IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #3

[tcer114]

I was looking at the transcript of the radio transmission that morning but a few things don't seem clear. If anyone has a moment, can you check the thread and help me ubderstand the timing better?

 

[i.b.nora]

In addition to the astounding information on Gliniewicz possible arrival time at 128 Honing, I also found it curious that Covelli said:

"Fox News has learned that the police car Gliniewicz was in on the morning of Sept. 1 did have a GPS tracking system in it, which will indicate when he arrived to the crime scene. So far that information has not been released. Two sources close to the investigation tells Fox news it’s possible Gliniewicz arrived up to 20 minutes before he radioed in about three suspects, raising more questions about what happened that day.

Covelli also revealed that one of the dozens of K-9 units on the crime scene tracked a scent away from the scene—but the dog’s handler suffered from heat exhaustion and had to stop the search. Covelli told reporters police did not continue following the only scent trail they say they found."​

Mystery deepens around death of Illinois cop, despite lengthy probe

 

[vestigare]

In addition to the astounding information on Gliniewicz possible arrival time at 128 Honing, I also found it curious that Cavelli said:

"Fox News has learned that the police car Gliniewicz was in on the morning of Sept. 1 did have a GPS tracking system in it, which will indicate when he arrived to the crime scene. So far that information has not been released. Two sources close to the investigation tells Fox news it’s possible Gliniewicz arrived up to 20 minutes before he radioed in about three suspects, raising more questions about what happened that day.

Covelli also revealed that one of the dozens of K-9 units on the crime scene tracked a scent away from the scene—but the dog’s handler suffered from heat exhaustion and had to stop the search. Covelli told reporters police did not continue following the only scent trail they say they found."​

Mystery deepens around death of Illinois cop, despite lengthy probe

I think they must have known the trail that handler was on was contaminated. The cops that came upon his body did fan out into the swamp right away so could have been the source.

I just find the entire thing absurd. That even one person had to be evacuated for heat exhaustion just blows my mind. They wouldn't last five minutes on an Alabama July day or in Iraq I guess....

All this talk about it being sooooo hot. Sorry folks. It might have been a might hot for y'all in Illinois but the rest of the world doesn't succumb to heat exhaustion in 90 degree weather after a few hours where they had access to water etc and were most likely not going full tilt for hours on end.

I would like to know when this happened and exactly how long he had been on the 1/4 mile trail?????

It is all very fishy to me and seems to just be a good way to float a story about how the k9s did have a trail and they were all working so hard they got heat stroke, blah blah blah.

I wonder how many workman comp claims were filed that day from all those helping in the manhunt?

 

[hockeymom4]

I think they must have known the trail that handler was on was contaminated. The cops that came upon his body did fan out into the swamp right away so could have been the source.

I just find the entire thing absurd. That even one person had to be evacuated for heat exhaustion just blows my mind. They wouldn't last five minutes on an Alabama July day or in Iraq I guess....

All this talk about it being sooooo hot. Sorry folks. It might have been a might hot for y'all in Illinois but the rest of the world doesn't succumb to heat exhaustion in 90 degree weather after a few hours where they had access to water etc and were most likely not going full tilt for hours on end.

I would like to know when this happened and exactly how long he had been on the 1/4 mile trail?????

It is all very fishy to me and seems to just be a good way to float a story about how the k9s did have a trail and they were all working so hard they got heat stroke, blah blah blah.

I wonder how many workman comp claims were filed that day from all those helping in the manhunt?

Ten years ago 700 people died in Chicago of heat exhaustion, over FIVE days. I don't know on average how many people die in Chicago of it every year, but feel comfortable saying, at least one. Also, more than a handful pass out and are brought into the hospital for something related to the heat. When it is 90 degrees here, it feels a lot warmer, plus you have to add in the humidity.

You are incorrect in saying "the rest of the world doesn't succomb to heat exhaustion." Alabama has in fact.

Here is some facts showing deaths in 2012.

http://www.nws.noaa.gov/om/hazstats/heat12.pdf

 

[Elley Mae]

Saw the latest and came to see it is posted, Baffling to say the least. jmo idk

 

[vestigare]

Ten years ago 700 people died in Chicago of heat exhaustion, over FIVE days. I don't know on average how many people die in Chicago of it every year, but feel comfortable saying, at least one. Also, more than a handful pass out and are brought into the hospital for something related to the heat. When it is 90 degrees here, it feels a lot warmer, plus you have to add in the humidity.

You are incorrect in saying "the rest of the world doesn't succomb to heat exhaustion." Alabama has in fact.

Here is some facts showing deaths in 2012.

http://www.nws.noaa.gov/om/hazstats/heat12.pdf

This wasn't a heat wave where people are locked in there house out of fear of sleeping with the windows open etc.. These aren't elderly people. These aren't a dozen people out of hundreds of thousands during an ongoing heat event.

These are supposedly trained police officers in maybe 90 degree heat (the high was anywhere from 88-90 that day in Fox Lake), where they had access to water, shade, air conditioned automobiles, etc... and they had to be evacuated? That is nonsense. Joe probably did races in far higher temps and humidity. I am calling a spade a spade. Sorry if it hurts someone's feelings but the truth is when these sorts of manhunts happen there is an awful lot of workplace injuries that just seem to happen at much higher rates than any other time and it is often times fraudulent nonsense.

I imagine every beach patrol officer in America would love to get evacuated daily. Not to mention every K9 handler in the south or in war zones where the temp reaches above 90 and the humidity is above 90% for months on end every single day.

If anything whoever was in command on scene should be in serious trouble that even one person had to be evacuated. Because you are in charge of the safety of every person there and if someone is suffering from heat exhaustion you are not doing your duty. In the military that would find you with a possible court martial. You don't let your men get heat exhaustion.
I even question it was actual heat exhaustion or just someone not feeling good because they walked more than they usually do on a 90 degree day.

And then for the task force to start using this as some excuse is just disgusting and completely unprofessional.

 

[tcer114]

I wonder who the two sources are close to the investigation...seems like a steady leak. Wouldn't the task force refute these leaks if they weren't true?

 

[vestigare]

I wonder who the two sources are close to the investigation...seems like a steady leak. Wouldn't the task force refute these leaks if they weren't true?

The task force would be best to just stay away from any of the press for now. They don't help themselves anytime they open their mouth.
At this point I would hope they have hired an excellent PR firm.

 

[cady]

Possibly he went initially to the place where the canine stopped, shot the vest and then proceeded back toward the road to make the call, then went back in a ways and shot himself there. The residue scent trail would be sniffed either way, but the actual vest shot and residue trail BACK to the death scene. Just a thought, not a theory. JMO

 

[cady]

I wonder who the two sources are close to the investigation...seems like a steady leak. Wouldn't the task force refute these leaks if they weren't true?

I think that someone on the task force, or more, are leaking anonymously. JMO

 

[vestigare]

I think that someone on the task force, or more, are leaking anonymously. JMO

And they are doing it because they are tired of the run around and know this was suicide.
The longer they play this the worse this is going to look for the PD. I am sure those inside are not happy if they think this is a suicide and they aren't being honest with the people.

 

[Cubby]

Ten years ago 700 people died in Chicago of heat exhaustion, over FIVE days. I don't know on average how many people die in Chicago of it every year, but feel comfortable saying, at least one. Also, more than a handful pass out and are brought into the hospital for something related to the heat. When it is 90 degrees here, it feels a lot warmer, plus you have to add in the humidity.

You are incorrect in saying "the rest of the world doesn't succomb to heat exhaustion." Alabama has in fact.

Here is some facts showing deaths in 2012.

http://www.nws.noaa.gov/om/hazstats/heat12.pdf

It was 20 years ago in 1995 and it was a string of 100+ degree days.

 

[cady]

And they are doing it because they are tired of the run around and know this was suicide.
The longer they play this the worse this is going to look for the PD. I am sure those inside are not happy if they think this is a suicide and they aren't being honest with the people.

And an independent investigation could end a lot of careers. JMO

 

[Montjoy]

It was 20 years ago in 1995 and it was a string of 100+ degree days.

Yeah, I remember it well -- I was on the top floor of an 8-story brick apartment in Evanston. It wasn't pleasant outside, but when I got back home after classes, I'd be soaked in sweat within 3 minutes of being in my overpriced apartment.

Being outside wasn't the problem -- it was being inside a brick oven. Those who died were mainly elderly or less than healthy folks who died in their homes. It was incredibly sad, but I don't think it makes it plausible that investigators outside at Fox Lake should have been succumbing to heat exhaustion.

 

[cady]

Montjoy....my suspicious mind is tossing the idea that no one was exhausted, (despite LE saying that several people had to be evacuated), rather, the dog stopped at a terminal of the residue scent. It may have been the beginning of it as opposed to the end. JMO I don't think the dog tried to go further, which is why no other dog and handler took over. JMO

 

[Japple]

An artical I read said that as they were bringing in another handler, the dog lost the scent trail.

And unfortunatly, some of the officers around here aren't as fit as CG, and it's not suprising to me that more than 1 suffered from heat exhaustion. Especially while wearing full gear chasing after a dog through rough terrain. No telling how long he was out there before the dog picked up a trail.

I myself once had an episode of heat exhaustion. I was in my early 20's and in exelent shape. I was working construction and it was a day similar to the one in this discussion. From personal experiance, heat exhaustion is nothing to be taken lightly.

 

[cady]

An artical I read said that as they were bringing in another handler, the dog lost the scent trail.

And unfortunatly, some of the officers around here aren't as fit as CG, and it's not suprising to me that more than 1 suffered from heat exhaustion. Especially while wearing full gear chasing after a dog through rough terrain. No telling how long he was out there before the dog picked up a trail.

I myself once had an episode of heat exhaustion. I was in my early 20's and in exelent shape. I was working construction and it was a day similar to the one in this discussion. From personal experiance, heat exhaustion is nothing to be taken lightly.

I am thinking that the dog lost the scent trail because the scent trail went no further than BACK to the death scene. JMO

 

[Keefer]

Yes, I can see someone who was not properly hydrated rushing to the scene and trying to keep up with his dog Succumbing to the heat. Do k 9 officers carry salt tabs and water? Some here seem to have no love for the police and want to paint every part of this as an example of how dishonest and inept they are.

 

[Japple]

This article does't say anything about bringing in another handler, but it does say that the dog lost the scent rather than the police giving up on the trail.
http://patch.com/illinois/crystallake/k-9-tracks-gunshot-residue-14-mile-lt-gliniewiczs-gun

 

[vestigare]

An artical I read said that as they were bringing in another handler, the dog lost the scent trail.

And unfortunatly, some of the officers around here aren't as fit as CG, and it's not suprising to me that more than 1 suffered from heat exhaustion. Especially while wearing full gear chasing after a dog through rough terrain. No telling how long he was out there before the dog picked up a trail.

I myself once had an episode of heat exhaustion. I was in my early 20's and in exelent shape. I was working construction and it was a day similar to the one in this discussion. From personal experiance, heat exhaustion is nothing to be taken lightly.

Depending on what construction you were doin that is vastly different.

They were out there playing soldier and if they can't handle several hours in those conditions they shouldn't be getting a paycheck to do it. I am sorry but I am incredibly tired of the mantra that police do difficult work in extreme conditions and then we hear this excuse.

I walk my dogs in higher temps for longer times. And yes, heat exhaustion is serious and I doubt even one of the people walking a dog that day suffered from it unless they have a medical condition that would preclude then being a police officer.

How many of these officers managed a nice day at the beach under the same temps for their holiday weekend and how many were evacuated out.

I am just amazed at the level of incompetence on display with investigation and how the task force clearly thinks it is standard operating procedure.