It is all very incestuous in this town. From what I gather the mayor was close friends with Joe and had then this meeting the day before. Then from what I gather ex chief behan was very good friends with Joe and he retired just days before.
IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #3
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It is all very incestuous in this town. From what I gather the mayor was close friends with Joe and had then this meeting the day before. Then from what I gather ex chief behan was very good friends with Joe and he retired just days before.
On Aug 27 when Behan announced he was leaving the news release said they would conduct a national search for the new chief.
But it wasn't until Sept 6th that they assigned interim chief.
Could the mayor have told Joe in the meeting on the i31st he wasn't being considered and some reasons why?
Here's my thoughts. edited of what was moved to the scanner thread. Hope it's edited enough to be posted here this time.
His first call came while he was in his squad. Maybe just turning onto Honing from Sayton. The whole reason he's there to begin with is that he saw these 3 from Rollins Rd as they were heading southwest on concrete plant property towards or at the gravel road where it opens up at the plant itself. Rollins Rd is a logical route from home for him weather he worked out or not that morning.
He said they took off towards the swamp. At this time they just walked into his line of sight from his squad while he was parking or parked at the gate.
He then agreed to have backup sent. At this time he would be out of the squad and going over or around the gate.
He then gives his location as being off the gravel road between the cement plant ang honing. At this time just stepping off the gravel road. I don't think they ran that far into the woods and were hiding. They didn't really have a head start. Maybe he spotted one of them and started a verbal exchange with him, then he was ambushed from one or two of the others. This would be within seconds of his last transmition.
It was more a response regarding Fox Lake's reputation as a heroin hotspot. The suggestion was raised to file a request for drug arrests over the past two years. A comment was made that maybe arrests aren't being made. The reputation may be well deserved. But if we all know about it, how can LE not? And yet it is still the place to go. And thank you...FOIA. I live with FOID card holders so I'm not sure if it was a typo or confusion....most likely confusion...LOL
If the police know this town is a drug corridor, and yet the reputation continues and major drug busts aren't happening.......hmmmmmm
Exactly. But the locals don't vote out those in charge and demand the feds investigate the PD?
Something ain't right here even if this has nothing to do with Gliniewicz's death this town has serious problems with their govt.
I never really thought a "hit" made much sense but linking all of this together...maybe he wanted out and they were afraid of what he might say or do?
I believe there really were three people seen by Lt G that morning. I believe they were seen by others at various earlier times in the day as well. It was reported they were caught on video from businesses and residents in the area. I believe it’s even possible a resident called the PD earlier that morning to report three suspicious suspects, even before Lt G saw them, due to the hour of the day and that they were on video in someone’s backyard. Maybe Lt G was aware of this possible call, so when he saw the three, he radioed in where he was and that he had set out to investigate. Maybe the three were to meet up with an unknown 4th at the swamp area. Maybe they didn’t even know, or had never seen, this person who they were to meet.
If Lt G saw the three, they saw him, in his squad car. And they fled the area as they saw him rolling back there.
I am not certain if they were 2 WM, 1BM, as Lt G reported, or if they were 1 WM, 1WF and 1BM, or any other combination. Sometimes it’s hard to tell from a distance. To Lt G, at whatever distance he was when he saw them, they looked like 2 WM, 1 BM. LE knows though. They’ve viewed the videos. The videos were likely enhanced enough that no description release to the public was necessary. It was reported they’ve “cleared” the three. LE may have many valid reasons for saying they’ve cleared the three. The obvious one being they did not kill Lt G or have anything at all to do with the events of that morning. But who knows, maybe these three gave LE some useful information about the hypothetical 4th. Along the line of what Walker007 posted earlier...."Tipping them/him off might be counter productive to the investigation"
If Lt G saw the three, they saw him, in his squad car. And they fled the area as they saw him rolling back there.
I am not certain if they were 2 WM, 1BM, as Lt G reported, or if they were 1 WM, 1WF and 1BM, or any other combination. Sometimes it’s hard to tell from a distance. To Lt G, at whatever distance he was when he saw them, they looked like 2 WM, 1 BM. LE knows though. They’ve viewed the videos. The videos were likely enhanced enough that no description release to the public was necessary. It was reported they’ve “cleared” the three. LE may have many valid reasons for saying they’ve cleared the three. The obvious one being they did not kill Lt G or have anything at all to do with the events of that morning. But who knows, maybe these three gave LE some useful information about the hypothetical 4th. Along the line of what Walker007 posted earlier...."Tipping them/him off might be counter productive to the investigation"
This point is much more profound that I think some readers may want to consider.
I'm sure (almost) that they do. They have probably checked out the major druggies that they know of, and swabbed their associates. JMO
When this first happened, many of his friends and admirers were interviewed as to their thoughts about Joe. The sign lady, Tammy Rivette, among other nice things, said that even the criminals liked Joe. I wondered then and now how she would know that.....JMO
Any techies out there? In an investigation, is it possible to select a geolocation and then account for cell pings from there at a certain time? It does seem an oddity that all three alleged people were without cell phones. JMO
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I would! What is the downside? LE has already stated that they are pursuing 3 MURDER suspects. Do you think that the suspects will somehow become more elusive if they realize that LE knows that drugs were involved in the murder?
On the upside, this info could make the suspects realize that LE is competent & may be closing in on them. This could strongly incentivize the 2 suspects who did not pull the trigger to roll over on the shooter in exchange for more lenient treatment.
Maybe they used a stingray device ( I think that's what it is called) to pick up cell phone transmissions even though they are now restricted.
If they did they must know whose cells were pinging...so they would have names of potential suspects. I think we would have obliquely heard something about that. JMO
Springboarding from several posts.
Even for pinging they would need to specifically target a specific phone and receive an answering ping in return. I know some cell companies could do that for all their customers or especially smart phones but even if they keep the data it would require a search warrant and then they would need the specific person to serve the warrant against or a blanket warrant and that probably isn't happening.
The standard triangulation we always hear of isn't a very precise science and unfortunately prosecutors and LE have put too much weight into that and court cases are being appealed on this faulty science.
They would have to have an idea of who they want to triangulate and pull their records or that would mean pulling thousands if not tens of thousands of transmissions from that time frame and the best several closest cell towers and then individually trying to triangulate them.
Possible but time consuming and getting a judge to sign a blanket warrant for all those searches from those thousands not likely to happen today....... I would not be happy to see a judge do it and neither would many civil rights groups.
Not a techie.
But yeah they have stuff, funny as far as know I have not heard of case that was prosecuted that used these devices, and you know dang right well they have. jmo idk
Since 2005, the department has spent hundreds of thousands of dollars on cell-site simulators manufactured by the Harris Corp. in Melbourne, Florida, records show. The devices with names like StingRay and KingFish capture cellphone signals.
http://chicago.suntimes.com/news-ch...olice-fighting-keep-cellphone-trackers-secret
Stingray exists. But wouldn't be much use here.
It is frightening the stuff LE uses then isn't very truthful on the limitations of the technology when presenting it to a jury and the defense isn't prepared to offer a legitimate defense on something they know little about.
I encourage everyone to read up on the limits of all forensic evidence. You might be shocked exactly what DNA , fibre, hair, fingerprints, electronic, ballistics and gun powder can't prove beyond huge doubt much less reasonable doubt.
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I'm still struggling with the fact it took so long for the first officers on the scene to find him. Dispatch would have been calling him non stop at that point, why couldn't they hear the radio transmissions coming from his portable radio leading them immediately to him?
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