IL - Lt. Charles 'Joe' Gliniewicz, 52, found dead, Fox Lake, 1 Sep 2015 - #3

[vestigare]

His Obituary says Bachelors and Masters degrees from Kaplan univ. JMO

I was talking more about Filenko and the other s doing the investigation. Not that Kaplan has had very good news of late and even their accreditation system has come under fire.

I also suspect he needed a degree to achieve rank in the military. At a certain point they will drum you out if you don't get an education.

 

[vestigare]

A: We are still looking at this as a homicide. As far as the classification? Ultimately, it will be the coroner's decision.

Translation: Don't blame me when it is listed as suicide cuz it ain't got nuthin to do with me.

 

[tcer114]

Has this been leaked somewhere this evening or in an article?

Re: DNA swab? It was on CBS news last night.

 

[Cubby]

A: We are still looking at this as a homicide. As far as the classification? Ultimately, it will be the coroner's decision.

Translation: Don't blame me when it is listed as suicide cuz it ain't got nuthin to do with me.

I agree. We already saw this coming though with the finger pointing at Rudd early on.

 

[vestigare]

At least they are admitting that DNA end up every where.
We now have three CODIS? Or is he saying three of the same DNA?

So this area is known for hunting so do there was probably DNA and trails all over.
I think it was PR to say Bow Hunting because that probably means the scent trail was gun powder and he is trying to claim there would be no fresh scent for that because it is all bow hunting....

 

[Tillicum]

At least they are admitting that DNA end up every where.
We now have three CODIS? Or is he saying three of the same DNA?

So this area is known for hunting so do there was probably DNA and trails all over.
I think it was PR to say Bow Hunting because that probably means the scent trail was gun powder and he is trying to claim there would be no fresh scent for that because it is all bow hunting....

You have to have a much clearer area for bow hunting than gun to shoot through.

 

[Cubby]

I know nothing about hunting. How does one bow hunt in an area so heavily wooded/overgrowth that one must use a machete to cut down the growth?

Can any locals chime in on what they know about hunting in the immediate area of the former cement plant?

 

[Tillicum]

I know nothing about hunting. How does one bow hunt in an area so heavily wooded/overgrowth that one must use a machete to cut down the growth?

Can any locals chime in on what they know about hunting in the immediate area of the former cement plant?

I'm not familiar with that area but many bow hunters hunt from a tree stand over head. Some just take tree steps and set up on a branch and remove the steps when they come down. Normally they scout the area before they hunt and clear an area to shoot through, whether on the ground or from a tree. A bow hunter has to know the area better than a gun hunter would have to IMO.

 

[Tillicum]

Bow season starts today in Lake county. https://www.dnr.illinois.gov/hunting/Documents/ArcheryDeerHuntingInformation.pdf

 

[Cubby]

With Bow hunting season starting today, wth would Filenko consider or mention it in relation to this case? They're playing a shell game.

I can't copy and paste well on the tablet, but as for the 9 unidentified dna transfer samples Filenko even admitted the could be from tne day before. Seriously, he coud have picked them up anywhere and there is nothing to tie the samples to the crime. They could have come from anyone at the mayors office the day before. Where he stopped for coffee, or gas, or the grocery store....

:furious:

 

[Chuz Life]

I still find it hard to believe that nobody heard gunshots that morning. There had to be someone less than a 1/2 mile in any direction that would have heard something. The time between the shots could lead direction between suicide and murder. If they were rapid, within a couple seconds from each other, how did one casing end up 100 feet away? And was it found along the GR trail?

I have read comments from others here that said backup units did hear at least one shot as they arrived.

"Responding officers said they heard a gunshot before they discovered the officer's body. "

Trained officers, called in for backup, heard a gunshot and still did not see or detect anyone fleeing the vicinity.

This was one of the early indicators of a possible suicide - for me.

 

[TheDuchess]

I have read comments from others here that said backup units did hear at least one shot as they arrived.

"Responding officers said they heard a gunshot before they discovered the officer's body. "

Trained officers, called in for backup, heard a gunshot and still did not see or detect anyone fleeing the vicinity.

This was one of the early indicators of a possible suicide - for me.

Also from that particular article:

"The officer, who has not been identified but was a 32-year veteran with the force, pulled over a car with "three suspicious subjects" at just before 8 a.m., Fox News reports.

It's unclear what happened next, but the officer was chasing the three suspects on foot when he radioed in for backup, according to CBS Chicago.

Police eventually lost contact with the officer, who was later found in a marshy area with a gunshot wound, the Associated Press reports. Responding officers said they heard a gunshot before they discovered the officer's body.

There are unconfirmed reports that the suspects may have taken the officer's gun and pepper spray. People in the community are being warned to stay inside and several local schools have been locked down because of the manhunt."

BBM

 

[TheDuchess]

So hearing what Filenko has to say this morning, it would appear as though there is no particular reason the makeshift memorial was removed?

 

[Tillicum]

Anyone have a live link for the press conference? TIA

 

[Walker007]

Anyone have a live link for the press conference? TIA

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/live-video-129648223.html

 

[KristinSchmistin]

Journals Police Quarterly and Criminal Justice and Behavior

A 2015 study from the University of Michigan found that only 45% of recent recruits in major police departments had a degree and most departments do not require a degree. The percentage is even less in smaller departments.

They also found that those with a degree have a higher rate of on the job dissatisfaction and tend to leave at higher rates so many times departments are not keen to hire those with a degree.

They also found that those with a degree in Criminal Justice do not receive the analytical skills found in other degrees but this is the overwhelming degree most police receive after becoming a cop. They also found the old school investigative techniques do not work well with newer analytical skills taught in social and science degrees and many with these degrees find it frustrating to work with the older policemen.

They also found that college grads tend to be less likely to use force while on the job.

If you look at the LinkedIn pages for these officers you can get a good idea of their education. If you listen to them speak.....even more so.

And remember just because a job advert says a degrees is required didn't mean a person is always hired who has a degree.

We also have a great degree of higher management who do not have degrees because that wasn't the standard twenty or thirty years ago.

And having been military should in no way be a requirement for law enforcement. Those are two totally different disciplines. Even military LE is not the same as civilian LE.

It is especially helpful to have personnel with advanced weapon training (read: snipers, weapons specialists, yada yada) to train other officers, run clinics, and help with tactical units. Even more so if you're an experienced K9 handler with military experience.

Your opinion is that it should not be a factor. The reality is that it can sometimes be very valuable. On the job experience is always helpful when it requires a very specialized skill set.

 

[TheDuchess]

Indications of a struggle
Shot with his own weapon
one shot entered right side front of vest - severe enough to incapacitate - sledgehammer hitting you in the side
2nd shot upper left chest region
GSR - no control over timeliness - report conculsions verbatim - lt glienewicz - discharged the firearm or both hands within the range of the item - inconclusive - weapon could have been fired by him or close proximity of weapon being fired

 

[TheDuchess]

I hope someone asks him if it might be possible that the vest was removed, shot, then put back on.

 

[Skel]

It appears to me that recently someone was working in the fenced off area of this location. My guess would be Superior Paving as the equipment that I can make out looks very similar to the equipment in their lot, right before the gate.

As you can see in these images (one from May and the other June of this year), there were some "concrete blocks" that were located very close to where LT GC was found. The May image has them, by it appears they were moved by the time the June image was taken. Could the workers moving them at that time discarded coffee cups or any other items while they were there? Would DNA samples have been taken from any employees from the company responsible for any work done in this area?

 

[TheDuchess]

Confirmed 20 minutes ahead of the call. Parked in that area. He was on foot for about 20 minutes or so. Footprints are pretty much impossible to see in that area.