IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #3

[vestigare]

Swear to the atmosphere, I always feel funny around a full moon. This time, it was yesterday more than today though.
Also my nose (sinus) works as a barometer!
This has been an acquired skill - lol!

I am so frustrated right now because I want to watch the eclipse but the horizon is obscured and my weather isn't cooperating.

 

[Montjoy]

As Chuz Life (thank you Chuz) so aptly already pointed out I had answered this in my original post.

No,it would not be money well spent.

It's not just that it's not money well spent, in my eyes. I think it's morally unfair that because someone is a LEO, he should be valued as if worth hundreds of times more than a civilian, with respect to the resources spent (without much reflection on the evidence, planning, or consideration) to a huge manhunt, DNA sampling and testing, etc. There were probably thousands of man-hours spent within the first few days.

 

[TheDuchess]

It's not just that it's not money well spent, in my eyes. I think it's morally unfair that because someone is a LEO, he should be valued as if worth hundreds of times more than a civilian, with respect to the resources spent (without much reflection on the evidence, planning, or consideration) to a huge manhunt, DNA sampling and testing, etc. There were probably thousands of man-hours spent within the first few days.

But it isn't that the life of a LEO is more important than a civilian's life, but rather what they represent. They represent protection of the community and enforcement of the laws governing a civil society. So many people see a attack or possible murder of a police officer as representative of an attack on all that we hold dear. We as Americans are capable of going about our daily lives, going to football games, movies, festivals, work, etc...feeling fairly safe in doing so. We "hire" people to keep us safe as a society so that we can enjoy those freedoms. We hire police, fire, first responders, military, etc..as the barrier between us and those who would wish to harm us and our families. Many people who consider themselves to be law abiding citizens simply trying to go about their lives, feel the most recent attacks on police, the BLM movement and just the general attack on the institution of LE as an attack on the fabric of our society, and ultimately, our own personal safety and peace of mind.

THIS is why many of us are OK with going the extra mile for a cop.

 

[TheDuchess]

What if someone he knew killed him for personal reasons (not LE)?
What if, what if, what if???????
Still, the chasing three people call would have to be addressed.
If true, he was there for 20 minutes though, what could this time spent at the scene mean?

Grrrrr, this case is so hinky.

I've been thinking about this for a while. Why the 20 minutes at the scene? Well, it doesn't NECESSARILY mean anything nefarious. Perhaps he went there before his shift to think, to walk, to smoke, etc..if he was running ahead of schedule, etc... I do that a lot. Find a place a little remote to have a sandwich or whatever just for a little privacy. He could have been there for a while just hanging out when he noticed the 3?

 

[KristinSchmistin]

But it isn't that the life of a LEO is more important than a civilian's life, but rather what they represent. They represent protection of the community and enforcement of the laws governing a civil society. So many people see a attack or possible murder of a police officer as representative of an attack on all that we hold dear. We as Americans are capable of going about our daily lives, going to football games, movies, festivals, work, etc...feeling fairly safe in doing so. We "hire" people to keep us safe as a society so that we can enjoy those freedoms. We hire police, fire, first responders, military, etc..as the barrier between us and those who would wish to harm us and our families. Many people who consider themselves to be law abiding citizens simply trying to go about their lives, feel the most recent attacks on police, the BLM movement and just the general attack on the institution of LE as an attack on the fabric of our society, and ultimately, our own personal safety and peace of mind.

THIS is why many of us are OK with going the extra mile for a cop.

: slow clap :

Well said!

I'll just add my personal perspective- I can't tell you how many Christmases we've had to go without my husband because he's at work. And has always done so without griping about it. Of course we want him there and it stinks but he cares so much about his job- takes it so seriously- he shrugs it off with a simple "this is what I signed up for, and we have unlimited Christmases all to ourselves when I retire." (Just one small aspect of a sacrifice he willingly gives to serve our community)


Sent from my not so humble opinion.

 

[KristinSchmistin]

Had to look up the case mentioned above (Melissa Calusinski) and found this:

“Rudd found evidence of an earlier brain injury that the pathologist at autopsy, Dr. Choi, overlooked. After being confronted with the discrepancy, Dr. Choi admitted in an affidavit that he made an error, but later said it would not have changed his testimony at trial.

And then last month, a true bombshell! An anonymous caller told Melissa's father that X-rays existed that had never been seen at trial. Dr. Rudd asked his office to scour the files and to his shock, the X-rays were there.

Those images, taken at the child's autopsy more than six years ago and before Dr. Rudd became the county coroner, appear to show no skull fracture at all. Instead, according to Dr. Rudd, the "new" evidence confirms that Ben Kingan suffered a head injury weeks before Melissa came to work at the daycare center.

These X-rays, says Dr. Rudd, now make it impossible for him to be sure that the child's death was intentional. So, last week, he took the highly unusual step of changing the manner of Ben Kingan's death from "homicide" to "undetermined."”​

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/is-a-caregiver-in-prison-for-a-murder-that-never-happened/

Rudd seems to be the one that figured out something 'didn't fit' in that case. Since he has yet to come to a conclusion in this case, it seems fitting to simply wait. He doesn't seem unscrupulous to me.

This is why I think he is a very very good ME. I've been following Melissa's case closely. They are actually set to hear arguments from her lawyer about this very soon- it may have happened in the past week- for some reason this week sticks in my memory...


Sent from my not so humble opinion.

 

[vestigare]

It's not just that it's not money well spent, in my eyes. I think it's morally unfair that because someone is a LEO, he should be valued as if worth hundreds of times more than a civilian, with respect to the resources spent (without much reflection on the evidence, planning, or consideration) to a huge manhunt, DNA sampling and testing, etc. There were probably thousands of man-hours spent within the first few days.

It is disgusting the money and time spent simoly because he was police and you are correct it is immoral. More people should realize this. I try....

 

[vestigare]

But it isn't that the life of a LEO is more important than a civilian's life, but rather what they represent. They represent protection of the community and enforcement of the laws governing a civil society. So many people see a attack or possible murder of a police officer as representative of an attack on all that we hold dear. We as Americans are capable of going about our daily lives, going to football games, movies, festivals, work, etc...feeling fairly safe in doing so. We "hire" people to keep us safe as a society so that we can enjoy those freedoms. We hire police, fire, first responders, military, etc..as the barrier between us and those who would wish to harm us and our families. Many people who consider themselves to be law abiding citizens simply trying to go about their lives, feel the most recent attacks on police, the BLM movement and just the general attack on the institution of LE as an attack on the fabric of our society, and ultimately, our own personal safety and peace of mind.

THIS is why many of us are OK with going the extra mile for a cop.

Police do not represent protection. In fact the supreme court ruled they have no duty to protect you (Castle Rock v. Gonzales).

The police are hired, trained and paid by The People. They represent a job just like millions of other jobs that make your life better and safer. Police are our servants and they have the same obligations and rights as everyone else. They are not special. The United States recognizes no special groups and only grants rights to the individual therefore no one should receive special treatment when public funds are being utilized to provide that special treatment.

If you want to hold police to some special, higher pedestal then you may do so. You can start a charity that isn't publicly funded to pay for special private investigations when a police officer is hurt or killed. I do not accept the use of my money (taxes) being used in wasteful and expanded ways.

I consider it to be a form of unwarranted "hero worship", theft, corruption and immoral and unethical.

The propaganda that there is an attack on police is just that- propaganda. No more police have been killed this year than last year or the year before and assaults on LE are at all time lows.

 

[Chuz Life]

But it isn't that the life of a LEO is more important than a civilian's life, but rather what they represent. They represent protection of the community and enforcement of the laws governing a civil society. So many people see a attack or possible murder of a police officer as representative of an attack on all that we hold dear. We as Americans are capable of going about our daily lives, going to football games, movies, festivals, work, etc...feeling fairly safe in doing so. We "hire" people to keep us safe as a society so that we can enjoy those freedoms. We hire police, fire, first responders, military, etc..as the barrier between us and those who would wish to harm us and our families. Many people who consider themselves to be law abiding citizens simply trying to go about their lives, feel the most recent attacks on police, the BLM movement and just the general attack on the institution of LE as an attack on the fabric of our society, and ultimately, our own personal safety and peace of mind.

THIS is why many of us are OK with going the extra mile for a cop.

I too am willing to go the extra mile or two out of respect for law enforcement. However, that comes with the expectation of total honesty, responsibility and even transparency on their part. It's not a blank check to allow them time for chasing ghosts or for them to ignore obvious indications that many in here (and in the msm) are already reading between the lines.

 

[vestigare]

: slow clap :

Well said!

I'll just add my personal perspective- I can't tell you how many Christmases we've had to go without my husband because he's at work. And has always done so without griping about it. Of course we want him there and it stinks but he cares so much about his job- takes it so seriously- he shrugs it off with a simple "this is what I signed up for, and we have unlimited Christmases all to ourselves when I retire." (Just one small aspect of a sacrifice he willingly gives to serve our community)


Sent from my not so humble opinion.

Your husband is just like millions of other Non LEO who work holidays. I would imgaine he also receives some special compensation for working a holiday such as extra pay or days in lieu.

He does it for a paycheck. Would he be willing to do it without?

 

[Japple]

Lake county, IL does have issues with spending. Aprox 3/4 of my taxes go to the public schools. I do believe in providing quality education for our youth, but the spending on schools here is what is out of controll. That's not my point though. My point is that a very small portion of my taxes go to law inforcement. When it's all said and done, this whole investigation will probably cost me, as a tax payer, about the same amount of money as a case of beer. Which I'm more than glad to pay if it provides public safety. JMO

That said, I also do believe the manhunt was a bit over the top. I don't think it was planned that way, but snowballed into it's own monster. That's not a regular occurring event around here, so I'm OK with that. I hope LE from accross the nation studies it and learns from any mistakes that may or not have been made. I also believe that had they made arrests that day, everyone involved with the search would have been cheered for going to the lengths they did to catch dangerous criminals.

 

[Montjoy]

That said, I also do believe the manhunt was a bit over the top. I don't think it was planned that way, but snowballed into it's own monster.

rsbm --

I agree with you here. I don't think it was really planned much at all. But my problem is that it snowballed because of favoritism and preferential treatment of LEOs. We don't pay them to use their resources as their personal preferences dictate. It's unprofessional and unfair.

 

[cady]

I thought that today would be a good day for the truth to emerge..........seriously, what's the delay? JMO

 

[Montjoy]

Vestigare,


As happens with all authority and power, it eventually is abused or misused. In the case of Lt. G, I think that those involved were well intentioned from the start but the overall operation grew disproportionately large and out of control due to egos and mismanagement.

I would agree with this, but also add that the operation also grew out of a sense of entitlement, in which a perceived crime against a LEO (and there may not have even been one here!) is used to justify an almost unlimited expenditure of resources.

 

[vestigare]

I would agree with this, but also add that the operation also grew out of a sense of entitlement, in which a perceived crime against a LEO (and there may not have even been one here!) is used to justify an almost unlimited expenditure of resources.

Exactly. And they are still expending money. Even another poster commented on how long she has waited to get dna to CODIS and this case was there in a matter of a couple of weeks.

 

[Sillybilly]

Remember Lt. Charles Gliniewicz ?? That's who this thread is about. It's not about government corruption, the Pope, bickering and personalizing.

Post have been removed and more will likely go as time permits. Any more excessive off-topic posts and some may find themselves watching from the sidelines for a while.

STAY ON TOPIC !!

 

[cady]

Has ANYONE seen ANY update on this investigation? The last one I saw, was from Sept. 25th.JMO

 

[leah]

Has ANYONE seen ANY update on this investigation? The last one I saw, was from Sept. 25th.JMO

Nothing at all

 

[vestigare]

Has ANYONE seen ANY update on this investigation? The last one I saw, was from Sept. 25th.JMO

None at all except a fund raiser over the weekend.

 

[Tillicum]

Since it seems pretty clear that Rudd won't let LE influence his decision, I wonder what it is that is keeping him from ruling out a homicide if it really is a suicide.