLAMMED early on for saying that I HOPED this was not a suicide with an accompanying political agenda.... I don't know if it was either, as a fact, but all angles should be considered. JMO

 

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I was SLAMMED early on for saying that I HOPED this was not a suicide with an accompanying political agenda.... I don't know if it was either, as a fact, but all angles should be considered. JMO

Unless he left a note or there was some computer searches we may never understand what exactly was going through his mind but I think as an officer for thirty years he understood.

Why not say just three suspects race unknown and describe generic clothing like bluejeans and various colored shirts? Why not hispanic or a female? Or ages?

If he made them up he had a reason for the description. We may never understand though what it was.

If he saw the other trio and used them as inspiration that is in a way even worse because he knew they existed and could be found and might be falsly implicated.

 

[vestigare]

I was SLAMMED early on for saying that I HOPED this was not a suicide with an accompanying political agenda.... I don't know if it was either, as a fact, but all angles should be considered. JMO

Sorry you were slammed. People should be more open to all ideas even those we are uncomfortable with. This is a forum for sleuthing afterall and sometimes the tiniest craziest ideas is what cracks open a case.

 

[Sonya610]

I still stick with my original theory that high school kids did it. That explains the quietness of the investigation.
JMO

If high school kids did this it would already have leaked to the police. There is just no way dumb young kids could be stupid enough to do this and NOT tell some of their friends.

 

[cady]

I'm so glad that the three photos were not plastered all over the news! Of course, at the time I was as eager as anyone else to see them. JMO

 

[Sonya610]

If he saw the other trio and used them as inspiration that is in a way even worse because he knew they existed and could be found and might be falsly implicated.

I agree. I disagree with folks that say it wouldn't be a big deal because the subjects would be cleared. He would have known there would be a huge search for these guys and something could go wrong (i.e. when hundreds of police are on high alert looking for a cold blooded cop killer their trigger fingers will be twitchy) before they had the chance to be cleared, assuming they had alibis and COULD be cleared.

 

[vestigare]

I'm so glad that the three photos were not plastered all over the news! Of course, at the time I was as eager as anyone else to see them. JMO

When the FBI didn't release any stills from the videos I knew they had reason to believe these people weren't connected so I didn't care that they didn't release them and wasn't surpirsed when it turned out they werent connected.

But I am glad that it seems the task force didn't have control over that or they probably would have released it and no telling what would have happened to those men.

 

[TheDuchess]

Out of curiosity...LT had posted several photos of what looked to be recent surgery to his arm and a bionic looking brace. Anyone have any idea of the backstory on that?


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[vestigare]

I agree. I disagree with folks that say it wouldn't be a big deal because the subjects would be cleared. He would have known there would be a huge search for these guys and something could go wrong (i.e. when hundreds of police are on high alert looking for a cold blooded cop killer their trigger fingers will be twitchy) before they had the chance to be cleared, assuming they had alibis and COULD be cleared.

Exactly! People who believe that police don't go crazy over cop killers on the loose just need to remember Dorner. The police shot two female newspaper delivery women because they drove a truck similar to Dorner's. Thankfully they both survived but you cannot trust people will have alibis or that they will survive the arrest or won't have a false confession worked out of them all because someone gave a false description and then killed himself.

 

[TheDuchess]

When the FBI didn't release any stills from the videos I knew they had reason to believe these people weren't connected so I didn't care that they didn't release them and wasn't surpirsed when it turned out they werent connected.

But I am glad that it seems the task force didn't have control over that or they probably would have released it and no telling what would have happened to those men.

I am glad they didn't post them as well however I disagree about them knowing they were unrelated. When they announced this news they were practically giddy with excitement. I thought at the time they genuinely felt they had their suspects. And when they learned they were not involved is when the wind went out of their sails.




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[TheDuchess]

Exactly! People who believe that police don't go crazy over cop killers on the lose just need to remember Dorner. The police shot two female newspaper delivery women because they drove a truck similar to Dorner's. Thankfully they both survived but you cannot trust people will have alibis or that they will survive the arrest or won't have a false confession worked out of them all because someone gave a false description and then killed himself.

I've been thinking about that. Wondering why he would actually choose that scenario if he actually saw them. Was it random? Why would he choose to use 3 subjects that could easily be cleared and point suspicion onto himself. I would imagine if this was suicide he had thought about it for some time and thought through every scenario. He knew exactly how the case would be investigated. Why even go there?


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