IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #3

[vestigare]

I'm still struggling with the fact it took so long for the first officers on the scene to find him. Dispatch would have been calling him non stop at that point, why couldn't they hear the radio transmissions coming from his portable radio leading them immediately to him?

Excellent question. I hadn't thought about that. Didn't one of them ask dispatch to try his cell phone as well?

I figured he turned his cell phone off or it was destroyed by the vest shot.

Did he turn off his vest radio as well? And why would he do that when chasing suspects?

 

[cady]

I'm still struggling with the fact it took so long for the first officers on the scene to find him. Dispatch would have been calling him non stop at that point, why couldn't they hear the radio transmissions coming from his portable radio leading them immediately to him?

It must have been disabled or just turned off. ????

 

[Elley Mae]

I'm still struggling with the fact it took so long for the first officers on the scene to find him. Dispatch would have been calling him non stop at that point, why couldn't they hear the radio transmissions coming from his portable radio leading them immediately to him?

If reports are true that he was found face down in what is described as a swamp it's possibly his (mic)rophone was under him, and it probably would not have been heard unless very close. jmo idk

 

[vestigare]

If reports are true that he was found face down in what is described as a swamp it's possibly his (mic)rophone was under him, and it probably would not have been heard unless very close. jmo idk

They may have eventually found him by hearing as well....

 

[cady]

If reports are true that he was found face down in what is described as a swamp it's possibly his (mic)rophone was under him, and it probably would not have been heard unless very close. jmo idk

Wouldn't we have heard the shot(s) before he went face down?.....not we, but dispatch

 

[vestigare]

Wouldn't we have heard the shot(s) before he went face down?.....not we, but dispatch

Not all vest radios are constant open or on so the only time dispatch hears anything is when the officer hits the button to speak or in some cases turns on his vest recorder.

Dispatch probably don't have any recording of the shots and never heard them.

 

[cady]

Seems to me at least the killing shot had to happen immediately after his last transmission. If that is the case, a killer had to be within a few feet of him, if it was his gun that was shot. So while transmitting his last statement he was not aware of his surroundings? No time to shoot whoever was coming at him? JMO Also, the killer would have heard him agree to back-up being sent, so not a lot of time for a struggle for the gun.

 

[vestigare]

Seems to me at least the killing shot had to happen immediately after his last transmission. If that is the case, a killer had to be within a few feet of him, if it was his gun that was shot. So while transmitting his last statement he was not aware of his surroundings? No time to shoot whoever was coming at him? JMO

And if the suspect was close he would have heard backup was on the way and the PD is a mile away. That suspect was desperate.

 

[cady]

And if the suspect was close he would have heard backup was on the way and the PD is a mile away. That suspect was desperate.

Yup. I wonder if LE has tried to recreate the event, paying special attention to the timing. Lots of acrobatics involved, here. JMO Two could have had a head start, but not all 3.

 

[night train]

If it's 3 vs 1 cop it's fast and furious,over quickly, all 3 get an adequate head start.

Re: What Joe taught his explorers on when to aggressively pursue or wait for backup.

-->One has to learn the rules to be able to break them.

 

[cady]

This happened off the road. 4 people in a "fast and furious" struggle would have disturbed the ground growth. JMO

 

[cady]

Of course, we have no idea how many people stomped all over the crime scene before it was actually inspected for disturbance. JMO

 

[Elley Mae]

Of course, we have no idea how many people stomped all over the crime scene before it was actually inspected for disturbance. JMO

This too I have wondered about. I can imagine when they (arriving officers) first saw him laying there they did every thing they could to help and assist him. I am sure the area was polluted with foot prints and dna transfers. Not blaming them but I don't see the first one throwing his arms out and stopping all from touching Joe. jmo idk

 

[Elley Mae]

Investigators are comparing the DNA to a national database, he said. About 50 interviewed suspects have been swabbed for DNA, he said.

bbm I would think that of the 50 swabbed the arriving officers would be in that #. jmo idk

http://fox6now.com/2015/09/08/fox-l...-suspects-ongoing-fbi-sifts-through-evidence/

The lieutenant made the first call at 7:52 a.m. and called three minutes later to request backup. The backup units arrived at 8:01 and found their fellow officer dead, roughly 50 yards from his vehicle, at 8:09, Filenko said.

bbm 8 minutes to find him.

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

Just posting to compliment all of the great logical ideas being discussed about what happened to this man. It's respectful in here and I am really appreciative of all I am learning here. No matter what, Joe, you are missed.

 

[tcer114]

This happened off the road. 4 people in a "fast and furious" struggle would have disturbed the ground growth. JMO

Assuming two didn't take off and the third stayed behind, although undergrowth should still have been disturbed.

 

[DexterMorgan]

He denied backup at first. Then he said okay sure. He didn't call back once he got out of his car. So why get out your car and not say that you are now approaching subjects on foot. 3 to 1 and you deny back up at first?

Plus those 3 have been cleared. So i think he seen them on the way to commit suicide but quickly decided to play it off as a possible homicide or undetermined scenario. Jmo

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Was that the meeting specifically for CG's wife? JMO

I have no idea.
When I googled for updates on the case, the link came up and indicated "1 day ago". I didn't click on the link.

Maybe someone who has worked in LE knows how often the pension meetings are held.
From what we've heard, other people have recently retired too.

Earlier, Fox Lake cancelled the Village Meeting too.
My thought upon hearing about the cancellation was it seemed like a good time to come together to discuss and inform concerned village members. But, what do I know.
I'm not comfortable with authorities pulling in (hiding) though.
Gives off an icky feeling imo.

 

[Woe.be.gone]

Just looked it up. Yes, the Police Pension Board meeting that was scheduled for Sept.23, was to discuss Gliniewicz survivor benefits. It was canceled and will be rescheduled. JMO

Oh, thank you. So they hold a separate meeting per person?
Interesting.
Because, remember someone said Gliniewicz hadn't filed retirement papers yet.
Why would they have his pension meeting scheduled already when the case remains open?

 

[TheDuchess]

I'm not good at this on Tapatalk but here goes. I happen to be on Fox Lake tonight with my son for practice and decided to go over and take a few photos and have a look around. The first pic is of the fence where the squad was found looking up the gravel road. It now has a few barricades up. Interesting no blue ribbons. I expected something. The other photo however is looking from the other direction off Rollins Road. There were several blue ribbons on the gate. Perhaps because it is more visible and well traveled road.

My observations were that to see anything strange happening off of Rollins Road would be a stretch. It is a much larger piece of land than I pictured. That said there is plenty of room to pull up to the fence there as there is a bike path with several benches along the way, likely for busses? Whatever the case it is a wide open field and I would imagine if he saw something from that angle he would pull up and chase in the wide open and not circle all the way around. Also circling all the way around to Honing is a long trip around and he would have lost sight of any suspects doing that. So I don't think that is where he saw them.

Now with Honing wow...I passed it twice without seeing it. It is more like an alleyway than anything. No one would be going there just casually. First of you would need to exit off Rout 12 which is the main drag and make a few turns to get back there. It is extremely well hidden. I've taken some photos of the street leading up to it and it's pretty desolate. Lots of crappy old equipment stored. A bunch of old cars. To the left is the Precision factory which is quite a ways down. There is also a huge private drive sign for Precision Drive so I'm surprised it's actually a named road on the map.

I'm not sure what I expected to learn or tell anyone about my little adventure but just wanted to share.


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