IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #2

[Elley Mae]

Dr. Rudd said they are working on determining if the gunshot was from close range by examining the officer’s garments and are waiting on analysis of the gunshot residue.

He says nothing has been ruled in or out regarding homicide, suicide or accident.

http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2015/09/09/coroner-says-lt-gliniewicz-died-from-single-gunshot-wound/

Rudd also said he hasn't yet issued a final report on the manner of death -- homicide, suicide or accident -- because he hasn't received a final report on the investigation from the Lake County Major Crimes Task Force.

"I can't determine any manner of death without the law enforcement report," Rudd said.

http://www.dailyherald.com/article/20150909/news/150908761/

 

[vestigare]

sbm

So are we pretending this is fact now?

If you follow the conversation you will see the other poster asked a question I responded to.
One sentence cannot be taken in a vacuum, especially consideringyou snipped my entire post where my last sentence said

------>>>Because if he made them up he could have chosen hispanic or female or nothing so he had a reason for what he chose.

 

[TheDuchess]

" The rumors have been he committed suicide for various reasons but that he chose to identify a blackman in his suspious call for political reasons.

Make of it what you will....

I'm from the area and rumors are truly all over the place. Everyone thinks they have inside information, yet they all say different things.

 

[vestigare]

If someone comes to the coroner with a gunshot wound showing evidence of a closely held gun and they is no further evidence to prove that another person was holding that gun and no logical conclusion that it could have been an accident it is considered a suicide.

At this point the coroner doesn't have proof or evidence of another person. He even said he had no way to know how the bullet got into the person. He is waiting for the proof from the task force. Proof they claim they have. But for now the default position appears to be suicide.

 

[TheDuchess]

If someone comes to the coroner with a gunshot wound showing evidence of a closely held gun and they is no further evidence to prove that another person was holding that gun and no logical exclusion that it could have been an accident it is considered a suicide.

At this point the coroner doesn't have proof or evidence of another person. He even said he had no way to know how the bullet got into the person. He is waiting for the proof from the task force. Proof they claim they have. But for now the default position appears to be suicide.

Well...technically there is SOME evidence that we know of...his call and the unknown DNA.

 

[Inthedetails]

OT: For those following the Baby Doe case from Deer Island, Boston, there is breaking news in her thread.

 

[vestigare]

Well...technically there is SOME evidence that we know of...his call and the unknown DNA.

A call is not in any way forensic evidence.
The DNA, which the task force seems unwilling to give to Rudd, could very easily be from transfer so is not evidence of another person in and of itself.

 

[cady]

sbm

So are we pretending this is fact now?

Well, to be fair, he ALLEGED that he was pursuing the whites and black trio....which reminds me, at the very beginning, among numerous comments of sadness and praise, someone who knew him said that everyone liked him, even the criminals liked him. I wonder who the usual criminals were, and what their crimes were , how he dealt with them, their racial make-up, and if they were immediately questioned. Every town has their usual suspects, so there must have been some names floating out there. JMO

 

[cady]

OT: For those following the Baby Doe case from Deer Island, Boston, there is breaking news in her thread.

Thanks! The pathologist that I know of was posting on that thread in June. If you see her there will you ask her to pay us a visit here? TY JMO

 

[Elley Mae]

I seriously don't see him as suicidal and him about to retire and being concerned about the explorer program continuing on does not constitute him becoming suicidal. I am on the side of there being 3 people there like he reported to dispatch for now. jmo idk

 

[m00c0w]

I seriously don't see him as suicidal and him about to retire and being concerned about the explorer program continuing on does not constitute him becoming suicidal. I am on the side of there being 3 people there like he reported to dispatch for now. jmo idk

What seems to be overlooked is that a false dichotomy is being constructed by many people here. He may have, indeed, seen three people and followed them into the woods. Those three people may have not been responsible for his death, though. It's not limited to either these three people killed him or he did it himself (intentionally or unintentionally). They could have just been there and either led him into something, or something else cropped up along the way after they bailed.

 

[Tillicum]

I understand that since both the coroner and LE have stated on MSM that suicide is a possibility, that we can discuss that possibility here. What I don't understand is why we can attack this man's character on the assumption it's suicide when it hasn't been confirmed yet and may never be. Even if it is confirmed that this is a case of suicide, would that not make him a victim of some type of mental illness? Won't there be time enough to bad mouth him if and when suicide is confirmed? IDK what TOS apply at this point.

 

[looking4OPH]

Adding - the case above relates to this thread because both cases concern Lake County, IL.

Clarification from yesterday's Casciaro case update - Johnsburg is not located in Lake County. It is in McHenry county.

 

[cady]

I seriously don't see him as suicidal and him about to retire and being concerned about the explorer program continuing on does not constitute him becoming suicidal. I am on the side of there being 3 people there like he reported to dispatch for now. jmo idk

I had to look at the possibility of suicide just because after a while, absolutely NO evidence of any of the 3 being there was put forth. For me, there is still no compelling evidence of either scenario. It's a fact that the call was made, but there is no evidence of what was reported as being true. I could go with accident, but not if there were two shots that made contact with his person. The time line, for me, which is documented, does not support the 3 person allegation, and the lack of any evidence that they were there, leads me to the likelihood of suicide. The investigation, while scaled down, is not over. So, we shall see. There are still a lot of things to investigate, about Joe, the village politics, and his own PD. JMO

 

[cady]

OT I tried three times to edit my last post and the edit is not showing...not that important, but if It pops up here 3times, I did not intend for that to happen LOL!!! JMO

 

[Chuz Life]

Well...technically there is SOME evidence that we know of...his call and the unknown DNA.

There is something very fishy about the supposed "unknown dna" and how quickly it was found and then immediately determined to not be the Lt's dna.

Do you have a timeline on that?

Does anyone?

 

[cady]

There is something very fishy about the supposed "unknown dna" and how quickly it was found and then immediately determined to not be the Lt's dna.

Do you have a timeline on that?

Does anyone?

NO. But reportedly the foreign DNA is on his gun, which they found shortly after they found him. Amazing that that DNA test took so little time, but other lab tests were not completed as expeditiously. I am presuming that they are completed now because they are Finally meeting with Rudd on Sunday. The gun cannot be the "significant" item that was found four days later. No clue what that was, unless it was a casing. All is still mysterious..... JMO

 

[i.b.nora]

jjj

NO. But reportedly the foreign DNA is on his gun, which they found shortly after they found him. Amazing that that DNA test took so little time, but other lab tests were not completed as expeditiously. I am presuming that they are completed now because they are Finally meeting with Rudd on Sunday. The gun cannot be the "significant" item that was found four days later. No clue what that was, unless it was a casing. All is still mysterious..... JMO

According to an article I posted a few days ago, the "significant" item was a second bullet casing.

 

[vestigare]

Lean on demographics if you wish,I find it irrelevant. I've owned a home in Fox Lake, I assure you that on a 90 degree day weekend or weekdays... much like Las Vegas or New Orleans the town is loaded with non-residents.

A white male over age 50 who doesn't like Obama and BL's Matter ? What's the odds of that in America 50/50 or greater? It doesn't make Joe Gliniewicz a racist cop.

The point is if he in fact did concoct these three out of thin air then why did he choose the racial makeup he chose? This is what people are discussing inlight of his apparent discussions on social media. As I pointed out days ago he didn't even need to describe them at all.

 

[Falcon500]

The point is if he in fact did concoct these three out of thin air then why did he choose the racial makeup he chose? This is what people are discussing inlight of his apparent discussions on social media. As I pointed out days ago he didn't even need to describe them at all.

Good detectives are always suspicous of a mixed race duo or threesome when investigating a crime

It's a huge red flag when a victim describes the suspects as "one white male and one black male". Nearly all of these cases turn out to be false reports.